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<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/06/stemcells.immunity.reut/index.html">Cloned cells may 're-boot' immune system
Tests on cows could lead to 'grow-your-own' human transplants</a>


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Cloning technology may someday be able to give patients "re-booted" immune systems, offering new treatments for diseases ranging from pneumonia to multiple sclerosis, researchers said on Thursday.

Stem cells made from cattle traveled throughout their blood, and out-competed their older, native cells, researchers at a Massachusetts biotechnology company told a conference.

The research has not been reviewed by other scientists, a standard procedure in medical science, but the team at Advanced Cell Technology has reported regularly on cloning experiments, including the first reported attempt to clone a human embryo.

The privately-held firm, which has herds of cloned cattle, is also testing the use of so-called therapeutic cloning, which uses cloning technology for medical experiments.

The idea is to help a patient grow new cells and tissues using his or her own cells, eventually leading to "grow-your-own" transplants and other treatments. But the approach is controversial because an embryo must be created and then taken apart in the procedure.

"We used the therapeutic cloning procedure to give old cows new immune cells," Robert Lanza, medical director at ACT, said in an interview conducted by e-mail.

Cattle clones
They found the oldest cattle they could and cloned them.

"These animals were the equivalent of 70-year-old humans," Lanza told the Third Annual Conference on Regenerative Medicine, held in Washington this week. Cattle allowed to live natural lives can survive 24 years and longer.

If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases.
-- Robert Lanza

The clones were not grown to calves but instead stopped when the embryos were just a few days old and still in the lab dish. They were used as a source of embryonic stem cells, which have the potential to become any kind of cell in the body.

"We gave an 1,800-pound (800 kg) animal a thimbleful of cells," Lanza said.

It was hoped these embryonic stem cells would respond to the body's own signals and start to produce immune system cells as needed. Earlier experiments suggest the cells can be directed to migrate to needed areas, producing a variety of different types of cells.

"If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases," Lanza said.

"There are over 40 autoimmune diseases in humans, including multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease and dozens of others."

Blocked research ahead?
He said that 170 days later the injected cells had survived and were thriving in the blood of the cattle. When put into lab dishes, they grew abundantly, much as young fetal cells do.

Immune cells from the bone marrow are already widely used to treat cancer and some auto-immune diseases. But when a patient receives these "adult" stem cells, even from a close relative, he or she usually must take immune-suppressing drugs to keep them from attacking the body in what is known as graft versus host disease.

Therapeutic cloning, also known as somatic cell nuclear transfer, offers a way around this. "The nuclear transfer procedure generates cells that are more youthful, and potentially of far greater therapeutic value," Lanza said.

"The ability to regenerate an aged or defective immune system without the need for drugs, tissue matching or the risk of graft-versus-host disease would have important implications for medicine. For instance, an injection of new immune cells might prevent elderly patients from dying of pneumonia."

Lanza, along with other scientists in the field, fears Congress may soon block the research. One of two competing bills would ban all cloning research involving humans, while the second would allow work such as Lanza's.

But U.S. federal policy, backed by President George W. Bush, is to ban federal funding of such work, which scientists complains slows it down.


"We're all a bit frustrated by the lack of progress -- we should be on the verge of clinical trials by now," Lanza said.
 
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/06/stemcells.immunity.reut/index.html">Cloned cells may 're-boot' immune system
Tests on cows could lead to 'grow-your-own' human transplants</a>


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Cloning technology may someday be able to give patients "re-booted" immune systems, offering new treatments for diseases ranging from pneumonia to multiple sclerosis, researchers said on Thursday.

Stem cells made from cattle traveled throughout their blood, and out-competed their older, native cells, researchers at a Massachusetts biotechnology company told a conference.

The research has not been reviewed by other scientists, a standard procedure in medical science, but the team at Advanced Cell Technology has reported regularly on cloning experiments, including the first reported attempt to clone a human embryo.

The privately-held firm, which has herds of cloned cattle, is also testing the use of so-called therapeutic cloning, which uses cloning technology for medical experiments.

The idea is to help a patient grow new cells and tissues using his or her own cells, eventually leading to "grow-your-own" transplants and other treatments. But the approach is controversial because an embryo must be created and then taken apart in the procedure.

"We used the therapeutic cloning procedure to give old cows new immune cells," Robert Lanza, medical director at ACT, said in an interview conducted by e-mail.

Cattle clones
They found the oldest cattle they could and cloned them.

"These animals were the equivalent of 70-year-old humans," Lanza told the Third Annual Conference on Regenerative Medicine, held in Washington this week. Cattle allowed to live natural lives can survive 24 years and longer.

If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases.
-- Robert Lanza

The clones were not grown to calves but instead stopped when the embryos were just a few days old and still in the lab dish. They were used as a source of embryonic stem cells, which have the potential to become any kind of cell in the body.

"We gave an 1,800-pound (800 kg) animal a thimbleful of cells," Lanza said.

It was hoped these embryonic stem cells would respond to the body's own signals and start to produce immune system cells as needed. Earlier experiments suggest the cells can be directed to migrate to needed areas, producing a variety of different types of cells.

"If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases," Lanza said.

"There are over 40 autoimmune diseases in humans, including multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease and dozens of others."

Blocked research ahead?
He said that 170 days later the injected cells had survived and were thriving in the blood of the cattle. When put into lab dishes, they grew abundantly, much as young fetal cells do.

Immune cells from the bone marrow are already widely used to treat cancer and some auto-immune diseases. But when a patient receives these "adult" stem cells, even from a close relative, he or she usually must take immune-suppressing drugs to keep them from attacking the body in what is known as graft versus host disease.

Therapeutic cloning, also known as somatic cell nuclear transfer, offers a way around this. "The nuclear transfer procedure generates cells that are more youthful, and potentially of far greater therapeutic value," Lanza said.

"The ability to regenerate an aged or defective immune system without the need for drugs, tissue matching or the risk of graft-versus-host disease would have important implications for medicine. For instance, an injection of new immune cells might prevent elderly patients from dying of pneumonia."

Lanza, along with other scientists in the field, fears Congress may soon block the research. One of two competing bills would ban all cloning research involving humans, while the second would allow work such as Lanza's.

But U.S. federal policy, backed by President George W. Bush, is to ban federal funding of such work, which scientists complains slows it down.


"We're all a bit frustrated by the lack of progress -- we should be on the verge of clinical trials by now," Lanza said.

If the research is this promising, they should have no problem finding private funding.
 
Assuming such research will still be legal. And where do you expect the private funding to come from? Pharmacuetical companies own our whole medical industry and they certainly aren't going to fund something that at best will hurt their profits and worst put them out of business.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/06/stemcells.immunity.reut/index.html">Cloned cells may 're-boot' immune system
Tests on cows could lead to 'grow-your-own' human transplants</a>


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Cloning technology may someday be able to give patients "re-booted" immune systems, offering new treatments for diseases ranging from pneumonia to multiple sclerosis, researchers said on Thursday.

Stem cells made from cattle traveled throughout their blood, and out-competed their older, native cells, researchers at a Massachusetts biotechnology company told a conference.

The research has not been reviewed by other scientists, a standard procedure in medical science, but the team at Advanced Cell Technology has reported regularly on cloning experiments, including the first reported attempt to clone a human embryo.

The privately-held firm, which has herds of cloned cattle, is also testing the use of so-called therapeutic cloning, which uses cloning technology for medical experiments.

The idea is to help a patient grow new cells and tissues using his or her own cells, eventually leading to "grow-your-own" transplants and other treatments. But the approach is controversial because an embryo must be created and then taken apart in the procedure.

"We used the therapeutic cloning procedure to give old cows new immune cells," Robert Lanza, medical director at ACT, said in an interview conducted by e-mail.

Cattle clones
They found the oldest cattle they could and cloned them.

"These animals were the equivalent of 70-year-old humans," Lanza told the Third Annual Conference on Regenerative Medicine, held in Washington this week. Cattle allowed to live natural lives can survive 24 years and longer.

If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases.
-- Robert Lanza

The clones were not grown to calves but instead stopped when the embryos were just a few days old and still in the lab dish. They were used as a source of embryonic stem cells, which have the potential to become any kind of cell in the body.

"We gave an 1,800-pound (800 kg) animal a thimbleful of cells," Lanza said.

It was hoped these embryonic stem cells would respond to the body's own signals and start to produce immune system cells as needed. Earlier experiments suggest the cells can be directed to migrate to needed areas, producing a variety of different types of cells.

"If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases," Lanza said.

"There are over 40 autoimmune diseases in humans, including multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease and dozens of others."

Blocked research ahead?
He said that 170 days later the injected cells had survived and were thriving in the blood of the cattle. When put into lab dishes, they grew abundantly, much as young fetal cells do.

Immune cells from the bone marrow are already widely used to treat cancer and some auto-immune diseases. But when a patient receives these "adult" stem cells, even from a close relative, he or she usually must take immune-suppressing drugs to keep them from attacking the body in what is known as graft versus host disease.

Therapeutic cloning, also known as somatic cell nuclear transfer, offers a way around this. "The nuclear transfer procedure generates cells that are more youthful, and potentially of far greater therapeutic value," Lanza said.

"The ability to regenerate an aged or defective immune system without the need for drugs, tissue matching or the risk of graft-versus-host disease would have important implications for medicine. For instance, an injection of new immune cells might prevent elderly patients from dying of pneumonia."

Lanza, along with other scientists in the field, fears Congress may soon block the research. One of two competing bills would ban all cloning research involving humans, while the second would allow work such as Lanza's.

But U.S. federal policy, backed by President George W. Bush, is to ban federal funding of such work, which scientists complains slows it down.


"We're all a bit frustrated by the lack of progress -- we should be on the verge of clinical trials by now," Lanza said.

If the research is this promising, they should have no problem finding private funding.

The problem is that in many cases, the companies will sit on the fence until publicly funded research lays down the groundwork for commercial research. This type of research could take decades, and companies are not likely to commit billions for studies unless they see a payout in the near future. Shareholders expect fast returns now and aren't willing to stick around and see what happens in 20 years.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/06/stemcells.immunity.reut/index.html">Cloned cells may 're-boot' immune system
Tests on cows could lead to 'grow-your-own' human transplants</a>


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Cloning technology may someday be able to give patients "re-booted" immune systems, offering new treatments for diseases ranging from pneumonia to multiple sclerosis, researchers said on Thursday.

Stem cells made from cattle traveled throughout their blood, and out-competed their older, native cells, researchers at a Massachusetts biotechnology company told a conference.

The research has not been reviewed by other scientists, a standard procedure in medical science, but the team at Advanced Cell Technology has reported regularly on cloning experiments, including the first reported attempt to clone a human embryo.

The privately-held firm, which has herds of cloned cattle, is also testing the use of so-called therapeutic cloning, which uses cloning technology for medical experiments.

The idea is to help a patient grow new cells and tissues using his or her own cells, eventually leading to "grow-your-own" transplants and other treatments. But the approach is controversial because an embryo must be created and then taken apart in the procedure.

"We used the therapeutic cloning procedure to give old cows new immune cells," Robert Lanza, medical director at ACT, said in an interview conducted by e-mail.

Cattle clones
They found the oldest cattle they could and cloned them.

"These animals were the equivalent of 70-year-old humans," Lanza told the Third Annual Conference on Regenerative Medicine, held in Washington this week. Cattle allowed to live natural lives can survive 24 years and longer.

If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases.
-- Robert Lanza

The clones were not grown to calves but instead stopped when the embryos were just a few days old and still in the lab dish. They were used as a source of embryonic stem cells, which have the potential to become any kind of cell in the body.

"We gave an 1,800-pound (800 kg) animal a thimbleful of cells," Lanza said.

It was hoped these embryonic stem cells would respond to the body's own signals and start to produce immune system cells as needed. Earlier experiments suggest the cells can be directed to migrate to needed areas, producing a variety of different types of cells.

"If this approach works in humans, it could not only be used to treat cancer and immunodeficiencies, but to 're-boot' the immune system in patients with various autoimmune diseases," Lanza said.

"There are over 40 autoimmune diseases in humans, including multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease and dozens of others."

Blocked research ahead?
He said that 170 days later the injected cells had survived and were thriving in the blood of the cattle. When put into lab dishes, they grew abundantly, much as young fetal cells do.

Immune cells from the bone marrow are already widely used to treat cancer and some auto-immune diseases. But when a patient receives these "adult" stem cells, even from a close relative, he or she usually must take immune-suppressing drugs to keep them from attacking the body in what is known as graft versus host disease.

Therapeutic cloning, also known as somatic cell nuclear transfer, offers a way around this. "The nuclear transfer procedure generates cells that are more youthful, and potentially of far greater therapeutic value," Lanza said.

"The ability to regenerate an aged or defective immune system without the need for drugs, tissue matching or the risk of graft-versus-host disease would have important implications for medicine. For instance, an injection of new immune cells might prevent elderly patients from dying of pneumonia."

Lanza, along with other scientists in the field, fears Congress may soon block the research. One of two competing bills would ban all cloning research involving humans, while the second would allow work such as Lanza's.

But U.S. federal policy, backed by President George W. Bush, is to ban federal funding of such work, which scientists complains slows it down.


"We're all a bit frustrated by the lack of progress -- we should be on the verge of clinical trials by now," Lanza said.

If the research is this promising, they should have no problem finding private funding.

The problem is that in many cases, the companies will sit on the fence until publicly funded research lays down the groundwork for commercial research. This type of research could take decades, and companies are not likely to commit billions for studies unless they see a payout in the near future. Shareholders expect fast returns now and aren't willing to stick around and see what happens in 20 years.


If they are near clinical studies, the ground work has already been laid.
 
I don't have a problem with cloning your own body part. I have a problem cloning a whole person.
 
Originally posted by: her209
I don't have a problem with cloning your own body part. I have a problem cloning a whole person.

I agree, and we are still a long way from cloning individual body parts for animals. Cloning research is far from banned. Stem cell research is far from banned.
 
Well they are not near clinical studies. There are years of research still ahead, and private companies are not going to invest in it until towards the end when it's time to productize the research. That's how it is. Most of the advancements of the 20th century came from publicly funded research. (Internet, computers, etc)
 
Originally posted by: charrison
If the research is this promising, they should have no problem finding private funding.

Spoken like a true expert on the topic....why don't you go find some private funding for them, lets see how easy it REALLY is....
Your assumptions give away all too readily your lack of knowledge on this subject, as with so many other experts-at-everything that post on these forums.

Just because it SEEMS likely that a private funding source would be found for such a cause, you fail to take into account certain key aspects, like, how much money do they need, what is the return on the investment, what are the possible drawbacks of funding a research project like this? Who would be interested in this technology? Would they be able to reliably patent it to ensure a return on the money they invested in this firm?

Contrary to popular belief multi-million dollar private grants are not as abundant as you would have us believe.
 
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Assuming such research will still be legal. And where do you expect the private funding to come from? Pharmacuetical companies own our whole medical industry and they certainly aren't going to fund something that at best will hurt their profits and worst put them out of business.

Time for the pharmacuetical companies to diversify
 
We have an aging population. They will find a way to push this research much harder as their health deteriorates.

Hell, the youngsters of society would be better served by allowing research in this way if it lifts a burden of detriorating health among older citizens. Eventually they will end up paying for the sick and elderly, that is just the natural course of society. This research holds promise in saving untold billions of dollars and lives in the long run.
 
Originally posted by: MadRat
We have an aging population. They will find a way to push this research much harder as their health deteriorates.

Hell, the youngsters of society would be better served by allowing research in this way if it lifts a burden of detriorating health among older citizens. Eventually they will end up paying for the sick and elderly, that is just the natural course of society. This research holds promise in saving untold billions of dollars and lives in the long run.

Yes, but businesses are not interested in saving you untold billions of dollars. They are interested in having you spend those billions so they can make money.
That's why they don't invest in vaccines. They are interested in treating and managing disease, not healing or preventing disease. They want you to be perpetually dependent on their drugs.
That's why the government will need to subsidize this research.
 
Originally posted by: Balthazar
Originally posted by: charrison
If the research is this promising, they should have no problem finding private funding.

Spoken like a true expert on the topic....why don't you go find some private funding for them, lets see how easy it REALLY is....
Your assumptions give away all too readily your lack of knowledge on this subject, as with so many other experts-at-everything that post on these forums.

Just because it SEEMS likely that a private funding source would be found for such a cause, you fail to take into account certain key aspects, like, how much money do they need, what is the return on the investment, what are the possible drawbacks of funding a research project like this? Who would be interested in this technology? Would they be able to reliably patent it to ensure a return on the money they invested in this firm?

Contrary to popular belief multi-million dollar private grants are not as abundant as you would have us believe.


Who was talking about grants, I am talking about venture capital and such. If you have a promising product, you will find more money.
 
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