Originally posted by: Injury
For the record, pushing a defensive player away right before you catch a ball is pretty much the exact definition of Offensive Pass Interference, which is exactly what he did. Not a BS call.
As I said before, nobody would be calling BS if they were winning or if it wasn't a touchdown pass if the penalty hadn't occurred.
Reviewing penalties is ridiculous... on any given play there are probably 5 penalties and most go unnoticed... reviewing the penalties that are called would not only double the time of the game, but show those 5 penalties every play. Nobody would move the damn ball.
Originally posted by: j00fek
ravens have no offense deal with it
Originally posted by: Lord Zado
How many times on 3rd or 4th and short has Brian Billick called a pass since he took over playcalling last year. It frustrates the hell out of me. We just went out in the offseason and pick up a supposedly huge upgrade at running back, we ran the ball with success all night, yet when it really mattered, he threw the ball.
We finally take the lead and start a clock killing drive. 3rd and 2. Do you run the ball for the first against a tired defense? No, throw 15 yards down the field, interception. Cinci scores a few plays later. Then 4th and inches with Kyle fricking Boller at the helm. Pass to Heap. It was a bad call on the offensive pass interference, but why are we throwing there anyway?!!! Then, we get a fresh set of downs. On 1st down we run from the 6 to the 2.5 yard line. You're telling me opening night, Monday night football, divisional rivalry, you can't get jacked up enough to run 2.5 yards on 3 straight runs? Instead, back to back passes and the 2nd is intercepted. Again, Boller made a good throw, but why throw in the first place?
Sorry night for a Ravens fan
Originally posted by: Injury
If it all comes down to one bad call then the truth is the team probably didn't deserve to win anyway.
Blame the ref all you want, but if they didn't have, what, 6 turnovers, the other plays in that drive... then you'd probably be saying "Hah, screw it. We're about to win anyway." Both teams should have played so much better. The Bengals were just fortunate they didn't make as many stupid mistakes.
Originally posted by: MrLee
Originally posted by: Injury
If it all comes down to one bad call then the truth is the team probably didn't deserve to win anyway.
Blame the ref all you want, but if they didn't have, what, 6 turnovers, the other plays in that drive... then you'd probably be saying "Hah, screw it. We're about to win anyway." Both teams should have played so much better. The Bengals were just fortunate they didn't make as many stupid mistakes.
QFT. A football team has 4 quarters to win the game.
Originally posted by: Lord Zado
How many times on 3rd or 4th and short has Brian Billick called a pass since he took over playcalling last year. It frustrates the hell out of me. We just went out in the offseason and pick up a supposedly huge upgrade at running back, we ran the ball with success all night, yet when it really mattered, he threw the ball.
We finally take the lead and start a clock killing drive. 3rd and 2. Do you run the ball for the first against a tired defense? No, throw 15 yards down the field, interception. Cinci scores a few plays later. Then 4th and inches with Kyle fricking Boller at the helm. Pass to Heap. It was a bad call on the offensive pass interference, but why are we throwing there anyway?!!! Then, we get a fresh set of downs. On 1st down we run from the 6 to the 2.5 yard line. You're telling me opening night, Monday night football, divisional rivalry, you can't get jacked up enough to run 2.5 yards on 3 straight runs? Instead, back to back passes and the 2nd is intercepted. Again, Boller made a good throw, but why throw in the first place?
Sorry night for a Ravens fan
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: MrLee
Originally posted by: Injury
If it all comes down to one bad call then the truth is the team probably didn't deserve to win anyway.
Blame the ref all you want, but if they didn't have, what, 6 turnovers, the other plays in that drive... then you'd probably be saying "Hah, screw it. We're about to win anyway." Both teams should have played so much better. The Bengals were just fortunate they didn't make as many stupid mistakes.
QFT. A football team has 4 quarters to win the game.
Don't change the subject. I have never denied that Baltimore had no business being in the game at the end. The fact is they were in the game, the fact is that the TD the refs took away would have tied the game and the fact is that it was a bad call. This is what we are discussing - stay focused people.
Originally posted by: MrLee
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: MrLee
Originally posted by: Injury
If it all comes down to one bad call then the truth is the team probably didn't deserve to win anyway.
Blame the ref all you want, but if they didn't have, what, 6 turnovers, the other plays in that drive... then you'd probably be saying "Hah, screw it. We're about to win anyway." Both teams should have played so much better. The Bengals were just fortunate they didn't make as many stupid mistakes.
QFT. A football team has 4 quarters to win the game.
Don't change the subject. I have never denied that Baltimore had no business being in the game at the end. The fact is they were in the game, the fact is that the TD the refs took away would have tied the game and the fact is that it was a bad call. This is what we are discussing - stay focused people.
Bro did you see the drive they had? Were you watching? It was yards from the endzone and there was offensive pass interference that was questionable. Then redemption hits them right in the face with holding and an automatic first down after a few yards bumped up. It put them right back in the exact same place that they started before the pass interference call. Its like taking a giant etch-e-sketch after 2 really crappy plays and shaking it all over the place to start again and THEY STILL COULDNT GET A TD. They had their chances, they blew it. They blew every single time they failed to convert a drive into points. Baltimore Fails.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: Injury
For the record, pushing a defensive player away right before you catch a ball is pretty much the exact definition of Offensive Pass Interference, which is exactly what he did. Not a BS call.
As I said before, nobody would be calling BS if they were winning or if it wasn't a touchdown pass if the penalty hadn't occurred.
Reviewing penalties is ridiculous... on any given play there are probably 5 penalties and most go unnoticed... reviewing the penalties that are called would not only double the time of the game, but show those 5 penalties every play. Nobody would move the damn ball.
There was absolutely no push off - watch the replay, it was incidental contact.
Your second sentence is ridiculous - it's like saying nobody would be charging me with murder if my bullet didn't kill someone. This is exactly why I am saying this: it did cost Baltimore a TD and it did cost Baltimore a chance at the game. At a minimum, it would have tied the game and given Cincy the ball with a long field and under 2 minutes with 1 TO against one of the best Ds in the league.
You guys have no idea what you are talking about - there is no way the game would lengthen by any noticeable amount if you reviewed every penalty call immediately after the call for a sign of whether or not the call was questionable. The broadcasting station does this anyway and usually knows whether or not the call was good well before the snap of the next down.
I am not suggesting trying to find all non-calls, I am suggesting reviewing all questionable calls with video evidence and if there is a sign that there may have been a mistake - force the officiating crew to review it. Throw away the red flag and throw away the challenge.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
It is frustrating to me that it is not being used and this forces an offensively challenged team to give up a game tying TD (which are obviously hard to come by for Baltimore) resulting in a loss when it should have been tied.
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: Injury
For the record, pushing a defensive player away right before you catch a ball is pretty much the exact definition of Offensive Pass Interference, which is exactly what he did. Not a BS call.
As I said before, nobody would be calling BS if they were winning or if it wasn't a touchdown pass if the penalty hadn't occurred.
Reviewing penalties is ridiculous... on any given play there are probably 5 penalties and most go unnoticed... reviewing the penalties that are called would not only double the time of the game, but show those 5 penalties every play. Nobody would move the damn ball.
There was absolutely no push off - watch the replay, it was incidental contact.
Your second sentence is ridiculous - it's like saying nobody would be charging me with murder if my bullet didn't kill someone. This is exactly why I am saying this: it did cost Baltimore a TD and it did cost Baltimore a chance at the game. At a minimum, it would have tied the game and given Cincy the ball with a long field and under 2 minutes with 1 TO against one of the best Ds in the league.
You guys have no idea what you are talking about - there is no way the game would lengthen by any noticeable amount if you reviewed every penalty call immediately after the call for a sign of whether or not the call was questionable. The broadcasting station does this anyway and usually knows whether or not the call was good well before the snap of the next down.
I am not suggesting trying to find all non-calls, I am suggesting reviewing all questionable calls with video evidence and if there is a sign that there may have been a mistake - force the officiating crew to review it. Throw away the red flag and throw away the challenge.
Right, pushing another player away from the area when you are about to receive a catch isn't a push off. :roll:
Aside from you trying to equate my statement to murder... you're still wrong... if you shoot someone and they don't die... you wouldn't be charged with murder you'd get charged with attempted murder. Regardless, if the Ravens were up 40 to zip you wouldn't have made this post because you wouldn't give a damn. If they had scored after that, you would be making posts saying "Doesn't matter... they still got the job done." If they had scored again, and with the remaining minute and a half the Bengals kicked a field goal, it wouldn't have made any damn difference, would it? It's just like the people that got all pissy when a fan in Chicago caught a foul ball that could have been an out.
You can't come out on the field, play like crap and be pissed you didn't win because of one bad call. You get what you give. The only thing that cost Baltimore a chance at winning the game was Baltimore themselves.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Way to put words in my mouth.
You are the only one who has posted here that thinks that was a foul and a valid call. As such you have no credibility with me. Hands down, they didn't deserve to be in the position they were in after 6 turnovers and a bunch of bad play calls. But they were in that position and they did lose that game because of that one call.
My argument is that it should have been reviewable and on review it would have been reversed and the TD would have been awarded. It is ridiculous that the broadcasting stations can review the play 20 ways to sunday before the snap of the next down, but there isn't enough time for the league to do so.
JUST IN CASE IT ISN'T CLEAR - I AM NOT ARGUING THAT BALTIMORE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME. I AM ARGUING THAT THE OFFENSIVE PASS INTEREFENCE WAS A HORRIBLE CALL, SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND REVERESED - SO THE TD SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARDED RESULTING IN A TIE GAME. THE WAY BALTIMORE WAS PLAYING THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TURNED IT OVER A 7TH TIME AND LOST THE GAME ANYWAY, BUT THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT PEOPLE DECIDING THE WINNER AND THE LOSER.
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Way to put words in my mouth.
You are the only one who has posted here that thinks that was a foul and a valid call. As such you have no credibility with me. Hands down, they didn't deserve to be in the position they were in after 6 turnovers and a bunch of bad play calls. But they were in that position and they did lose that game because of that one call.
My argument is that it should have been reviewable and on review it would have been reversed and the TD would have been awarded. It is ridiculous that the broadcasting stations can review the play 20 ways to sunday before the snap of the next down, but there isn't enough time for the league to do so.
JUST IN CASE IT ISN'T CLEAR - I AM NOT ARGUING THAT BALTIMORE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME. I AM ARGUING THAT THE OFFENSIVE PASS INTEREFENCE WAS A HORRIBLE CALL, SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND REVERESED - SO THE TD SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARDED RESULTING IN A TIE GAME. THE WAY BALTIMORE WAS PLAYING THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TURNED IT OVER A 7TH TIME AND LOST THE GAME ANYWAY, BUT THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT PEOPLE DECIDING THE WINNER AND THE LOSER.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR MY ARGUMENT IS "LET IT GO, IT DOESN'T MATTER". THE GAME HAS BEEN PLAYED FOR YEARS WITH THE ABILITY TO REVIEW REFEREE CALLS AND NO ONE WANTS THAT BECAUSE IT'S DETRACTING FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S A DAMN SPORT, AND SPORTS AREN'T ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT CAMERA ANGLES YOU GET, IT'S ABOUT A GROUP OF PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO COMPETE, WHICH BALTIMORE WAS INCAPABLE OF DOING. AGAIN, LET IT GO.
Darn, I don't have any credibility from Garet Jax. I'm heartbroken. I didn't see a push-off UNTIL the replay, which made it quite obvious that Trash Heap hindered the ability of the defensive player to do his job, including knocking the ball down, intercepting it, or screening the pass.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: Injury
For the record, pushing a defensive player away right before you catch a ball is pretty much the exact definition of Offensive Pass Interference, which is exactly what he did. Not a BS call.
As I said before, nobody would be calling BS if they were winning or if it wasn't a touchdown pass if the penalty hadn't occurred.
Reviewing penalties is ridiculous... on any given play there are probably 5 penalties and most go unnoticed... reviewing the penalties that are called would not only double the time of the game, but show those 5 penalties every play. Nobody would move the damn ball.
There was absolutely no push off - watch the replay, it was incidental contact.
Your second sentence is ridiculous - it's like saying nobody would be charging me with murder if my bullet didn't kill someone. This is exactly why I am saying this: it did cost Baltimore a TD and it did cost Baltimore a chance at the game. At a minimum, it would have tied the game and given Cincy the ball with a long field and under 2 minutes with 1 TO against one of the best Ds in the league.
You guys have no idea what you are talking about - there is no way the game would lengthen by any noticeable amount if you reviewed every penalty call immediately after the call for a sign of whether or not the call was questionable. The broadcasting station does this anyway and usually knows whether or not the call was good well before the snap of the next down.
I am not suggesting trying to find all non-calls, I am suggesting reviewing all questionable calls with video evidence and if there is a sign that there may have been a mistake - force the officiating crew to review it. Throw away the red flag and throw away the challenge.
Right, pushing another player away from the area when you are about to receive a catch isn't a push off. :roll:
Aside from you trying to equate my statement to murder... you're still wrong... if you shoot someone and they don't die... you wouldn't be charged with murder you'd get charged with attempted murder. Regardless, if the Ravens were up 40 to zip you wouldn't have made this post because you wouldn't give a damn. If they had scored after that, you would be making posts saying "Doesn't matter... they still got the job done." If they had scored again, and with the remaining minute and a half the Bengals kicked a field goal, it wouldn't have made any damn difference, would it? It's just like the people that got all pissy when a fan in Chicago caught a foul ball that could have been an out.
You can't come out on the field, play like crap and be pissed you didn't win because of one bad call. You get what you give. The only thing that cost Baltimore a chance at winning the game was Baltimore themselves.
Way to put words in my mouth.
You are the only one who has posted here that thinks that was a foul and a valid call. As such you have no credibility with me. Hands down, they didn't deserve to be in the position they were in after 6 turnovers and a bunch of bad play calls. But they were in that position and they did lose that game because of that one call.
My argument is that it should have been reviewable and on review it would have been reversed and the TD would have been awarded. It is ridiculous that the broadcasting stations can review the play 20 ways to sunday before the snap of the next down, but there isn't enough time for the league to do so.
JUST IN CASE IT ISN'T CLEAR - I AM NOT ARGUING THAT BALTIMORE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME. I AM ARGUING THAT THE OFFENSIVE PASS INTEREFENCE WAS A HORRIBLE CALL, SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND REVERESED - SO THE TD SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARDED RESULTING IN A TIE GAME. THE WAY BALTIMORE WAS PLAYING THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TURNED IT OVER A 7TH TIME AND LOST THE GAME ANYWAY, BUT THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT PEOPLE DECIDING THE WINNER AND THE LOSER.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Way to put words in my mouth.
You are the only one who has posted here that thinks that was a foul and a valid call. As such you have no credibility with me. Hands down, they didn't deserve to be in the position they were in after 6 turnovers and a bunch of bad play calls. But they were in that position and they did lose that game because of that one call.
My argument is that it should have been reviewable and on review it would have been reversed and the TD would have been awarded. It is ridiculous that the broadcasting stations can review the play 20 ways to sunday before the snap of the next down, but there isn't enough time for the league to do so.
JUST IN CASE IT ISN'T CLEAR - I AM NOT ARGUING THAT BALTIMORE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME. I AM ARGUING THAT THE OFFENSIVE PASS INTEREFENCE WAS A HORRIBLE CALL, SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND REVERESED - SO THE TD SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARDED RESULTING IN A TIE GAME. THE WAY BALTIMORE WAS PLAYING THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TURNED IT OVER A 7TH TIME AND LOST THE GAME ANYWAY, BUT THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT PEOPLE DECIDING THE WINNER AND THE LOSER.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR MY ARGUMENT IS "LET IT GO, IT DOESN'T MATTER". THE GAME HAS BEEN PLAYED FOR YEARS WITH THE ABILITY TO REVIEW REFEREE CALLS AND NO ONE WANTS THAT BECAUSE IT'S DETRACTING FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S A DAMN SPORT, AND SPORTS AREN'T ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT CAMERA ANGLES YOU GET, IT'S ABOUT A GROUP OF PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO COMPETE, WHICH BALTIMORE WAS INCAPABLE OF DOING. AGAIN, LET IT GO.
Darn, I don't have any credibility from Garet Jax. I'm heartbroken. I didn't see a push-off UNTIL the replay, which made it quite obvious that Trash Heap hindered the ability of the defensive player to do his job, including knocking the ball down, intercepting it, or screening the pass.
So it goes back to my first argument - either have video replay for everything or have it for nothing. Do not arbitrarily choose what can be reviewed and what can't be reviewed.
Originally posted by: sao123
But here is the point oblivious to you... a game is not won or lost on one play or by one player... either team can score on any/every play in the game... there are 100-some snaps in a game... and if your win hinges on one play... then you didnt play well enough to win.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Some calls will ALWAYS be arbitrary. No amount of replay will fix it. If somebody is defense minded they will say it's this. If they are offense minded, they will say it's that. Even refs alone won't agree on it.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
but it doesn't change the fact that they were in a position to win and were denied that opportunity because of a bad call.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Heap's hand was on the defender, but the defenders hands were also on Heap and there was no pushing motion - he jumped, he didn't push.