I was not and was not interested in discussing the right or wrong of selling things that ruin people's health. I was interested in relating that fact to the question you raised as to why corporations are not always credited with achievements in other areas that may be positive. We do not, generally speaking, I am never sure about you, credit a mother who keeps a clean house with being a good homemaker if she has also murdered her kids.
I was not and was not interested in discussing the right or wrong of selling things that ruin people's health. I was interested in relating that fact to the question you raised as to why corporations are not always credited with achievements in other areas that may be positive. We do not, generally speaking, I am never sure about you, credit a mother who keeps a clean house with being a good homemaker if she has also murdered her kids.
I thank my wife all the time for what she does. Does she not deserve credit for the good things she does even though she buys too many shoes or waste money in other ways?
Do you always qualify any praise you may give out with a list of negatives?
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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
They let you in too?
Yes Winston, they let me in too.
Good to see you're in charge of this place. Now do you want to talk about the thread topic or are you just here to nef?:evil: J/K :laugh:
How many billions of burgers and fries has McD's served and they just started doing this now? The topic title should be "What took that evil corporation so long" or "Now they think they can call themselves Green?"
I'm surprised they did this without someone suing/forcing them to, so kudos are in order for them. Nobody had to sue them to get them to do the right thing for once.
I'm surprised they did this without someone suing/forcing them to, so kudos are in order for them. Nobody had to sue them to get them to do the right thing for once.
Yeah, I agree to an extent but I'm sure this has been in the planning works for years. This isn't something that can just happen in a month or two. The volume most likely means they will have a pretty decent sized reclaimation refinery. Ever dealt with regulations for those? I've had to deal with them in my line of work. It takes years to jump through the hoops. Plus we now have better technology to refine/produce the biofuels which makes it more cost effective for them to now do something on this large of scale.
BTW, they never said they were green.
It is good to see though that you will atleast credit them with taking a step in the right direction.
Biodiesel has always been pretty cheap. The biggest cost is simply getting the oils to convert to the ester form, which is really the better form of biodiesel. The only other parts are storage/converting facilities for large scale production, methanol and sodium hydroxide -- with the latter two being pretty cheap (I want to say that when the cost of oil is zero, the other two don't even break $1 a gallon). However, as already mentioned, the even bigger one is having a government agree to its use, as it would potentially hurt tax revenues. If you're producing your own fuel, there goes your gas tax.
You are simply, in your myopic way, focused on some detail of a situation rather that the larger issues. I am not interested in praising or not praising a corporation for some aspect of its behavior. I am interested in looking at a corporation, what it does, who it impacts positively and negatively, and trying to determine in some objective and unbiased way its overall effect and desirability in a society. The recycling of a waste product they produce would be just one factor among potentially multitudes of other factors I would look at in trying to formulate an opinion.
I am not, as you seem to be, married, either physically or emotionally, to McDonald's and as such see no reason why I should want to cement any relationship to them via the valuable interpersonal trait of rendering praise. What I am interested in, primarily, is society at large and how most to order our lives so as to benefit the most people in the best way we can discover.
It is an unfortunate fact, but one born out by truth in every direction, I believe, that people who incorporate bring together the sum total of their individual moralities and ethical notions, and that, in a competitive society of the kind we have created, the desire for a dollar seems to work its way to the forefront of too many corporations' bottom lines. It will be incumbent, therefore, in any society which desires not to be preyed upon by a more malicious collection of primarily self interested individuals who might be tempted to put their own financial interests above the good of the larger society they in some respects parasitism, that somebody with equal or greater power keep an eye on them and their behavior. Corporations, you may have noted, spend billions and billions blowing their own horn and proclaiming to the world how great they are through the medium of advertisement. I see no reason, myself, to add to that choir in any other respect than what I just explained above.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah, they joined AFTER I was banned.
Hehe I rarely post but I've been a lurker since 2002. I mostly disagree with CAD's opinion, but I like to read them anyway
So, here's this company that has served dangerous quantities of saturated fat to three generations of Americans while hiding behind happy songs and touchy-feely sentimental appeals, and we're expected to believe they give a crap about anything besides their bottom line? Anybody who walks through their doors is either willfully ignorant of basic nutrition or has a death wish.
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Wow, they'll let anyone back into this place. :thumbsup: Guess the scales have been tilted a bit too far to the left lately. WB CSG.
If the demand wasn't there, they wouldn't have thrived.
Like with SUVs and huge friggin' gas-slurpin' pickup trucks. It's supply & demand.
If you want to drive a battery-powered tin can, you have every right to do so (at least in North America, and I imagine most other places too).
"... death wish."
Getting out of bed in the morning, getting into/onto any vehicle, crossing the street, eating fruit & veggies, hiking, swimming, jogging ... anything can kill you these days.
Wouldn't you rather live a shorter, more fun, life (with real food) than a long, dull, bland life where your only purpose is to make every effort to live longer?
OH boy, more oatmeal and veggies .....Yay life!
You might as well be hooked to a respirator.
Live a little!
Uh, the phased the styrofom containers out in the mid 1980s, mainly because of CFCs, not because people protested.
And, the funny/stupid part was that they protested against the containers as CFC-expanded foam (especially evil because it also allegedly punched holes in the ozone layer), when McD's got their foam containers from a company that uses steam-expanded foam (and they had a method of separating the foam out of the trash so it could be recycled).
"It's not easy being Green"
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