The 1:1 vs. 4:5 results thread

[Yellowbeard]

Originally posted by: Hyperlite

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard

Originally posted by: n7 primary reason for the better voltage handling is the Dominator heat spreaders. They work REALLY well.

passive ram heatspreaders work now? :shocked:

Of course, atleast ours do!

 

[cmdrdredd]

They only really do anything with the airflow fan system. Otherwise they function the same as any generic heatspreader out there.

The only exception is cell shock memory that uses actual thermal paste between a heatsink-like material (not really a heatspreader).

 

[Yellowbeard]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
They only really do anything with the airflow fan system. Otherwise they function the same as any generic heatspreader out there.
(not really a heatspreader).

Uhmmm...not according to a study by Micron and our own testing.

The innovative first path is through the leads of the BGA chips into the printed circuit board (PCB). When BGA devices are soldered on to a memory module, an all-metal thermal path is created from the surface of the RAM to the copper ground plane of the PCB. This thermal path provides very efficient heat removal. In fact, a study by Micron Semiconductor (application note TN-00-08) indicated that well over half of the heat generated by a memory module is removed in this manner.

DHX INFO

DHX Testing

But, thanks for your input.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
They only really do anything with the airflow fan system. Otherwise they function the same as any generic heatspreader out there.
(not really a heatspreader).

Uhmmm...not according to a study by Micron and our own testing.

The innovative first path is through the leads of the BGA chips into the printed circuit board (PCB). When BGA devices are soldered on to a memory module, an all-metal thermal path is created from the surface of the RAM to the copper ground plane of the PCB. This thermal path provides very efficient heat removal. In fact, a study by Micron Semiconductor (application note TN-00-08) indicated that well over half of the heat generated by a memory module is removed in this manner.

DHX INFO

DHX Testing

But, thanks for your input.

I know you're trying to sell people on your marketing. I have read that PDF before. I still say it's marketing and yes I have actually used the memory with and without a fan and tested high voltages and heat output vs a normal heatspreader. The difference was so very minor at best. Average of 2c without a fan and 5-6c with. This is ok, but far from the revolution the PDF makes it out to be.

If it was anything but marketing you would be able to explain to me how this actually improves the life of the memory when OCZ provides a lifetime warranty on the Titanium Alpha VX2 at 2.4v without any fan (and no fancy marketing heatspreader). They use the same heatspreader that is on all their kits except it's got the funky colors.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Well, once again you provide no documentation to your claims so, why would I care to try to explain anything to you? And of course, I feel no compulsion to explain to you or anyone else why OCZ does what they do as I don't work for them. And, as a professional I don't speak ill of other companies. If you want to dispute the claims made, you need to debate it with Micron and our development lab, not me.

Did you ever find those OTHER links I asked you for? You are falling behind.

Hmm....what is that sound?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Well, once again you provide no documentation to your claims so, why would I care to try to explain anything to you? And of course, I feel no compulsion to explain to you or anyone else why OCZ does what they do as I don't work for them. And, as a professional I don't speak ill of other companies. If you want to dispute the claims made, you need to debate it with Micron and our development lab, not me.

Did you ever find those OTHER links I asked you for? You are falling behind.

Hmm....what is that sound?

It's the sound of you avoiding the question.

The fasct is it is nothing but hype. You can't sell me on it. Other companies warranty 2.4v with normal heatspreaders.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Actually, you did not ask a question so the sound is becoming a distinct yapping sound.

 

[n7]

I made this thread for comparing results, not BS :frown:

Keep this crap outta here please & thanx.

 

[lopri]

I didn't read the PDF thoroughly, but what is the (hypothetical) definition of "No Air-Flow" in that chart? I'm having a hard time believing in the heat spreader itself made a 13C difference without any air flow. (thinking of water cooling here) What's more confusing is that adding fans further contributed to a 'mere' 4C difference. I am assuming some kind of air flow from CPU/case fans are involved, which could potentially explain the relatively small effect of the additional fans. Depending on what kind of CPU cooling is employed, the addtional fans for the memory could disrupt a 'normal' air flow, too.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Originally posted by: n7
I made this thread for comparing results, not BS :frown:

Yeah, that was my thought too. :roll:

I have just set up a DFI 975 X/G to test some 4 x 1gb OCing. I'll include some 1:1 vs 4:5 also when I get it stable and find the max OC on my 6300. Initially, it looks like my CPU is going to be capped at 400fsb by the bios but, that's plenty fast to compare what you are looking at.

I didn't read the PDF thoroughly, but what is the (hypothetical) definition of "No Air-Flow" in that chart?

I'm guessing they intended to stress that the Dominator fan was not used and that all testing was done at ambient. I can ask the lab if you care to know for sure.

 

[n7]

Guys, please go right ahead & make another thread for arguing about Corsair's magical heatspreaders.
Don't worry, i'll join in
Just not here please.

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
I have just set up a DFI 975 X/G to test some 4 x 1gb OCing. I'll include some 1:1 vs 4:5 also when I get it stable and find the max OC on my 6300. Initially, it looks like my CPU is going to be capped at 400fsb by the bios but, that's plenty fast to compare what you are looking at.

Thankyou, i had given up hope on seeing 975X real world results.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
They only really do anything with the airflow fan system. Otherwise they function the same as any generic heatspreader out there.
(not really a heatspreader).

Uhmmm...not according to a study by Micron and our own testing.

The innovative first path is through the leads of the BGA chips into the printed circuit board (PCB). When BGA devices are soldered on to a memory module, an all-metal thermal path is created from the surface of the RAM to the copper ground plane of the PCB. This thermal path provides very efficient heat removal. In fact, a study by Micron Semiconductor (application note TN-00-08) indicated that well over half of the heat generated by a memory module is removed in this manner.

DHX INFO

DHX Testing

But, thanks for your input.

Hmmmm.... in this post you reference Micron ... yet you provide no tangible supporting documentation or evidence of such a study outside of your internal one.

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Well, once again you provide no documentation to your claims so, why would I care to try to explain anything to you? And of course, I feel no compulsion to explain to you or anyone else why OCZ does what they do as I don't work for them. And, as a professional I don't speak ill of other companies. If you want to dispute the claims made, you need to debate it with Micron and our development lab, not me.

Did you ever find those OTHER links I asked you for? You are falling behind.

Hmm....what is that sound?

While you have demonstrated a need to badger others you have not backed up some of your claims either, and then you have dragged Micron into the argument without showing any supporting documentation to support that claim, and yet you badger others in what was a peaceful and productive thread.

If you are truly acting in a professional manner in this thread first back-up what you say, by showing that link to Micron?s study.

Then demonstrate your professionalism by not thread crapping on what was a peaceful and productive thread.

By this behavior you fall to the level of the above mentioned competitor within your post.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Mr. Fox, I appreciate some of your input here as it was polite and professional. I have tried to handle several issues here via PMs but it has done no good. If you have any other direct or personal input for me relating to anything other than 1:1 vs 4:5 results, could you please do it in a PM? Most of the content of your post is the very essence of what you are asking me not to do.

If anyone is genuinely interested in the information about Dominator heat spreaders, just start a thread and let me know. I'll get the info from our dev guys. But, let's please pursue it elsewhere as requested. And, if you are here to hassle me just because I work for Corsair, please don't.

N7, I'll fire the DFI up a bit later. Sorry for eating up more of your electrons here.

EDIT: Nevermind, I started a thread myself so we can keep this thread on topic. It was diverging LONG before I joined in.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=50&threadid=1978355&enterthread=y

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard

If anyone is genuinely interested in the information about Dominator heat spreaders, just start a thread and let me know. I'll get the info from our dev guys. But, let's please pursue it elsewhere as requested. And, if you are here to hassle me just because I work for Corsair, please don't.

N7, I'll fire the DFI up a bit later. Sorry for eating up more of your electrons here.

Your wish is granted :

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1978356&enterthread=y

 

[markymoo]

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Years ago, I made an amazing discovery. I found that there were actually people posting on the internet that had opinions I did not agree with. Soon after, I made another amazing discovery. Chasing them around yapping at them like a chihuahua was pointless and proved nothing. Incredibly, the discoveries kept coming. I discovered that in many cases, even if I proved intellectually that some of said people were wrong, they refused to admit it. You know the type, earth is flat kinda people. But wait, there's more and I'm not just talking free steak knives! Perhaps the most amazing discoveries of all were that pointlessly debating people on the internet violated one of the many tenets taught by Confuscious; never argue with a fool, listeners cannot tell which is which. And finally, the truth was revealed to me. There were OTHER places on the internet I could go when I met one of those opinionated people I could not stomach. I could simply avoid their threads and find peace at last. That is, unless they continually came behind me yapping at my heels like a chihuahua...:beer:

lol

 

[n7]

Added more results to OP.

975X is indeed faster @ 4:5 than 1:1, just as expected.