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Originally posted by: Daverino
Boller put it on Heap's numbers and he didn't hang on. . . They had seven chances from within the ten yards in the last four minutes and couldn't score. Pathetic. And I have both Heap and McGahee on my fantasy team too. Baltimore deserved to lose.
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Damn it, that was a f*cking TD.
And why the f*ck were they passing it??!!!
:|
Originally posted by: Daverino
Boller put it on Heap's numbers and he didn't hang on. . . They had seven chances from within the ten yards in the last four minutes and couldn't score. Pathetic. And I have both Heap and McGahee on my fantasy team too. Baltimore deserved to lose.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Heap got a second chance and he failed to convert. It's not like Baltimore was totally left hung out to dry. They had a fresh set of downs and didn't do anything with it.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Heap got a second chance and he failed to convert. It's not like Baltimore was totally left hung out to dry. They had a fresh set of downs and didn't do anything with it.
Originally posted by: JujuFish
8 tries at goal to go and they don't score, they deserved to lose.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: JujuFish
8 tries at goal to go and they don't score, they deserved to lose.
Bot disputing that - Baltimore has had an anemic offense for as long as I've been here.
I'm not debating that - I'm saying that the call should never have been allowed to stand - they can review so many other things, but not this.
Either have video replay on everything or nothing. Either accept the refs as humans that make mistakes or point out their mistakes for the world to see, but you can't have it half way.
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: JujuFish
8 tries at goal to go and they don't score, they deserved to lose.
Bot disputing that - Baltimore has had an anemic offense for as long as I've been here.
I'm not debating that - I'm saying that the call should never have been allowed to stand - they can review so many other things, but not this.
Either have video replay on everything or nothing. Either accept the refs as humans that make mistakes or point out their mistakes for the world to see, but you can't have it half way.
I disagree. Reply is NOT to challenge the penalties. That's never been what it has been used for.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: JujuFish
8 tries at goal to go and they don't score, they deserved to lose.
Bot disputing that - Baltimore has had an anemic offense for as long as I've been here.
I'm not debating that - I'm saying that the call should never have been allowed to stand - they can review so many other things, but not this.
Either have video replay on everything or nothing. Either accept the refs as humans that make mistakes or point out their mistakes for the world to see, but you can't have it half way.
I disagree. Reply is NOT to challenge the penalties. That's never been what it has been used for.
That's my point, it should be used to ensure all calls are correct or it should be excluded to make sure all human error is left in the game. It shouldn't be both ways.
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: JujuFish
8 tries at goal to go and they don't score, they deserved to lose.
Bot disputing that - Baltimore has had an anemic offense for as long as I've been here.
I'm not debating that - I'm saying that the call should never have been allowed to stand - they can review so many other things, but not this.
Either have video replay on everything or nothing. Either accept the refs as humans that make mistakes or point out their mistakes for the world to see, but you can't have it half way.
I disagree. Reply is NOT to challenge the penalties. That's never been what it has been used for.
That's my point, it should be used to ensure all calls are correct or it should be excluded to make sure all human error is left in the game. It shouldn't be both ways.
So you want 4 hour games then huh? The games take long enough as it is (most of them). Adding more things in to challenge would be ridiculous. You'd have coaches challenging every little thing...cause there's no way they would be able to keep the 2 limit they have now if they included reviewing ref calls.
The system works now...and like i said in the other thread about this, human error is part of every game. Imagine the calls that took place when there was NO video replay available at all or video in the first place. It would ruin the game. What next, video reply to determine if the ball should have been place 2 inches further up field? 2 centimeters? Where does it end?
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: JujuFish
8 tries at goal to go and they don't score, they deserved to lose.
Bot disputing that - Baltimore has had an anemic offense for as long as I've been here.
I'm not debating that - I'm saying that the call should never have been allowed to stand - they can review so many other things, but not this.
Either have video replay on everything or nothing. Either accept the refs as humans that make mistakes or point out their mistakes for the world to see, but you can't have it half way.
I disagree. Reply is NOT to challenge the penalties. That's never been what it has been used for.
That's my point, it should be used to ensure all calls are correct or it should be excluded to make sure all human error is left in the game. It shouldn't be both ways.
So you want 4 hour games then huh? The games take long enough as it is (most of them). Adding more things in to challenge would be ridiculous. You'd have coaches challenging every little thing...cause there's no way they would be able to keep the 2 limit they have now if they included reviewing ref calls.
The system works now...and like i said in the other thread about this, human error is part of every game. Imagine the calls that took place when there was NO video replay available at all or video in the first place. It would ruin the game. What next, video reply to determine if the ball should have been place 2 inches further up field? 2 centimeters? Where does it end?
I didn't say challenges - I said video replay. There should be a group of people who review every play immediately after it happens (whether or not a challenge takes place). If there is question (which can be deduced very quickly), then they put a call into the head referee who does a full review.
{EDIT}That or nothing.
{EDIT}How can you say the system works - the refs fundamentally changed the outcome of the game even though their goal is never to do that. It's like saying the legal system works since so few people are wrongfully found guilty.
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: JujuFish
8 tries at goal to go and they don't score, they deserved to lose.
Bot disputing that - Baltimore has had an anemic offense for as long as I've been here.
I'm not debating that - I'm saying that the call should never have been allowed to stand - they can review so many other things, but not this.
Either have video replay on everything or nothing. Either accept the refs as humans that make mistakes or point out their mistakes for the world to see, but you can't have it half way.
I disagree. Reply is NOT to challenge the penalties. That's never been what it has been used for.
That's my point, it should be used to ensure all calls are correct or it should be excluded to make sure all human error is left in the game. It shouldn't be both ways.
So you want 4 hour games then huh? The games take long enough as it is (most of them). Adding more things in to challenge would be ridiculous. You'd have coaches challenging every little thing...cause there's no way they would be able to keep the 2 limit they have now if they included reviewing ref calls.
The system works now...and like i said in the other thread about this, human error is part of every game. Imagine the calls that took place when there was NO video replay available at all or video in the first place. It would ruin the game. What next, video reply to determine if the ball should have been place 2 inches further up field? 2 centimeters? Where does it end?
I didn't say challenges - I said video replay. There should be a group of people who review every play immediately after it happens (whether or not a challenge takes place). If there is question (which can be deduced very quickly), then they put a call into the head referee who does a full review.
{EDIT}That or nothing.
{EDIT}How can you say the system works - the refs fundamentally changed the outcome of the game even though their goal is never to do that. It's like saying the legal system works since so few people are wrongfully found guilty.
Don't change the subject, we are talking about a GAME, not the legal system. Apples and oranges.
The system works well enough is what i'm saying. It's worked like this for years, and it'll continue as is despite this incident. The refs are a part of the game, always have been, always will be. It's just a game. So Baltimore lost because of a shitty call...that's the way it works. Every team can say that. It's part of the game. Their goal is never to change the outcome, but like it or not, it happens. And that's sports. It wouldn't be fun to watch if every single call and play was exactly right.
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Daverino
Boller put it on Heap's numbers and he didn't hang on. . . They had seven chances from within the ten yards in the last four minutes and couldn't score. Pathetic. And I have both Heap and McGahee on my fantasy team too. Baltimore deserved to lose.
Did you miss the thread eariler? :laugh:
Originally posted by: vi_edit
There isn't another sport out there that allows for review of penalties. As pyonir said - a game would take twice as long if you reviewed what happened on every call.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: vi_edit
There isn't another sport out there that allows for review of penalties. As pyonir said - a game would take twice as long if you reviewed what happened on every call.
That's just not true - they have a mandatory review policy in the last 2 minutes of each half and the game happens faster then because of hurry up offenses. If they can do it then, they can do it during the rest of the game. Besides - during the whole game there were only a few questionable calls that would have needed a mandatory review.
I don't disagree that Baltimore's offense sucks - I never questioned that. This is precisely why that call was so important. Baltimore could not score on 8 attempts against a red-zone revolving door (anyone gets through) defense.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: vi_edit
There isn't another sport out there that allows for review of penalties. As pyonir said - a game would take twice as long if you reviewed what happened on every call.
That's just not true - they have a mandatory review policy in the last 2 minutes of each half and the game happens faster then because of hurry up offenses. If they can do it then, they can do it during the rest of the game. Besides - during the whole game there were only a few questionable calls that would have needed a mandatory review.
I don't disagree that Baltimore's offense sucks - I never questioned that. This is precisely why that call was so important. Baltimore could not score on 8 attempts against a red-zone revolving door (anyone gets through) defense.
The booth review is for the same type of calls that can be challenged during normal play. It's used for possession, in/out of bounds calls, down by contact, forward pass, ect.
It's not for the review and judgment of player-on-player penalties.
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: vi_edit
There isn't another sport out there that allows for review of penalties. As pyonir said - a game would take twice as long if you reviewed what happened on every call.
That's just not true - they have a mandatory review policy in the last 2 minutes of each half and the game happens faster then because of hurry up offenses. If they can do it then, they can do it during the rest of the game. Besides - during the whole game there were only a few questionable calls that would have needed a mandatory review.
I don't disagree that Baltimore's offense sucks - I never questioned that. This is precisely why that call was so important. Baltimore could not score on 8 attempts against a red-zone revolving door (anyone gets through) defense.
The booth review is for the same type of calls that can be challenged during normal play. It's used for possession, in/out of bounds calls, down by contact, forward pass, ect.
It's not for the review and judgment of player-on-player penalties.
Oh no - instead of 8 things, they have to check 9 - it will take way too long. They have to look at the video replays anyways - why make the big distinction between all the things they do check and the few things they don't check.
Again - they don't need to decide on a resolution, they just need to see if the call was questionable.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
You aren't grasping the concept of objective and subjective calls. A players foot on the line or if a QB's hand was going forward at the time or if a ball hits the ground before being caught is a much more objective/black or white call than if a player pushed off or was holding.
Those types of calls could be made on every single down. A player stepping in our out of bounds or the other types of re viewable plays just aren't as common or as hard to determine properly.
Any sport that uses an umpire/referree that is trying to cover more than one thing happening at a time is going to make mistakes. It's just how sports work.