TH SI-120 vs SI-128

OatMan

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Have had the SI-120 for a long while and on many cpus

Have been using the SI-128 for a couple weeks now. Here are my thoughs for what its worth.


1. Its Big. Bigger than even the SI-120. Now there is no Fan overhang at all. There is a much larger surface area due to longer and deeper fins, as well as more fins more closely packed.

2. Usual superior TR build quality all the way around including the packaging.

3. I like the new clip mechanism. Its a bit strange at first, but its easier to work with in the case if you have room. The SI-120 was harder to take on and off without removing the mother board. I have a big case (antec P-180) so in a smaller case the motherboard will still have to be removed.

4. The base and mounting surface seems superior to the SI-120. It is a larger hunk of metal and with the new mounting system it is not prone to "popping" up and grinding on the corner of the heat spreader. The finnish on the surface is superior as well, which is really saying something.

5. The SI-128 I thought was supposed to have a copper base, but it sure sems like aluminum to me, as opposed to the 'silvered' copper in the SI-120.

6. The increased density of cooling fins necessarily comes at a cost of increased wind resistence and therefore increased noise. While not 'loud' it is noticeably louder the the SI-120

7. Performance - while I did not expect any performance difference, I am surprised to find that this cooler actually has dropped both my idle temps and max load temps on the cpu. While not by much it is definately measureable. 1 or 2 C. Cool! ;)

8. Because the SI-128 uses the AMD mounting bracket there is an unfortunate side affect. While this is more convenient for peeps with K8 MBs the SI-120 could be mounted in any orientation assuming mother board layout permitted. Not so with the new SI-128. The bracket will allow for only ONE orientation. At least that was my experience. The new thicker Heat Pipes seem to jut out a bit more and therefore must be orriented over the "hump" of the CPU socket. Any other orientation causes the heatpipes to be blocked by the bracket. This completely sucks for me. On My DFI board I had the fan hanging directly over both my RAM sticks. This is now not possible. For many motherboards this won't matter much as the RAM slots are usually on the other side of the socket where the SI-128 must 'face' On the otherhand my PWMIC is now getting tons of air blown over it and has dropped 5C as a result. I only wish this mattered.

Well thats pretty much it. The SI-128 performs at least as good as the SI-120 and perhaps a bit better. The mounting for K8 is more convenient at a cost of less flexibility. I have not tried AM2 or Intel mounting. The drawbacks are minor but not insignificant. For me the loss of the direct air did not affect my RAM performance. My max settings stayed the same under prolonged stress and the sticks don't really feel any warmer but I have to say its really hard for me to tell without some kind of instrument to measure.

Bottom line is its a great cooler and a worthy option for High End air IMO. It is certainly not worth 'upgrading' from an SI-120. But if you want the flexibility of fan options it is a great alternative to the absurdly huge Sunbeam Tuniq Tower.

In most cases if in the market for a HSF for high end air, then its a great choice, but think about your MB layout there is a chance that you may want to go with the SI-120 instead, even though it seems to be a slightly less effective cooler. Peeps with DFI Experts might want to stick with the SI-120 to keep the air hanging over the RAM.
 

dawza

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Thanks for the review!

You state that the increased fin density generates more noise, and I imagine (although I certainly do not know for sure) that under certain circumstances, a cooler with higher fin density might require more RPMs to cool as effectively as a cooler with fewer fins. Have you found this to be true? I suppose another way of wording my question is: Do you find that at certain levels of heat, the SI-128 needs more RPMs to cool to a level comparable to the SI-120?

Another question, if you do not mind: Is the increased noise (due to the tighter fins) very noticeable in a closed case from 3m away (i.e. while sitting on a chair with case on floor)?

 

joseraul

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Nice to have a comparison between the two, thanks for the info. I'll still be happy with my SI-120.

BTW, I think you intended to write "SI-120" in the second sentence on #8, and also on the second mention in paragraph following that one. Just a heads-up. ;)
 

kpamir

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Just received my SI-128 cant wait to set it up on my Core 2 system. Thanks for the comparison, its been a pain trying to find reviews/opinions on this cooler.
 

OatMan

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Originally posted by: dawza
Thanks for the review!

Another question, if you do not mind: Is the increased noise (due to the tighter fins) very noticeable in a closed case from 3m away (i.e. while sitting on a chair with case on floor)?

I have only used one fan. The same evercool 96cfm dual bearing fan I had used on the SI-120 which is now going to another machine.

I'll see what other 120mm fans I have. I don't have any useful intstruments for measuring noise levels or temps or airflow, so I'll try something qualitative if I can.

I without reservation mercilessly refuse to spell check or proof my posts :p
but I did fix the confusion of terms...



 

Bull Dog

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Originally posted by: OatMan
Have had the SI-120 for a long while and on many cpus

Have been using the SI-128 for a couple weeks now. Here are my thoughs for what its worth.



5. The SI-128 I thought was supposed to have a copper base, but it sure sems like aluminum to me, as opposed to the 'silvered' copper in the SI-120. I don't know how concave my SI-128 was, but it performed like crap with my Opty165 (2.6GHz 1.45v and the IHS is verified flat) until I lapped it.......OTOH my SI-120 was flat.

8. Because the SI-128 uses the AMD mounting bracket there is an unfortunate side affect. While this is more convenient for peeps with K8 MBs the SI-120 could be mounted in any orientation assuming mother board layout permitted. Not so with the new SI-128. The bracket will allow for only ONE orientation. At least that was my experience. The new thicker Heat Pipes seem to jut out a bit more and therefore must be orriented over the "hump" of the CPU socket. Any other orientation causes the heatpipes to be blocked by the bracket. This completely sucks for me. On My DFI board I had the fan hanging directly over both my RAM sticks. This is now not possible. For many motherboards this won't matter much as the RAM slots are usually on the other side of the socket where the SI-128 must 'face' On the otherhand my PWMIC is now getting tons of air blown over it and has dropped 5C as a result. I only wish this mattered.

5. It IS copper. I know because I lapped all the nickel plating off on mine.

8. You lost me here. With my old SI-120 I could mount it in a total of 2 possible ways. With my SI-128 I can also mount it in 2 identically possible ways. With my SI-120 on my DFI nF4 Ultra-D I had my SI-120 hanging over the ram. With my Si-128 I also have it hanging over the ram.


I'm working on making a project log of my SI-128 experiences which I should have done in a week or two.

Edit: 100% load processor temps dropped 3.5C with the heatsink change using a DTB low speed 120x38mm fan.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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No zinc plating. They are struck with nickel. This permits soldering of the aluminum fins
to the copper heat pipes. This nickel will also keep the copper base from oxidizing while
in storage. The copper heat spreaders on CPUs are also struck with nickel.


...Galvanized


 

kpamir

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
I bought an SI-128...It was 0.004" concave before I lapped it. ;)


...Galvanized




What tool(s) did u use to find this out? and How can i tell if there is unevenness with mine without the use of such tools, is there any way?
 

OatMan

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Originally posted by: Bull Dog

8. You lost me here. With my old SI-120 I could mount it in a total of 2 possible ways. With my SI-128 I can also mount it in 2 identically possible ways. With my SI-120 on my DFI nF4 Ultra-D I had my SI-120 hanging over the ram. With my Si-128 I also have it hanging over the ram.

I was being lazy and working in the case. Perhaps I'm just retarded :) I'll be swapping the CPU soon and I'll do it right, as I would like to change the orientation. Since the brackets was the obstruction, you prove that I must be mistaken. Assuming everything is the same...

I look forward to your feedback!

Originally posted by: dawza

Another question, if you do not mind: Is the increased noise (due to the tighter fins) very noticeable in a closed case from 3m away (i.e. while sitting on a chair with case on floor)?

Well my qualitative 3m test is that with the case closed and my refrigerator equidistant from me, I can make out the computer if I concentrate on it. The fridge is louder though, and I don't have a particularly loud or quiet fridge. I would say that from 3m the computer (P180 with 4 120mm all at about 100cfm and a DFI stock chipset fan and a zalman vf9000 - all blowing at full) is less audible then other ambient noises and I only notice it when I concentrate on it. I can notice NO difference with the SI-120 that is in a different machine but very similar case.

I guess I'd say that the 128 is only noticeably louder if you are in very close proximity and you are comparing it with the 120 simultaneously. I unfortunately have no instument with which to measure noise with any useful accuracy and precision.

My WAG is that even though there is increased resistence to airflow the 128 will still cool better regardless of fan output. I would be it will cool very well with even the lowest rpm ultra quiet fans.

 

Bull Dog

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
No zinc plating. They are struck with nickel. This permits soldering of the aluminum fins
to the copper heat pipes. This nickel will also keep the copper base from oxidizing while
in storage. The copper heat spreaders on CPUs are also struck with nickel.


...Galvanized

Dang it! I knew it was plated/coated/WHATEVER with some kind of other metal I just couldn't remember which one. Ok Editing post so I don't misinform other people.
 

kpamir

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Hmmmm i took a closer look @ my SI-128's base and there is quite the scratch in it, i hope lapping will remedy that.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: kpamir
Hmmmm i took a closer look @ my SI-128's base and there is quite the scratch in it, i hope lapping will remedy that.


As long as the scratch or fine machine marks *DO NOT* catch a finger nail as it's dragged over the surface your OK.

A good straight edge, like a machinist rule, will determine if the base is flat. Thats what's important. Anything over 0.002" and I would lap it.



...Galvanized
 

kpamir

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Yeah i ran my fingernail over it and it caught it quite good, i was expecting a lil better quality from Thermalright. In addition to that it had quite a few scuff marks on the base.


I just lapped it, if u can call my sorry attempt lapping, and the scracth seems to be gone. I am kind of concerned here though, will the heatsink fit on properly still, ie. will it have proper contact with the CPU still?


BTW lapping is a bitch, god damnit. Also i only went up to 1500grit sandpaper (600,800,1000 and 1500), not really a mirror shine but i dont think that would be a problem.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: kpamir
Yeah i ran my fingernail over it and it caught it quite good, i was expecting a lil better quality from Thermalright. In addition to that it had quite a few scuff marks on the base.


I just lapped it, if u can call my sorry attempt lapping, and the scracth seems to be gone. I am kind of concerned here though, will the heatsink fit on properly still, ie. will it have proper contact with the CPU still?


BTW lapping is a bitch, god damnit. Also i only went up to 1500grit sandpaper (600,800,1000 and 1500), not really a mirror shine but i dont think that would be a problem.


Never go beyond a well used sheet of 800 as it WILL bring up the slightest shine and that's
more than good enough.
Study the PDF on the left http://www.easypckits.com/


...Galvanized