<< Put together a box with nothing but the bare minimum of components, and see if that works.
Then start adding stuff, and see when it crashes.
>>
Thats exactly what I said, unless Spook does this, he can't easily find the problem!
Unfortunately the reboots are so intermittant... Sometimes going days without a problem...
One of the problems I've nailed down is the Roger Wilco problem... Only thing is, that I have to get 5 or 6 people on there before it reboots... and it means I need my Sound card, and NIC...
So, minimizing doesn't work to well, I am at the lowest amount of part to induce the problem.... NIC, Sound, Video, and 1 stick of ram...
One of the problems I've nailed down is the Roger Wilco problem... Only thing is, that I have to get 5 or 6 people on there before it reboots... and it means I need my Sound card, and NIC...
So, minimizing doesn't work to well, I am at the lowest amount of part to induce the problem.... NIC, Sound, Video, and 1 stick of ram...
i think the problem is via not amd. i have little faith that suddenly they will turn out non-buggy stuff, and that by coincidence their first consistently stable, low compatibility issues product just happens to be the one they are selling to us now.
Like somebody mentioned earlier. Just go buy your p4 crap and stop posting 
I have a 1.2AXIA @ 1.33ghz default voltage. 512mb ram, runs perfectly and always has... there have been times wher ei've needed to upgrade drivers and stuff but it is worth it for the speed.
I have a 1.2AXIA @ 1.33ghz default voltage. 512mb ram, runs perfectly and always has... there have been times wher ei've needed to upgrade drivers and stuff but it is worth it for the speed.
My system restarts by it self a lot also. I'm thinking its my motherboard or possible the powersupply.
ECS K7S5A
AMD Thunderbird 1.4ghz 266mhz FSB
256 Corsair 2100 DDR Ram
Westerndigital 30gb 7200 RPM Harddrive
Enermax 350 Watt Powersupply
ASUS Geforce3 Ti-500 Deluxe
Soundblaster Live 5.1 X-Gamer
Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32a
TORiSAN 3 Cd Disc Changer
Floppy (like the name matters)
ECS K7S5A
AMD Thunderbird 1.4ghz 266mhz FSB
256 Corsair 2100 DDR Ram
Westerndigital 30gb 7200 RPM Harddrive
Enermax 350 Watt Powersupply
ASUS Geforce3 Ti-500 Deluxe
Soundblaster Live 5.1 X-Gamer
Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32a
TORiSAN 3 Cd Disc Changer
Floppy (like the name matters)
Everybody thinks power supply is the answer, you know what, you're wrong. No matter how large a power supply is, it will make your cpu reboot if the power going into it isn't steady. I have this problem here, my cpu used to reboot all the time (non VIA), I put in a over powered psu, no change. I got a line interactive UPS, no more reboots. When you start stressing the system, and you need a stable power flow.
<< MSI K7T266 Pro2 >>
Have you tried updating the bios? If you have 3 different setups, but all sharing the same brand motherboard, and they exhibit exactly the same problem, I REALLY tend to doubt its AMD or VIA's fault. When others using the EXACT same Via chipset and AMD proccessor do not have this problem.
It MUST be an MSI problem, so flame them, not via and amd.
AAO,
I have to agree with that Idea.... I'm going to try looking at power later on tonight, and see if that maybe one of my issues... It is possible...
I have to agree with that Idea.... I'm going to try looking at power later on tonight, and see if that maybe one of my issues... It is possible...
Didn't the Enermax 431W PS have some problems maintaining voltage on the 5v rail? Might wanna look into that.
Again spook, have you tried updating the bios? This really sounds to me like a bios related problem, especially if you purchased these boards at the same time, since they would all come with the same bios revision. MSI is known for releasing products months ahead of other manufacturers, and in the past, their haste to release products quickly has led to repeated issues with their early bios revisions.
That's it, AMD/VIA are history.... enough is enough
Maybe you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that it's automatically a VIA chipset problem. Hell, if Dell is confident enough to use a VIA chipset in their servers, then maybe you might consider the possibility that it's a non-VIA related issue.
As to your problem, it could be any number of things, however I'd guess it's a software and not a hardware issue. What OS are you running on your Server, Gaming Rig, and on your Wife's Rig. What version BIOS do you have for your MSI K7T266 Pro2 boards?
Maybe you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that it's automatically a VIA chipset problem. Hell, if Dell is confident enough to use a VIA chipset in their servers, then maybe you might consider the possibility that it's a non-VIA related issue.
As to your problem, it could be any number of things, however I'd guess it's a software and not a hardware issue. What OS are you running on your Server, Gaming Rig, and on your Wife's Rig. What version BIOS do you have for your MSI K7T266 Pro2 boards?
Spook wrote:
"I'm fed up with VIA and AMD..."
You've got to separate the two. Let me reiterate, of course, what I've said for several years now: VIA has turned off many an AMD user, forcing them in to spending more for less with Intel. It's a damn shame. But people continue to throw their hard-earned dollars at VIA-chipset based boards. In fact, Intel users do the same. Hoping to save a few bucks. They always end up regretting it at some point.
Now, I'm known as the "Resident VIA-Hater" around here. I've preached the "avoid VIA at all costs" mantra for years now. But few will listen. They see a few points in benchmarks and spring for it. What they give up is stability, reliability, and even compatibility. Each and every VIA-chipset based board I've owned or worked with has been the root cause of an untold amount of issues, including (but certainly not limited to):
That's by no means all-inclusive, and not every VIA chipset suffers from all of those issues. It's usually only one or two, but some chipsets (KT133A, 686B) are worse than others.
VIA fans will, of course, denounce it all as Microsoft issues, or, in the case of the SB! Live phenomena, "Creative issues". We know that isn't the case, but there's little point in arguing with these people. They have made their purchase and set their mind, and that's it. Which is fine. But I always get a kick out of these types who continue to deny the issues which plague VIA-chipset based boards. They're quite real, and for many a frustrated user have caused countless hours of downtime and lost productivity. AMD would do well to separate themselves completely from VIA.
So here's someone who understands your frustration. I'd highly recommend finding a new mainboard. You can get the SiS 735-based ECS K7S5A for a measly $55-$60 most anywhere. It offers neck-and-neck performance to KT266A, blazing IDE performance, 1.2GB/s of bandwidth (as opposed to the 266MB/s of VIA's V-Link), a cool-running single-chip solution, and best of all -- it frees you from the nightmares of 4-in-1 "fix" packs, BIOS updates to resolve VIA-related issues, VIA "drivers", and the endless headaches.
"I'm fed up with VIA and AMD..."
You've got to separate the two. Let me reiterate, of course, what I've said for several years now: VIA has turned off many an AMD user, forcing them in to spending more for less with Intel. It's a damn shame. But people continue to throw their hard-earned dollars at VIA-chipset based boards. In fact, Intel users do the same. Hoping to save a few bucks. They always end up regretting it at some point.
Now, I'm known as the "Resident VIA-Hater" around here. I've preached the "avoid VIA at all costs" mantra for years now. But few will listen. They see a few points in benchmarks and spring for it. What they give up is stability, reliability, and even compatibility. Each and every VIA-chipset based board I've owned or worked with has been the root cause of an untold amount of issues, including (but certainly not limited to):
- Low IDE performance
- IRQ difficulties, particularly with sound devices and SCSI controllers
- USB difficulties
- Data Corruption
- Incompatibility with certain hardware -- SB! Live/Audigy being at the top of the list.
- PCI Latency / Timing issues
That's by no means all-inclusive, and not every VIA chipset suffers from all of those issues. It's usually only one or two, but some chipsets (KT133A, 686B) are worse than others.
VIA fans will, of course, denounce it all as Microsoft issues, or, in the case of the SB! Live phenomena, "Creative issues". We know that isn't the case, but there's little point in arguing with these people. They have made their purchase and set their mind, and that's it. Which is fine. But I always get a kick out of these types who continue to deny the issues which plague VIA-chipset based boards. They're quite real, and for many a frustrated user have caused countless hours of downtime and lost productivity. AMD would do well to separate themselves completely from VIA.
So here's someone who understands your frustration. I'd highly recommend finding a new mainboard. You can get the SiS 735-based ECS K7S5A for a measly $55-$60 most anywhere. It offers neck-and-neck performance to KT266A, blazing IDE performance, 1.2GB/s of bandwidth (as opposed to the 266MB/s of VIA's V-Link), a cool-running single-chip solution, and best of all -- it frees you from the nightmares of 4-in-1 "fix" packs, BIOS updates to resolve VIA-related issues, VIA "drivers", and the endless headaches.
if it were me, I would bite the bullet and spend $169 for PCPowerandCooling 400W power supply - which
actually puts out a full 300W under load - more than any other in its class.
spontaneous reboots (if its not an inherent bios issue) usually means something too hot (but at 36 deg. -
not your case), loose or bad cables, card prevented by case geometry from seating all the way, board short-
ing out or not grounding to case, or something not getting enough juice. Since you're using a Maxtor, this
eliminates the associated Nvidia probs. You might also try a UPS for box, your house power might be flakey.
Intel makes the best chipsets period. There is none better! That is why I am sticking with Intel!
I think most of the major chipset companies are capable of producing good chipsets. SiS seems to be doing well with their 735. ALi, though not the highest performing chipset, seems to make ones that are at least reliable. Intel obviously knows what they are doing. AMD has proven themselves worthy with the AMD760 chipset. Don't rule out VIA though, just because they have had problems here and there, so has everyone. If you setup your system correctly, there should be no problems with a VIA chipset. I have used 2 mobo's based on VIA chipsets, neither has caused me problems at all. Both have been rock solid. The KT266A seems to be pretty exceptional. Don't turn away from this company just because there are a few zelous anti-VIA forum members here.
Most people that use AMD haven't known chipsets long enough to know the history. ALi, and SiS have been around a long time, and believe me, they aren't any better. They still suffer from major compatitiblity problems, and SiS isn't as stable as everyone preaches.
VIA has improved a lot since the socket 7 days, and right now, I can't find anything wrong with the chipsets. Of course, in the future, another piece of hardware might cause some problems, for VIA or anyone else.
Intel makes stable chipsets, but they are a far cry from the best. Much like AMDs they really aren't flexible, but AMDs 760 does have a lot of options with it.
Reboots are either a power thing, or a conflict, it could be a cheap hardware, and as much as I hate MSI, I don't think thats the case.
VIA has improved a lot since the socket 7 days, and right now, I can't find anything wrong with the chipsets. Of course, in the future, another piece of hardware might cause some problems, for VIA or anyone else.
Intel makes stable chipsets, but they are a far cry from the best. Much like AMDs they really aren't flexible, but AMDs 760 does have a lot of options with it.
Reboots are either a power thing, or a conflict, it could be a cheap hardware, and as much as I hate MSI, I don't think thats the case.
AA0 wrote:
"They still suffer from major compatitiblity problems, and SiS isn't as stable as everyone preaches."
Having used SiS 730 and now 735, I'm wondering exactly what "compatibility" problems are there. I certainly haven't experienced any. Also, where is the evidence that SiS "isn't as stable"? I've literally tried to crash both of my K7S5A machines by running endless 3DMark2K1 loops, Prime95, CPU Stability Tester, etc. for several days on end. I've given up. They are rock solid. And the performance is right there with KT266A. Without the issues. What am I missing? Besides the fact that a $55 gem performs just as well as the $150 ones some here are so fond of?
Like it or not, the few boards based on SiS 735 offer the best price/performance ratio out there right now. And they don't have the issues which so commonly plague VIA. In fact, the IDE performance of SiS 735 is still superior to 8233 and previous VIA south bridges.
"They still suffer from major compatitiblity problems, and SiS isn't as stable as everyone preaches."
Having used SiS 730 and now 735, I'm wondering exactly what "compatibility" problems are there. I certainly haven't experienced any. Also, where is the evidence that SiS "isn't as stable"? I've literally tried to crash both of my K7S5A machines by running endless 3DMark2K1 loops, Prime95, CPU Stability Tester, etc. for several days on end. I've given up. They are rock solid. And the performance is right there with KT266A. Without the issues. What am I missing? Besides the fact that a $55 gem performs just as well as the $150 ones some here are so fond of?
Like it or not, the few boards based on SiS 735 offer the best price/performance ratio out there right now. And they don't have the issues which so commonly plague VIA. In fact, the IDE performance of SiS 735 is still superior to 8233 and previous VIA south bridges.
AA0, just curious, what did you use for you AC filtering? a UPS? which one?
Oh yeah, I am up to date on the bios too... 3.2...
Oh yeah, I am up to date on the bios too... 3.2...
I use a blackout buster from pkelectronics, not the greatest brand but it does condition the line, and my computer doesn't reboot randomly, my old one used to do it 3-4 times a day somedays, but then wouldn't do it for weeks...
spook have you tried to enable to spread spectrum on your msi board?
I have almost the same probs--and it went away after I enabled it
I have almost the same probs--and it went away after I enabled it
I have Athlon 1.4 and AMD 761, never any problems at all. Been a great system. I personally do not like VIA northbridge
<< <<MSI boards are fast, but do not last.>>
Quite the opposite. MSIs are known for their quality and longevity, but not performance. Almost everything other than the K7T Pro2A has been a gem. >>
Hey, wait. The K7T Pro2A was the baby of these forums for like 2 months. After that lots of people started having problems. How long has the K7T266 Pro2 been out? 3 months max?
You people never have understood proven hardware. The BX chipset can be called proven. Even 810 and 815. They have been around soooooo long. Via never really tests/fixes the chipsets - they release a new one.
All that being said, I own a P4x266 and a AMD761/Via combo chipset. The AMD/Via board is a hell of a lot nicer. Via ust doesn't have polish yet. Give them a few more years.
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