Thank you Hyundai!

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What do you think a 10 year warranty is if it isn't a tool to increase sales? Do you think that because a car manufacturer provides a 10 year warranty that somehow their cars are better or less likely to fail than a car with a 3 year warranty? If you do then you are sadly mistaken.

Oh course it will increase sales. But if their cars are piles of crap they aren't going to slap a 10 year warrenty on them, they'll be paying out the ass for those cars forever because they're under warrenty forever. If they did that, they'd go under in a heartbeat from having to eat all those warrenty repairs. In order to make the warrenty thing work, you'd have to make a solid car that didn't need repairs much.

You know, thats what I would do if I were an exec. Unless I was an idiot and wanted to see the company go under. I'm not sure you've even really thought about this. A big warrenty on a crappy car = major profit loss in the long run.

Its no garentee they're good cars, but if it stands to bite them in the ass if they aren't...

I've driven their cars. They are crappy. Hyundai is betting that the profits from increased sales will offset the warranty claims. You are fooling yourself if you think that the longer warranty is offered because the cars are so good that they will not break.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What do you think a 10 year warranty is if it isn't a tool to increase sales? Do you think that because a car manufacturer provides a 10 year warranty that somehow their cars are better or less likely to fail than a car with a 3 year warranty? If you do then you are sadly mistaken.

Oh course it will increase sales. But if their cars are piles of crap they aren't going to slap a 10 year warrenty on them, they'll be paying out the ass for those cars forever because they're under warrenty forever. If they did that, they'd go under in a heartbeat from having to eat all those warrenty repairs. In order to make the warrenty thing work, you'd have to make a solid car that didn't need repairs much.

You know, thats what I would do if I were an exec. Unless I was an idiot and wanted to see the company go under. I'm not sure you've even really thought about this. A big warrenty on a crappy car = major profit loss in the long run.

Its no garentee they're good cars, but if it stands to bite them in the ass if they aren't...

I've driven their cars. They are crappy. Hyundai is betting that the profits from increased sales will offset the warranty claims. You are fooling yourself if you think that the longer warranty is offered because the cars are so good that they will not break.

http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2004037

 

[hysperion]

A 10 year warranty is most definately a sales tool. First off it is usually on the powertrain only. Basically the types of people who drive cars with 10 year warranty's like kia's and hyundais don't beat on them anyways so why would the powertrain be hurting. So basically it's a 5 year warranty on the other stuff instead of 3-4 on most cars. Secondly, these warranties are almost never transferrable. 90% of the people that buy these cars don't keep them for 5 or 10 years anyways so once they're sold, the manufacturer no longer honors the warranty. It IS a sales tool and not one that I would necessarily care for. If you go to a Kia dealer, they will still try to sell you an extended warranty based on the fact that the 10 years is only powertrain coverage. Kia makes terribly refined cars as does hyundai and I've been in both....You're still better off buying a Honda or Toyota but we'll see with this new scion, that may be the budget car to have....

 

[hysperion]

also why do people read that jdpower bs....it is based on initial quality for 90 days....who cares about 90 days I care about the first 3-4 years.....also go read up on what can be considered a problem....WOW Kia is rated higher then porsche this year! I want a Kia now!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What do you think a 10 year warranty is if it isn't a tool to increase sales? Do you think that because a car manufacturer provides a 10 year warranty that somehow their cars are better or less likely to fail than a car with a 3 year warranty? If you do then you are sadly mistaken.

Oh course it will increase sales. But if their cars are piles of crap they aren't going to slap a 10 year warrenty on them, they'll be paying out the ass for those cars forever because they're under warrenty forever. If they did that, they'd go under in a heartbeat from having to eat all those warrenty repairs. In order to make the warrenty thing work, you'd have to make a solid car that didn't need repairs much.

You know, thats what I would do if I were an exec. Unless I was an idiot and wanted to see the company go under. I'm not sure you've even really thought about this. A big warrenty on a crappy car = major profit loss in the long run.

Its no garentee they're good cars, but if it stands to bite them in the ass if they aren't...

I've driven their cars. They are crappy. Hyundai is betting that the profits from increased sales will offset the warranty claims. You are fooling yourself if you think that the longer warranty is offered because the cars are so good that they will not break.

http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2004037

We had a 2003 Hyundai Sonata rental for a week last summer while my wife's car was in the shop. It had 2k miles on it and after driving this little crap mobile around for a week I was most unimpressed. The automatic transmission was horrible (jerky shifts), the engine was loud, underpowered and produced quite a bit of vibration. The truck lid wouldn't close properly unless you slammed it hard and the fit and finish was poor.

I'd rather spend more on a Toyota or Honda and know that I won't be driving it to the dealership for warranty claims than gamble on a Hyundai.

My .02, YMMV

 

[RagingBITCH]

Just poking my head in: in regards to what Jules is saying: from my experience from people I know with Hyundai's - warranty claims are regularly denied on items that shouldn't be denied. I don't feel very good about expecting them to uphold a 10 year warranty claim when they can just blame it on "improper care" or "damage from the road" like they did on my friend's claims. I'm sure it varies from dealer to dealer though.

And in a sense, it is a marketing tool. Their market share was crap before they offered that.

 

[hysperion]

I've also heard about warranties getting denied for stupid reasons from a friend who owns one......I'd never buy one.

 

[ivol07]

I just passed my 3 year 75k miles anniversary on my Hyundai Elantra and it's great. It was a cheap option for what I needed. I drive (or used to) so much that I knew anything I bought would be worthless by the time I was done with it. I needed something reliable with a warranty because my Nissan Altima was crapping out on me. I made the best choice. I've only had to take it in for a broken headlight, and it was all covered by warranty.

Also no one has mentioned the 5 year/unlimited mileage free roadside assistance they give you with every car. 24 hours a day. I once got a flat tire in El Monte at 11:30 pm on a Wednesday and within 15 minutes my tire was changed and I was on my way. All FREE.

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: freesia39
my bf kinda wants the new kia spectra. you should hear him sometimes.

"six airbags!!"

If JulesMaximus is correct about the reason Hyundai is providing the 10 year warranty, then I would run far far away from that vehicle.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Just like that, other companies have improved too, mostly American cars

As for warranties, I could care less about how long the warranty is because Hondas and Toyotas have generally less problems in the long run than most other companies.

 

[Kipper]

If you need to advertise a 10-year, 100,000 mile warranty to get someone to buy something, odds are it probably isn't that good.

Also, these cars have like $30 worth of steel in them.

 

[bleeb]

KOREAN car companies kick ass.

 

[imported_Strang]

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: freesia39
my bf kinda wants the new kia spectra. you should hear him sometimes.

"six airbags!!"

If JulesMaximus is correct about the reason Hyundai is providing the 10 year warranty, then I would run far far away from that vehicle.

haha, yes.

 

[NFS4]

I'll consider Hyundai when their TOTAL overall quality (exterior/interior fit and finish) and RESALE value compares to Toyota and Honda.

Until then, I wouldn't give them a second look. Cars are terrible investements in the first place, but buying a Hyundai is even worse b/c you lose your a$$ when it's time to sell or trade b/c of the pathetic residuals for the cars.

Ohh, more Hyundai news:

Hyundai Admits Major Airbag Problem

F O R T L A U D E R D A L E, Fla., June 23, 2004 ? Hyundai Motor Company admits that its most popular vehicle has a serious airbag flaw that it doesn't know how to fix.

The problem, in the company's 2004 Elantra, is a sensor system intended to prevent the airbag from deploying while a child sits in the front seat. But it's also preventing the airbag from activating for adults who weigh less than roughly 150 pounds and don't position themselves in the center of the chair.

BUAUAHA, pitiful. They can't even fix their own damn problems.

In a technical service bulletin obtained by ABC News, Hyundai advises service technicians to tell customers to try the following in an attempt to activate the airbag: "Turn the vehicle off, place the seat back in the full upright position, sit upright in the seat, centered on the seat cushion, with legs comfortably extended. Restart the vehicle and have the person remain in this position for about 30 seconds."

ROTFLMFAO 😛

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I've had a 2002 Elantra and, while I near my 2 year anniversary with the car, I thought about how far Hyundai has gone in such a short amount of time. Hyundai was once synonymous with garbage but now, after an intense 4 year restructuring program, they're making decent and affordable cars. I think they're only 5 years away from meeting the Toyota and Honda level of quality - that's mighty impressive for a Korean automaker.

Let's also think about what they have done for the industry as a whole. Hyundai's 10 year warranty has forced other companies to increase their warranties to compete - to think, a 3 year warranty was the norm just a few years ago. Their low cost vehicles has also caused the rest of the industry to rethink their approach - would we really have the Scion line if Hyundai didn't exist? Hate Hyundai if you must but their presence benefits all consumers.

That's the end of my rant - I'm looking forward to upgrading to a next generation Sonata once they swap to a new platform with Hyundais new 240 horse power V6. See, that's what I like about Hyundai: the critics pointed out that they can't compete with their weak 170hp V6 so they quickly remedied the situation by investing in a new engine. If only all companies were like that.

3 year warranty is still the norm. 10 year warranties are a sales tool and nothing more.

I'm all for competition but I still don't think Hyundia is anywhere near the level of Toyota or Honda in refinement, fit and finish or reliability.

Oh, and explain to me how a 3 yrs warranty is the same as a 10 yrs warranty? I must have been sleeping in class.

Where did I say that a 3 year warranty is the same as a 10 year warranty? Put the crack pipe down...step away from the computer.

Who's going to pay for a rental car during the 3-4 week repair under warranty? Not hyundai.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Strang

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: freesia39
my bf kinda wants the new kia spectra. you should hear him sometimes.
"six airbags!!"

If JulesMaximus is correct about the reason Hyundai is providing the 10 year warranty, then I would run far far away from that vehicle.

haha, yes.

??? My Honda has more airbags, does it mean it's a lesser quality vehicle? 😕

The reasons they're giving a longer warranty is because:

1) Increase the overall value of the vehicle, and less TCO (total costs of ownership)
2) Hope to increase resale value, because if you sale it after 5 years, it's good to know that the powertrain is still under warranty.
3) Give the consumer more, for less, in an effort to generate interest, in a very competitive market. Call it a gutsy investment.

I don't think Hundai is just gonna try to sell lemons to people for a couple of years profits, but they're in it for the long haul. Granted the quality of their vehicles are not yet up to par, but, what the heck do you want for the money? I'm sure in time (as the OP has stated, may be 3-5 yrs), they'll produce cars to be desired.

 

[ivol07]

04/15/04
Transmissions Prompt Large Honda Recall

Honda is recalling about 600,000 of its popular sport utilities and minivans in the U.S. and Canada because the automatic transmissions may fail, the automaker announced Wednesday.

The five-speed transmissions made in Russells Point, Ohio, near Marysville are used in some 2002, 2003 and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans as well as 2003 and early 2004 Honda Pilot sport utilities. Also covered are 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX sport utilities.

Honda has serious recalls too...

March 9, 2004
Feds Probe Toyota

Federal safety officials are investigating reports that the Toyota Camry and other models may have a defect that causes sudden acceleration surges.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) says it has received reports of 30 crashes that injured at least five people, when some Toyota Camry, Camry Solara and Lexus ES300 vehicles suddenly and unexpectedly surged forward.

This doesn't sound to good either...

No car is perfect.

 

[sillymofo]

Speaking of airbags problems, Hundai is not the only one with them. My freaking main airbag light would come on (Yes, the red light, not the passenger) occasionally when I'm driving, if I have my cell phone on me. I've taken the car back to Honda numerous of times, and was told that this is not a problem, but because of electronic interference 😕, and there are no fix for it. This has been reported by many people.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: freesia39
my bf kinda wants the new kia spectra. you should hear him sometimes.

"six airbags!!"

*smack* go buy a scion 😛

 

[Ogg]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Maybe you can make a movie about it?

:thumbsup:
good idea and use lesbians in this one too!!!!!😀

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: ivol07

04/15/04
Transmissions Prompt Large Honda Recall

Honda is recalling about 600,000 of its popular sport utilities and minivans in the U.S. and Canada because the automatic transmissions may fail, the automaker announced Wednesday.

The five-speed transmissions made in Russells Point, Ohio, near Marysville are used in some 2002, 2003 and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans as well as 2003 and early 2004 Honda Pilot sport utilities. Also covered are 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX sport utilities.

Honda has serious recalls too...

March 9, 2004
Feds Probe Toyota

Federal safety officials are investigating reports that the Toyota Camry and other models may have a defect that causes sudden acceleration surges.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) says it has received reports of 30 crashes that injured at least five people, when some Toyota Camry, Camry Solara and Lexus ES300 vehicles suddenly and unexpectedly surged forward.

This doesn't sound to good either...

No car is perfect.

No one is saying that.

 

[toant103]

240 HP V6 would be nice

 

[MrScott81]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
No one is saying that.

Yeah but people like to bitch about Hyundai's little problems and instantly call them crap. Hence the post about other cars problems.

I could give 2 sh!ts if people don't like Hyundai, it just keeps the demand lower, which makes the cars cheaper...I :heart: my 2003 Tiburon

 

[sillymofo]

On a side note, perceived value is not always true value, do you think a Luis Vuitton bag really worth $1000 or more?

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: MrScott81

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
No one is saying that.

Yeah but people like to bitch about Hyundai's little problems and instantly call them crap. Hence the post about other cars problems.

I could give 2 sh!ts if people don't like Hyundai, it just keeps the demand lower, which makes the cars cheaper...I :heart: my 2003 Tiburon

To each their own of course. You're right in that it's unfair to jump on the Hyundai sucks bandwagon but word of mouth tends to have a certain influence. Your friends all tell you their Hyundai/VW sucks ass, would you ever buy one? I know I sure wouldn't. Maybe they've improved, maybe their CS has improved such that warranty claims are no longer denied, but your first impression tends to leave a lasting one.