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TH7II vs. P4T-E! Post your comments and opinions....

dbal

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Anyone to explain me what is the story about clock generators? Are there motherboard quantities that are shipped with newer and faster ones? Is it a hardware component of the mobo that can be upgraded or not? How can someone identify his mobo clock generator? I own a P4T-E....
Thanx to anyone who answers!
 
Here you go...check this out.
link
If you don't mind..Why did you get that board?
I am trying to decide between it and an Abit....
I want to clock a P41.6A as high as I can go...
Thanks
 
Short answer: There is NO way to tell which clock generators you'll get unless you look at the board. You can't tell by age or by the presence/absence of audio or by BIOS revision. Only Atacom will check for you, for an extra $20, but they are sort of shady.

There are 2 small chips next to the RIMM slots(one next to each), if the have "ICS" on them they will work at 533MHz(but only by the mobo's DIP switches, and you'll lose the ability to adjust the CPU vCore). If they have "CYP" they won't. Note that even with the CYP chips you can still use a 533MHz fsb, you'll just have to keep the memory at 400MHz.
 
Thanx a lot guys -I just wanna tell you that I checked my mobo and it has the ICS gens on it!😀

PS:Just typical, after all I believe that overclocking with the P4T-E is a hassle.....
 
Anyone know if there is a similar DRCG issue (new vs old) on the Abit TH7II ?

And for that matter, which of the two boards flat-out work better with Northwoods (i.e., with less hassle) ?
 
Here is what I think of my ASUS P4T-E in...... brief:
1.It's one of the fastest (together with the ABIT TH7II) in terms of performance for the P4/i850 combo and probably the leader in quality of design and components plus stability at every attainable speed.

2.There is truly an issue with the clock generators u will find in yoyr mobo probably because of the ASUS facility that your part was manufactured. If the retailer has stock of the mobo and he is willing to help you, do check that the chips near the RDRAM slots (small ones one next to each pair of slots) write ICS on them and not CYP. Everyone says they are more stable and better performers at high memory speeds...If u already own one and you learn the story now like I did 2 days before, I wish you are so lucky as I am finding the ICS ones in mine...!

3. My motherboard with the latest bios version (1005) already preinstalled and proudly written on it, DOESN'T SUPPORT stepless frequency adjustments of the FSB no matter what it writes on the box, in their site (product overview) or anywhere else u might find it. Many people in other forums are pissed with that issue too because we are all feeling fooled and some of them, that might have overclocking as a priority are ready to sell it for the ABIT.....

4. The bios chip is not socketed but surface mounted so u don't have the option to replace it after an unsuccesful flash....

5. OVERCLOCKING. Things have changed a lot compared to the prior P4T for the socket423 P4s but still, in general it remains quite of a hassle with them....
a. Jumperless mode-bios. That's where things are better for the P4T-E but not excellent. You have the 100-133 range avaialable in PREDEFINED STEPS while in the P4T u could go only up to 120 jumperless.We would like a bios update that would allow stepless increments up to 150 or 200Mhz plus adjustments for the AGP and PCI bus other than the default 2/3 and 1/3, as all decent overclocking mobos so everyone can try the legendary stability of it, if needed. Don't be fooled by what is written in the book about the FSB possible configuration range (100-227!!!!). Crap again like the stepless story......
b. Dip switches. Here apply exactly the same settings as the P4T due to the same clock generator, but the thing is that ASUS delberately(?) hides all the info for settings above 110mhz in the manual!! So , you have to download the P4T manual to overclock up to 156Mhz FSB through DSW and access the so much valuable AGP-PCI multipliers. Note that there is no way to manipulate the CPU core voltage this way unless you modify the chip or the mobo by wiring.....

 
dbal~ Thanks for the low-down on the P4T-E. Quite a few 'quirks' for such an expensive mobo! For comparison purposes, I'd sure like to hear some objective views from TH7II users.

From your comments (as well as others), I get the feeling that Asus and Abit are not supporting their i850/478 boards very well. I could be wrong, but it seems that they no longer see the i850 as being worth the time and effort to provide timely updates (i.e., Northwood's been out for 3 months now, and people are still getting boards with misleading packaging, incorrect/incomplete documentation, old DRCGs and non-supporting BIOSes)!
 
I think that ASUS markets its board for quality and performance-overclocking is seriously discouraged if you try to deal with it especially with a tricky cpu like my Wilammete....🙁
 
Your Willamette may be part of the problem, but I don't buy for one minute that Asus discourages OC'ing. BTW, up to now I assumed you had a Northwood (guess I should have checked out your 'beloved system').
 
If ASUS encouraged overclocking I would have the option to access AGP+PCI multipliers through bios cuz by dipswitches I have no way of handling the cpu's voltage that might help lift my Wilammete to 133FSB....In addition, PCI/4 and AGP/2 multipliers are available only for FSB>133 and only through DSW in order I can't overclock to let's say 122mhz without overclocking my PCI bus and much more....
Anyway, I don't care a lot for overclocking but I just search everything and I see that "easy overclocking" with the P4T-E is definitely a hassle....
 


<< ...."easy overclocking" with the P4T-E is definitely a hassle >>

Sure sounds like it to me! ...I can't help but wonder if the Abit TH7II (with it's 'Soft-Menu') wouldn't have been a better choice for you.
 

You might want to check out this thread in which there's some good information on the DRCG's used on the Abit TH7II boards. Clevor also shares some information on DRCG's on the ASUS P4TE boards.

If, like me, you are still trying to decide on an 850 chipset board, then you may consider waiting for the next wave of boards that will support a 133 MHz FSB outright. That ASUS P4T533 sounds like it might be a good motherboard for overclocking a 100 MHz FSB P4.
 


<< ...I can't help but wonder if the Abit TH7II (with it's 'Soft-Menu') wouldn't have been a better choice for you. >>



My ex mobo was an ABIT BE-6 with Softmenu II and it already had the AGP multiplier available in the bios (2,5 yrs before....) plus automatic setting of PCI to 1/4 at 133FSB!!! It's just that
1. ABIT wasn't available here in Greece (bad marketing and distribution)
2. It's not troublefree also-I ve read sth about getting a new bios chip to support northwoods....😱
3. It didn't even cross my mind the thought of buying the 1.6A at the same cost.... 🙁 Had the damn impression that the northwood series started at 2.0Gigs..... 🙁
 
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