hmmm... I know I'm going blind Yo but it sure looks like a Hippo to me, lol
And.... Cows are brown, not silver, but Hippos ARE silver.
So it's a silver cow then ??? lol
hmmm... I know I'm going blind Yo but it sure looks like a Hippo to me, lol
And.... Cows are brown, not silver, but Hippos ARE silver.
So it's a silver cow then ??? lol
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
And most of us aren't still living in 1997.
Well I'm still living in 1999, not 1997 but you're close enough, lol
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Hey Fisher999, just so you know, you can EDIT your posts and add to them... that way you don't have to make a dozen in a row in the same thread.
Thanks Yo; I guess I'm using the wrong strategy. I was interested in this already-long thread so I started at the beginning and starting reading the posts and responded to the ones to which I agreed or to which I could add something.
I guess I'll have to "take notes" in these long threads and give my responses all at once at the end.... but my memory is short and my penmanship poor !!! :disgust:
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Hey Fisher999, just so you know, you can EDIT your posts and add to them... that way you don't have to make a dozen in a row in the same thread.
Oh wait Yo, do you mean I should "cut " from my threads, delete the originals somehow and then "paste" the total into just ONE post ???
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Moores law came crashing down last year
It did? You mean that chip density is no longer doubling every 18 months ???
Even Moore didn't think his "law" would hold forever. He didn't even like the idea of it being a law. He preferred to refer to it as an "observation".
What? :Q I still have use for all these things and I have a fairly ok computer in 2005. Let me break it down what I use these "legacy" things for:
Serial ports: I use it for my connecting to my VapoChill for updates, changes and monitoring of temps/fan speeds etc. I might also need one if I get a UPS one day.
Parallel port: I have 2 slightly old colour printers/scanners here that use parallel. They are still quite good and more than adequate for my needs. Printers aren't something you upgrade every few years like a computer. You can keep using them for years and not need to get new ones. I would be mad if I had to throw away my printers just because all new motherboards didn't have a parallel port anymore.
PS/2 ports: I use a PS2 keyboard and I like it. Probably more reliable than USB or wireless. Also for Partition Magic in DOS you need a PS2 connected mouse or it won't recognise it.
Front panel plugs: Like on a case? I find it very convenient to have the usb/firewire ports on the front. Means you can quickly plug in your camera/joystick etc without having to reach around behind the case fumbling round for the right hole.
VGA: My 19" LCD, 12ms is still doing fine on VGA. Some VGA displays are still good, like what are all the high end CRT users going to do? Use DVI->VGA converter and get some quality loss to go with it? VGA is still used on some projectors etc as well.
Floppy drive: Where would I be without my floppy drive? It's about the best way to update your BIOS, forget Windows flashing thats dodgy, it could crash at any minute and render your machine dead in the water. I use it for BIOS flashing, firmware updates, VapoChill configuration, Partition Magic and DriveImage (They run better in DOS). Some other programs that I used to use on floppy I now use with the Ultimate Boot Cd, like memtest etc but not all will run on CD.
You can't just throw away legacy connectors etc overnight, it needs to be phased out eventually until no-one is using them anymore. Motherboard makers want to build boards that will cater for the most amount of users so they can get the most sales.
Everthing else you said I can agree with. Though I think you are stuck waiting for the best things to come out, then there's always something else you want. Keep that mindset and you'll never get a computer. Just get something powerful now and be content with that. There's not always much point having the best in everything unless you need that power and have a use for it. Seems some people just get it for the e-penis, like SLI users. :roll:
Then you get people who will upgrade a X800 XT PE to a X850 XT PE. Eh, what for? Another $600 for 0-5% performance increase? Upgrading your video card is perhaps a good idea if it offers 100%+ more performance like a 9800pro -> X800 XT PE upgrade. That's really making use of the money.
I actually read an article on Moore's Law. He didn't even come up with it. He made a few observations, and some of his employees pieced it all together, and called it Moores law, because it was his observations which got them thinking about it. Also, it was originally that the speed of 'computers' would double every 12 months. Then about five years ago, it became 18 months. And since then it has come to a grinding halt. Notice that you can still buy 12month old CPU's...
Parallel Ports- My scanner and printer are both running off the single parallel port on my PC. And my Keyboard is using a PS/2 port. And I use my front USB ports for my USB thumbdrive.
Anyway, if you've smart about how you upgrade, you shouldn't be hassled by the progress in the market.
Build a computer that will do everything you want to do now, and make sure it's got the new sort of connections(Eg, PCI-E), so you can upgrade L8er. Then, when you need to upgrade, just upgrade to the best value piece of hardware that will do what you need.
RoD
Parallel Ports- My scanner and printer are both running off the single parallel port on my PC. And my Keyboard is using a PS/2 port. And I use my front USB ports for my USB thumbdrive.
Anyway, if you've smart about how you upgrade, you shouldn't be hassled by the progress in the market.
Build a computer that will do everything you want to do now, and make sure it's got the new sort of connections(Eg, PCI-E), so you can upgrade L8er. Then, when you need to upgrade, just upgrade to the best value piece of hardware that will do what you need.
RoD
SLI. It does have a useful purpose.
I got an SLI MoBo, so that rather than selling my graphics card for virtually nothing in 1/2 years time, and buying a new one, i can buy another card like mine for next to nothing, and give myself a nice boost.
Also, ppl who say SLI does nothing haven't tested it properly. SLI doesn't give you much of a frame rate boost (the human eye can only see 18-24 fps anyway). But it does allow you to increase the resolution, and activate AA and AF, without losing your frame rate. And a game running at 600x800 @ 200FPS would look pitiful compared to a game running at 1280x1024 with 8xAA and 8xAF @ 40FPS.
RoD
I got an SLI MoBo, so that rather than selling my graphics card for virtually nothing in 1/2 years time, and buying a new one, i can buy another card like mine for next to nothing, and give myself a nice boost.
Also, ppl who say SLI does nothing haven't tested it properly. SLI doesn't give you much of a frame rate boost (the human eye can only see 18-24 fps anyway). But it does allow you to increase the resolution, and activate AA and AF, without losing your frame rate. And a game running at 600x800 @ 200FPS would look pitiful compared to a game running at 1280x1024 with 8xAA and 8xAF @ 40FPS.
RoD
I agree with the front USB plugs, I originally wrote them off as a gimmick when they first started being introduced how many ever years ago that was, but I finally started using them about a year ago, and it is indeed very convenient.
Originally posted by: Fisher999
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Moores law came crashing down last year
It did? You mean that chip density is no longer doubling every 18 months ???
Even Moore didn't think his "law" would hold forever. He didn't even like the idea of it being a law. He preferred to refer to it as an "observation".
Originally posted by: Algere
[It's transistor count that doubles, not speed.
To clarify your response, you probably mean transistor count in the same amount of space, not just transistor count itself. That's why I answered with "chip density" in my initial response to Acanthus post !!!
That's how I do it. I have a bootable CD image I've made that I just update the flash utility and the BIOS on it whenever I have to flash, and then burn a new CD. It isn't like blank CDs cost much any more.
Physics Processing Unit, the next overhyped piece of PC hardware. Supposed to take the processing of physics off the hands of the rest of your system. However, early on only a handful of games will support it so if it ever DOES become popular and useful it'll be years from now (instead of Q4 '05 which is when the first PPU will be released)
If you must clarify then yes, "in the same amount of space". Now I'll return the favor & revise your "chip density" to "transistor density".Originally posted by: Fisher999
Originally posted by: Fisher999
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Moores law came crashing down last year
It did? You mean that chip density is no longer doubling every 18 months ???
Even Moore didn't think his "law" would hold forever. He didn't even like the idea of it being a law. He preferred to refer to it as an "observation".
Originally posted by: Algere
[It's transistor count that doubles, not speed.
To clarify your response, you probably mean transistor count in the same amount of space, not just transistor count itself. That's why I answered with "chip density" in my initial response to Acanthus post !!!
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Burned on skt754? They have PCIe support now, and with an overclocked sempr0n is the best budget platform avaiilable and will be until the 939 variant hits in volume. The E core Sempr0n will be here very soon with SSE3 and the ability to hit 2.7ghz on air, yep those who went 754 are really getting burned now :roll:
Furthermore 939 isn't going to be outdated anytime soon either, X-bit reports AMD is likely going to make the dual-core 1 series Opteron 939, then there is the X2 which won't be out for months yet that is 939 too.
Just how long do you expect to be using a computer for anything more than basic tasks anyways? Anyone that has been in the scene long enough knows futureproof is a misnomer. If you can juice 3yrs out of a computer with nothing more than a vid card and ram upgrade then you did spectacular when you bought the damned thing.
Originally posted by: rod
SLI. It does have a useful purpose.
I got an SLI MoBo, so that rather than selling my graphics card for virtually nothing in 1/2 years time, and buying a new one, i can buy another card like mine for next to nothing, and give myself a nice boost.
Also, ppl who say SLI does nothing haven't tested it properly. SLI doesn't give you much of a frame rate boost (the human eye can only see 18-24 fps anyway). But it does allow you to increase the resolution, and activate AA and AF, without losing your frame rate. And a game running at 600x800 @ 200FPS would look pitiful compared to a game running at 1280x1024 with 8xAA and 8xAF @ 40FPS.
RoD
To point out some flaws in your logic.
1) You are paying a premium price for an SLI motherboard now. As much as $60 over what a non-SLI motherboard NF4 Ultra sells for.
2) When you do purchase your next graphics card for next to nothing there will be a reason why it will be priced next to thing or if it is priced higher. This is because the current technology at the time will dictate the price. If your current graphics card does not support the newest rendering techneques such as DirectX 10 or higher or other new graphics technologies then your card will truely be worth next to nothing.
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Well at least it has Pixel Shader 3.0.....*sigh*
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The fact is we can argue the merits of upgrading & buying this or that for the next 10 years. If people are willing to buy something, companies will produce it. Back when PCI was still relatively new, SLi was sort of an underground thing for the hardcore computer addict. Now there are so many PC gamers & such that the demand for SLi with PCi-e has been nurtured by a huge market for gaming performance. Whether any of this is worth the price or not is kind of like whether someone is beautiful or not, all in the eye of the beholder.
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The fact is we can argue the merits of upgrading & buying this or that for the next 10 years. If people are willing to buy something, companies will produce it. Back when PCI was still relatively new, SLi was sort of an underground thing for the hardcore computer addict. Now there are so many PC gamers & such that the demand for SLi with PCi-e has been nurtured by a huge market for gaming performance. Whether any of this is worth the price or not is kind of like whether someone is beautiful or not, all in the eye of the beholder.
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Originally posted by: rod
SLI. It does have a useful purpose.
I got an SLI MoBo, so that rather than selling my graphics card for virtually nothing in 1/2 years time, and buying a new one, i can buy another card like mine for next to nothing, and give myself a nice boost.
Also, ppl who say SLI does nothing haven't tested it properly. SLI doesn't give you much of a frame rate boost (the human eye can only see 18-24 fps anyway). But it does allow you to increase the resolution, and activate AA and AF, without losing your frame rate. And a game running at 600x800 @ 200FPS would look pitiful compared to a game running at 1280x1024 with 8xAA and 8xAF @ 40FPS.
RoD
1. Your two cards may put out more horsepower, but you will still be using 2 year old tech. In 2 years single cards will be faster than your 2 cards and use newer tech that may be necessary to fully enjoy the game.
2. The human eye has no limitation. Although I'm surprised you said 18-24, that is by far the lowest I've ever seen someone say. Most people think it's 60, but it's really not limited.
I learned early not to try keeping up with the Gateses
My old XP2100+ serves me fine for now. In a few years I will upgrade, and this PC will quietly fold until it dies.
I don't think you could buy a top of the line home theater system for the price of a new dual-core opteron setup. High end home theater is EXPENSIVE.
Originally posted by: Algere
...If you must clarify then yes, "in the same amount of space". Now I'll return the favor & revise your "chip density" to "transistor density".
Thank You for clarifying MY error
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