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<<Thank You Janet Reno>>

I agree 100%! Thank you, dear DOJ, for at least trying to stop the Software Borg.

<<Well, I just sold my microsoft and worldcom stock at a big loss thanks to the justice department.>>

Micro$loth has a long history as a highly unethical, predatory beast of a company. Their breakup is well deserved and long overdue.

You chose to invest in a company for which I have no respect. That's the free marketplace in action. Tough!
 
Actually ThebestMax It is economically irrelevent, what value stocks have, its the divident that counts, &amp; Microsoft dividends are as good as they ever are.

Really short term buying &amp; selling of stocks based on their share values does no more for the economy than people gambling on horses. Now if someone looses money gambling on horses are we spose to feel sorry for them? No. So why should we feel sorry for you.

This whole thing of shares going up in value because of demand &amp; there being demand because they keep going up in value, is no different from pyramid schemes - As long as people keep buying pyramid schemes keep on going up too. Yet look at all these tech stocks, virtually none have ever made a profit &amp; are likely to never make a profit, look at Amazon, its never made a profit. Which means its economically unsubstainable (unless 'economies of scale' cuts in with the net growing at so many percent a month). So basically the last one holding the can looses out.

Really (except for 'pyramid' stocks) unless one plans on selling that particular day, the share value that day is irrelevent. If a company is doing ok &amp; paying a good divended, that's all that matters. I have Telstra stocks, that have been getting record profits every year, yet its share price is up to buggery at the moment, but I don't care - I'm not planning on selling, anyway if I was, I'd have to re-invest the money anyway.
 
Harvey,

I just dont know how to answer this except to say that because of competition we now have programs and computers priced at a level where ANYBODY who wants them can really afford them. Dont believe me? Look at the price of programs for the MAC. Capitalism drives this country and all the well off in the world and the taxes paid by the big companies support the hanger ons.

I am no big fans of Microsoft software, used DOS and still do along with many programs that I had to write to get what I wanted but reality is what it is. To do most tasks, compatibility with your peers is necessary and MS gave us at least that. If you dont want to use IE, disable it, no big thing just like a channel knob on the TV. Anybody with a tiny knowledge of computers, except the DOJ, knows this is true.

Want to talk about respect? With this admin dont even get me started on that.

Their breakup?? Know something that the rest of us dont?? Thats insider trading and illegal.

BTW, Alberta is not a state in the United States!
Somebody in LA should know that, just look at the ridiculous taxes you pay and then go vote for Gore as I am sure you will do.

Dont worry about me financially either as my loss was just of a little of my profit not my principal or is this too capitalistic for you to understand?

Keep cool,just my opinions and you are entitled to yours.
 
DABANSHEE,

You are right. I agree with you almost 100% but I think you missed the point. Didnt mean for you to feel sorry for me at all. I still made a great profit, see previous post, but it was just a way to open up the topic and maybe show the big Government and intervention arent so great. I am a buy and hold guy and against day trading but get scared when I see a company decline in value due to stupidity. A good buying opportinity though, I guess. HAHA

Take care
 
thebestMAX -- Excuse me. I seem to be missing most of your reference points, so I'll just ask WTF are you ranting about?

<<Dont believe me? Look at the price of programs for the MAC.>>

Do you think that maybe that's because there are so many compatible PC's. It has little to do with the fact that M$ has done everything they could legally (which is OK) and illegally (which is not OK) to stifle competition and kill off their competitors.

<<Their breakup?? Know something that the rest of us dont?? Thats insider trading and illegal.>>

Huh? You mean you haven't heard that that's the remedy DOJ is seeking? What rock have you been living under? Are you accusing me of something?

<<BTW, Alberta is not a state in the United States!>>

Did I say something about Alberta? Is she a friend of yours? What did I miss, here?

<<...then go vote for Gore as I am sure you will do.>>

I'm sure I will, too. 🙂

Believe me, I'm not happy with the choice. If I thought it would do any good, I'd just go with my conscience and vote for Nader. Unfortunately, that would be pissing in the wind, and I will not squander a vote against that dimwit from Texas who can't get past words with more two syllables, either because he can't comprehend them, or his attention span is too short. Bush-lite is the guy who put the Duh!!! in duhb-yah!
 
OK, one more time and Ill go slow so you can keep up. I dont rave and rant, BTW, you only interpret it that way.

MAC- Low sales, high prices. To stay in business, they have to charge more. GOOD OLD BOTTOM LINE if you like it or not.

Stiffle competition??? Keep up or die. Even the academian democrats realize this with publish or die.

Breakup?? A suggested remedy, ill founded and thought out, but not a fact as of yet. My rock has a picture window. WHY THE INSULTS??? If you cant discuss something reasonably, do you have to resort to them? Whats next, foul language?

Alberta refers to the haphazzard way you filled out your profile. Look at it. If you have something to hide, dont make it available to the rest of us.

Vote for The Tree with the now wet kissy mouth-- Im sure you will. See, I can insult too and believe me, I AM VERY GOOD AT IT.

Take care, this is not personal unless you want to make it that way.
 
403forbidden,

Huh? What? Who do you think is whining? Try reading the posts before you enter an opinion or at least back up what you say. Easy to say get the BLANK out. Easy to criticise. Speak or be silent, dont nibble like a duck.

 
thebestMAX -- OK. Now, I'll go real slow so you can manage it one syllable at a time.

<<MAC- Low sales, high prices. To stay in business, they have to charge more. GOOD OLD BOTTOM LINE if you like it or not.>>

Great!. Of course, the other half of that thought is PC, the hardware, not the lame, bloated Windoze OS. Many operating systems will run on a PC. OTOH, Apple kept the Mac hardware proprietary, so there is no competition. It also means there is a much smaller market for the software, so of course, the prices for Mac software is also higher. That's a no-brainer.

<<Stiffle competition??? Keep up or die. Even the academian democrats realize this with publish or die.>>

That's true, until you do it by illegal and unethical means. We have laws against such practices, and I'm glad we do. That's why M$ is in court, in the first place.

<<Breakup?? A suggested remedy, ill founded and thought out, but not a fact as of yet>>

Actually, if I had my choice, I wouldn't break them up. I'd blow them up! 😉

<<Alberta refers to the haphazzard way you filled out your profile. Look at it. If you have something to hide, dont make it available to the rest of us.>>

Ah, yes! Alberta! I remember her well! 😀

Actually, I've been on this forum since before it was a forum. I was allowed to be one of the early beta testers before it went on line. If I remember correctly, there was no State/Province space in the original sign up form, and since I know the guy who filled it out (me), I haven't had occasion to even look at my own profile, since then.

In case you didn't notice, until I fixed it, I had both my city and state on the same line. Thanks for pointing that out, though. In fact, it read, Los Angeles, California, Planet Earth. See, I even named my home planet. What's yours? 🙂

<<See, I can insult too and believe me, I AM VERY GOOD AT IT.>>

No you're not. In fact, you're pretty lame at it, but that's just as well. If the best you can do is to keep accusing me of stuff like &quot;insider trading&quot; and having something to hide, you need to go home and practice. 😛

<<Stiffle, haphazzard>>

Speaking of practicing, you should either get the gunk out of your stuck keys or try to locate your spell checker.

<<Take care, this is not personal unless you want to make it that way.>>

Relax. You're nowhere near getting personal with me, yet. That's fine with me. I'd really prefer not to get into serious flame mode. 🙂
 
hello mr forbidden,
maybe you would like to take a small glance at the constitution and see that we are in this country because we can complain when we want. if you would prefer to take things as they are handed to you and have no say in your prosperity or education then feel free to move to cuba.
 
Oh God, Oh God, Oh God,

I am wasting my time trying to get through to HARVEY,

Like your namesake, the big rabbit, why dont you just become as invisible as your ideas.

WTH do you think proprietary software or hardware does or is. You are defending MS when you defend Mac. Cant you see that or is it OK because MACS are Democratic and PCs are Republican. Is that what you think or rather DO YOU THINK?

The next few comments you didnt even answer, just made fun of as all low IQ individuals do when confronted with the truth. Really suprised you didnt curse as well.

What an excuse, didnt check your profile. For what 10 years? Put your credentials on the line, if you have any.

Again, criticise something inconsequential, like spelling errors made in haste to answer you and IGNORE ANY REAL ISSUES like a true democrat. If this were an important issue, spell checking and grammar would be used and perfect. Want to nit pick with me, I dont think so.

Flame me all you like, Buddy, the rest of us here know the truth.

 
A whole lot of well-intentioned, but sadly misinformed points being made here on this thread...

BTW, sorry to hear about your loss Max... hopefully both WCOM and MSFT share prices will stabilize shortly.

&quot;Actually, it is economically irrelevant what value stocks have, it is the dividend that counts &amp; Microsoft dividends are as good as they ever are.&quot;

Well, i guess you're entitled to your point of view on how to value stocks. As an investor, and registered (securities) representative however, i must disagree with your idea that dividends are the sole means for pricing/valuing a stock. But i digress.

And BTW, Microsoft common stock (ticker symbol: MSFT) does not currently, and never has paid a cash dividend. The small amount of issued preferred Microsoft stock does, perhaps that was what you were referring to? 😉

&quot;Actually, if i had my choice, i wouldn't break them up - i'd blow them up!&quot;

A pretty pathetic troll. But let's say that <poof> Microsoft no longer existed, effective immediately. That would remove about $400 Billion in value from our economy, just in terms of Microsoft common stock. And don't forget all the collateral damage (like the MSFT employee payroll, etc.) and you're likely talking over a TRILLION DOLLARS.

Yeah, making Microsoft disappear to suit your whims, owing to the fact that you dislike the company sounds like a REALLY good idea. I've got a better idea for you... if you don't like Microsoft, DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!!!! In other words, stop being a blooming idiot saying you want to blow up Microsoft.

&quot;Really short term buying and selling of stocks based on their share values does no more for the economy than people gambling on horses.&quot;

Another interesting theory. If our economy wasn't based on money, it might even be true. But stock prices DO matter. If my company is priced in the market at 10 times the value of your company, i can buy your company. It doesn't matter whether your products are better, i'm a horrible person, or any other possible reason you could think of, that your company should remain independent. Money (and by extension, stock prices and valuations) are not irrelevant.

Stocks and companies tend to get priced and valued in the marketplace according to the same principles that employees are judged by. A company will be priced highly in the marketplace if it is perceived that the company or its products will provide lots of value to the economy or its customers (and by extension, investors in the company).

Okay, this is already a huge post, if you want to continue the discussion on stocks or the marketplace, feel free, otherwise, i'll let it go here.
 
thebestMAX -- <<Oh God, Oh God, Oh God,>>

Assuming facts not in evidence, Your Honor.

<<I am wasting my time trying to get through to HARVEY,>>

Well, we agree on that. Since you have nothing to say, there's obviously nothing to get through to me.

<<Like your namesake, the big rabbit, why dont you just become as invisible as your ideas.>>

Awww..... I'm so hurt. Bwahahahahaha! 🙂

<<You are defending MS when you defend Mac.>>

I neither attacked nor defended the Mac. I really don't give a damn about it. It's a piece of hardware that I hope works for those like it. Apple's marketing strategy sucked, and they have paid the price in market share.

<<Cant you see that or is it OK because MACS are Democratic and PCs are Republican. Is that what you think or rather DO YOU THINK?>>

OK. I see. More attacks from the little pissant who gave me a ration of sh8 about attacks that didn't exist. BTW, your punctuation is as bad as your spelling.

<<The next few comments you didnt even answer, just made fun of as all low IQ individuals do when confronted with the truth. Really suprised you didnt curse as well.>>

Huh? Are we posting in the same thread? I don't see anything I wrote that makes fun of everyone, and I don't see much in the way of fact or truth in anything you have posted. And what is this fixation of yours with cursing. I can, and I will when I choose to do so, but you seem to have some hangup on the concept.

<<What an excuse, didnt check your profile. For what 10 years? Put your credentials on the line, if you have any.>>

Another meaningless attack. Let's look at a few numbers, shall we? If I had been on this forum for ten years, Anand would have started it when he was eight years old, and we would have been posting on local dial-up BBS systems in very slow text mode.

I actually joined AnandTech something over three years ago, when he was about fourteen or fifteen, before the UBB board. This forum (Fuse Talk) has only been on line a little less than one year. Since you seem to enjoy picking apart my profile, you'll see that I registered on this forum on Oct 9,1999 at 2:12 am.

Now, what do you want for credentials. You can't have my Driver's License or Social Security numbers. I guess you could try looking up U.S. Patent Numbers 4,155,047 and 5,157,350 if you want some of my personal credentials. You do know how to read, don't you? If not, consider that, if you listened to the radio, today, at least any one something you heard, somewhere, probably went through a piece of electronics I personally designed or that used circuits covered by one of those patents.

You want another reference? Click the link in my sig to see something I designed and built for the computer market. You'll even find address and phone info, there.

OTOH, you, my little newbie friend, have been here since September 14th, 2000, 3:39 pm, a whopping six whole days. Exactly who are you, and what have you done on this planet that gives you any standing to take off on me like this, except to mouth off with some lame, shallow misperceptions of economics, politics and social responsibility in business? Unless you have something to show, you're running on empty.

<<Again, criticise something inconsequential, like spelling errors made in haste to answer you and IGNORE ANY REAL ISSUES like a true democrat. If this were an important issue, spell checking and grammar would be used and perfect. Want to nit pick with me, I dont think so.>>

Wrong again, bozo. I addressed all of whatever lean pickings you seem to think constitute &quot;real issues.&quot; I also commented on your spelling. In this thread, I added comments about your punctuation, and now, I'll your add your grammar, both of which also suck. They do make fine representations of your qualifications to comment on anything more significant than whether Mommy burned dinner.

<<... the rest of us here know the truth.>>

Then you really have a problem. :Q
 
Maybe some of you didn't get the point of my original SARCASTIC message....

think: hypocrites


1.
Whenever a liberal/socialist person complains about the
government(police brutality, more social programs, etc)
the typical Republican will respond:

&quot;don't like this country? Get the FVCK out&quot;


2.
When a conservative person is negatively affected by government
(a conservative's stock drops because the Government
enforces justice), the Republican reponds:

&quot;wwaaaaaahhh wwaaaaaaahhhhh.....mommy....waaaaahhh the government is hurting me WAAAAHHHH&quot;
 
Red -- <<... don't piss of Harvey when his bong's run out of water.>>

LMFAO!!! That's the second time you've brought up my bong. Jealous? 😉

Actually, I've been out for months. Hmmm... Maybe that's the problem. 😱

Meanwhile, my problem isn't with Windoze. As bloated and cludged as it is, I can manage it. My problem is with the Software Borg that builds it.
 
Red -- Wait a minute!!! You better be jealous of my bong. I wouldn't share the other with you. 😉
 
Glen1--

Thanks for your comments. When you are right, you are right.

Still have a few shares of MSFT and WCOM tucked away for the comeback, all bought with profits, of course.
 
HARVEY,

Well, I am impressed. Your patents for the Voltage Controlled Anttenuator (May, 79) and Analog Multipliers (Oct 91) made for riveting reading. Think that first one may have expired though. Are they still awarded for 20 years?

Your web site link on the bottom of your posts was also interesting if you are int that sort of thing.

Out of courtesy to you, I am writing this post to inform you that I will no longer answer your posts on this thread if they deal with politics. It was not my intention to get into a pissing contest with anyone on this board. This is no longer fun and fun is what I mainly come here for to escape the stress of everyday life.

Maybe we can part on a friendly basis, maybe not. That is up to you Mr. R.

Have a good day.
 
Max...

I know it's unsolicited advice, but give PAYX a look as a potential investment while you're at it... i've done very well with this stock over the years, and it's VERY stable. Maybe a nice counterbalance to holdings of WCOM and MSFT 🙂
 
Will do, Glenn

Thanks. Have been managing my portfolio myself for about 10 years now (Never had any money before that) and have taken a pretty balanced approach with T-notes, Mutual funds and a few stocks for growth. I like to buy and hold which is increasingly difficult to do in some stocks and just deceided to take some profits before they were all gone. All of my MFs have done over 35% for at least 5 years and my stock investments have tripled so I guess I have kept up with inflation every year and the S&amp;P.

Relly liked your comments on what would happen if MSFT was blown up. Dont know if I included that point in my comments but I did think along those lines while composing.
 
Glenn,

Mind telling me where you work? Am using a discount broker and they are OK but always looking for better.
 
Hiya Max...

I actually work for the brokerage arm of a large bank (which shall remain nameless, i don't need the grief from other posters who might not like our august intstitution 😉 If you're a buy&amp;hold type, definitely give these 2 sites a look - both are fantastic, might work well for you...
buy and hold
Sharebuilder

PM me if there's anything else i can help you with 🙂Best of luck to you 🙂
 
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