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Thank elders for watching Gen X's back

jpeyton

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By Susan Nielsen

I 'm a Generation Xer with 30 years until retirement, houseguests on the way and a Christmas tree still up in the living room. Brooding about Social Security isn't a top priority for me, like most others in my demographic.

So thank goodness for the senior citizens fighting the latest proposals to dismantle Social Security. While those of us in our 20s and 30s stay busy balancing work and family, celebrating the return of carbs and watching "Desperate Housewives," retirement-age people are watching our backs.

The proposed changes wouldn't affect today's senior citizens, as President Bush and other would-be reformers repeatedly say. But the AARP and other groups that speak for retirees, elderly women, minorities and disabled people are fighting back anyway. Older generations know better than younger ones what Social Security is supposed to be: Society's insurance against poverty for the elderly and disabled.

Not a get-rich plan. Not a personal entitlement.

It's a collective benefit that guards against individual hardship. And it works. Social Security is more successful, easier to understand and in better financial shape than any other major federal program. It also has fewer built-in advantages for wealthy people or white men than your typical government benefit.

On second thought, maybe this attack shouldn't be so surprising.

Social Security's biggest crisis came in the early 1980s, when Generation Xers were still kids wearing parachute pants and watching Michael Jackson's "Thriller" video. The system was in trouble, with too many retirees, too few workers and too much inflation. Congress fixed the problem by raising payroll taxes and tweaking benefits.

Workers and business owners hated the tax increase, but the reforms allowed Social Security to do two jobs at once: Underwrite the old age of the Greatest Generation while setting aside extra billions to subsidize the looming retirements of baby boomers.

Little of this registered with us Generation Xers, other than as white noise: Blah blah Social Security blah blah crisis blah bankrupt. We headed to college, rocked out to Pearl Jam and entered the work force.

The mid-1990s brought more talk that Social Security didn't have enough money to cover the long-living boomers. Generation Xers greeted that news flash with a big whatever, since this doom-and-gloom talk was all we'd ever heard.

In the later 1990s, some wanted the government to invest Social Security funds in stocks. That idea didn't fly. Enough people remembered that Social Security, signed into law by President Roosevelt in 1935, came in response to the unexpected collapse of the stock market.

Meanwhile, tortoise-like Social Security stockpiled billions. The Congressional Budget Office now says the program's extra revenue will cover all benefits though 2052 -- and most benefits after that. Surviving baby boomers will be in their 90s and 100s. Generation Xers will be in their 70s and 80s. (My Christmas tree should be down by then.)

Isn't this odd? Other parts of the federal government aren't fully funded through tomorrow, let alone for another half-century. Yet President Bush has singled out Social Security as the nation's biggest crisis.

Bush hasn't revealed his specific plan yet, but he speaks favorably about two changes. One would divert part of workers' payroll taxes into private accounts. That would come with an estimated $2 trillion in so-called "transition costs" that would push the nation further into debt. Backers of this idea say private accounts would more than make up for the cuts in regular Social Security benefits -- assuming the stock market acts like it did in the 1990s.

The other big idea with Bush's support is to change the way people's benefits accumulate during their working years. People retiring several decades from now would see much smaller checks under this cost-cutting change.

But don't worry, Bush tells people in their 50s and above. "First, nothing will change for those who are receiving Social Security and for those who are near retirement," he said in a December radio address.

It's a interesting tactic: Lull the parents and grandparents to sleep, then lunge for the jugulars of the children and grandchildren. Fortunately, it's not working.

Last week, the senior-citizen advocacy group AARP kicked off a massive ad campaign opposing any deep cuts to benefits for future generations. Groups representing women, disabled people and minorities also warned against deep cuts or stock-market gambles: These people depend on Social Security as their sole income more often than able-bodied white men.

Enough opposition from senior citizens will kill Bush's plans. That could turn attention to the more reasonable ideas in Congress. One idea with bipartisan backing would apply the payroll tax to all wages up to $200,000, up from the new ceiling of $90,000. That's a fair way to make Social Security solvent even longer -- by asking the wealthy to pay the same rate as the middle class.

I'll stop now, before boring my fellow thirtysomethings with plans that will change dozens of times before any of us retire. But right now, the system works pretty well: Gen Xers pay a higher payroll tax to finance the retirements of our elders, and our elders fight for us when they see us and our Gen Y friends likely to get creamed down the road.

By looking out for each other, everyone stays out of deep poverty.

Bush may not like it. But Roosevelt would be proud.
 
Social Security is an abomination that is destroying America! The Federal Government has no authority to run any entitlement program, like Social Security, Welfare, Food Stamps, Public Education, eliminate them all. Use the money to build up our Military!
 
Originally posted by: Geardo
Social Security is an abomination that is destroying America! The Federal Government has no authority to run any entitlement program, like Social Security, Welfare, Food Stamps, Public Education, eliminate them all. Use the money to build up our Military!

LOL Just give all that money to Dubya, he deserves it for protecting us from IRAQ's WMDs and their 100 mile range. Or if you'd rather, give it to the blood-sucking Wall Street leeches who will steal all the SS personal investment money.

 
Originally posted by: Geardo
Social Security is an abomination that is destroying America! The Federal Government has no authority to run any entitlement program, like Social Security, Welfare, Food Stamps, Public Education, eliminate them all. Use the money to build up our Military!

Who were you before the ban?
 
Tap your sarcasm meter, there, joshw10...

Or, at least I hope that's what's going on with Geardo...
 
Geardo (and a few other newly reg'ed accounts) are outlets for some PNAC revelers who are getting frustrated that their good-news-well at the administration is running a little dry after the election.
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Tap your sarcasm meter, there, joshw10...

Or, at least I hope that's what's going on with Geardo...
Maybe, but have you read his other posts? If he's a satire troll, he's pretty good at it. It seems unlikely for someone who's only been here a couple of days.
 
Here is the thing. If Bush wants to abolish SS, or shrink it down, he should say so. Not pretend like he is trying to fix it. I think Americans love their big entitlement programs, no matter what they say.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The proposed changes wouldn't affect today's senior citizens, as President Bush and other would-be reformers repeatedly say. But the AARP and other groups that speak for retirees, elderly women, minorities and disabled people are fighting back anyway. Older generations know better than younger ones what Social Security is supposed to be: Society's insurance against poverty for the elderly and disabled.

Not a get-rich plan. Not a personal entitlement.

It's a collective benefit that guards against individual hardship. And it works. Social Security is more successful, easier to understand and in better financial shape than any other major federal program. It also has fewer built-in advantages for wealthy people or white men than your typical government benefit.

On had a 2 hour argument with my dad a few days ago because he could not understand that "Old-age, survivors and disability insurance" was INSURANCE. Simply could not fathom it.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Here is the thing. If Bush wants to abolish SS, or shrink it down, he should say so. Not pretend like he is trying to fix it. I think Americans love their big entitlement programs, no matter what they say.



SS is not going to be abloshed anytime in the near future. But it does need to be retooled to face the demographic changes that have occured since it was started.
 
I really hope they do away with social security. See the thing of it is most Americans like SS, like descresion to be used before sending our troops off to die, like thier children going to good schools, like almost free higher education but in the rights mind this stuff needs to disapear so they dress it up. With "privatizaion and control of your retirement", "WMD's", "vouchers" etc The Democratic Party doesn't offer it much better thanks to the "Republican lite" crowd, the Democratic Party has pretty much been bought off by the same corporate interests the Republicans represent.

What we need is a reality check, and only "third worldish" conditions will give Joe Six Pack that check. We're half way there. We are the larget debtor, we are concentrating wealth in just a few families hands and are removing all constraints ("deregulation") and liabilites (tort "reform") on Business. In our courts the wealthy walk see OJ or Kobe or Ken Lay. In our prisons people get totured. Sounds like Mexico almost to me.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
I really hope they do away with social security. See the thing of it is most Americans like SS, like descresion to be used before sending our troops off to die, like thier children going to good schools, like almost free higher education but in the rights mind this stuff needs to disapear so they dress it up. With "privatizaion and control of your retirement", "WMD's", "vouchers" etc The Democratic Party doesn't offer it much better thanks to the "Republican lite" crowd, the Democratic Party has pretty much been bought off by the same corporate interests the Republicans represent.

What we need is a reality check, and only "third worldish" conditions will give Joe Six Pack that check. We're half way there. We are the larget debtor, we are concentrating wealth in just a few families hands and are removing all constraints ("deregulation") and liabilites (tort "reform") on Business. In our courts the wealthy walk see OJ or Kobe or Ken Lay. In our prisons people get totured. Sounds like Mexico almost to me.
Not yet, but we're heading in that direction.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If that's what needs to be done.



How much are you willing to be taxed to support grandma and granpa? How much are you willing to have your grandchildren taxed to support yourself in retirement?


The demographics that made SS work in the begining have greatly changed. It is time to take into account these radical demographics changes.
 
As much as makes sure we all have a good lifestyle.
Funny how bush rants about making sure we dont raise taxes and turn into europe. lol
When people in europe talk about a crappy job they refer to it as americanized. This country is a joke.
Good health care, clean citys, low crime, homelessness gone, awesome work hours and vacation time to be with family? sure where do I sign up for more taxes!
This country is becoming a third world hole while bush wants less taxes from the rich....

This idiot is running us into the ground and just like nixon republicans soon you will have to eat crow soon.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
As much as makes sure we all have a good lifestyle.
Funny how bush rants about making sure we dont raise taxes and turn into europe. lol
lol when people in europe talk about a crappy job they refer to it as americanized. This country is a joke. Good health care
clean citys low crime homelessness gone, awesome work hours and vacation time to be with family? sure where do I sign up for more taxes!
This country is becoming a third world hole while bush wants less taxes from the rich....



So you support taxing your grandchildren 100% to support yourself in retirement. Somehow I am not surprised.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If that's what needs to be done.



How much are you willing to be taxed to support grandma and granpa? How much are you willing to have your grandchildren taxed to support yourself in retirement?


The demographics that made SS work in the begining have greatly changed. It is time to take into account these radical demographics changes.

Who says we have to raise tax? We could cut them signfigantly by knocking off all the people who don't need Social Security. After all the name itself implies you're flat broke and will starve w/o it. Most every senior I know has a fat annuity or pension in addition to being wealthy, they certainly don't need an anti-starvation measure like SS.
 
Thats how societys work, helping one another. Figures your another selfish I got mine so screw everyone else conservative short-term thinking robot, I am not surprised.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If that's what needs to be done.



How much are you willing to be taxed to support grandma and granpa? How much are you willing to have your grandchildren taxed to support yourself in retirement?


The demographics that made SS work in the begining have greatly changed. It is time to take into account these radical demographics changes.

Who says we have to raise tax? We could cut them signfigantly by knocking off all the people who don't need Social Security. After all the name itself implies you're flat broke and will starve w/o it. Most every senior I know has a fat annuity or pension in addition to being wealthy, they certainly don't need an anti-starvation measure like SS.

Sadly enough if you work around elderly that is anything but the norm for our seniors. It has gotten pretty bad for them last 2 years.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If that's what needs to be done.



How much are you willing to be taxed to support grandma and granpa? How much are you willing to have your grandchildren taxed to support yourself in retirement?


The demographics that made SS work in the begining have greatly changed. It is time to take into account these radical demographics changes.

Who says we have to raise tax? We could cut them signfigantly by knocking off all the people who don't need Social Security. After all the name itself implies you're flat broke and will starve w/o it. Most every senior I know has a fat annuity or pension in addition to being wealthy, they certainly don't need an anti-starvation measure like SS.



Your right, but that of course would cutting bennies for all those that paid in. And AARP is gonna have no part of that.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Thats how societys work, helping one another. Figures your another selfish I got mine so screw everyone else conservative short-term thinking robot, I am not surprised.



Actually no, I would like to support those that have paid into a bad system. However, I dont want to shackle my children and grandchildren with the same bad retirement scheme that we are currently in. I dont know anyone my age that thinks SS will be around when we retirement age.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If that's what needs to be done.



How much are you willing to be taxed to support grandma and granpa? How much are you willing to have your grandchildren taxed to support yourself in retirement?


The demographics that made SS work in the begining have greatly changed. It is time to take into account these radical demographics changes.

Who says we have to raise tax? We could cut them signfigantly by knocking off all the people who don't need Social Security. After all the name itself implies you're flat broke and will starve w/o it. Most every senior I know has a fat annuity or pension in addition to being wealthy, they certainly don't need an anti-starvation measure like SS.

Sadly enough if you work around elderly that is anything but the norm for our seniors. It has gotten pretty bad for them last 2 years.



Why has it gotten bad for them? their benefits ahve only gone up.
 
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