Texas v the Federal Gov't

[brycejones]

Control the numbers on migration.

Define that.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Define that.

Only Scandinavians coming to the states. Because....reasons... :roll:

 

[feralkid]

A vague statement with no quantifiable meaning at all. Try again. Be specific. Use your words.

Any number over the quota we shoot or drown?

(Is that saying the quiet part loud?)

 

[jmagg]

Define that.

Allow less migration.
I dont have an answer, and feel very lucky to have been born here, but all these people need a roof, which are in short supply.

 

[MtnMan]

Texas and Abbott are just performative.

1. SCOTUS ruled the feds can cut razor wire. That is really ALL the ruling says.
2. it does not stop Texas/Abbot from installing more razor wire, but the feds could cut that also.
3. the knuckle dragging MAGA nuts are eating up the fact "Abbot is defying Biden" when in fact he isn't.
4. Reminder... SCOTUS only ruled that the feds can cut the razor wire...

 

[Pens1566]

Allow less migration.
I dont have an answer, and feel very lucky to have been born here, but all these people need a roof, which are in short supply.

How much less? And from where?

If you can't really define/bound the problem, it's really hard to solve it.

 

[brycejones]

Allow less migration.
I dont have an answer, and feel very lucky to have been born here, but all these people need a roof, which are in short supply.

It's funny, the ONLY reason we have a growing population is because of migration and our growth isn't that great. If we want to avoid some of the economic issues that other highly developed countries are facing with rapidly aging populations we need to be allowing more migration, not less.

Let's just call it what it is, people are losing their shit over brown people coming to the US. It's pure unadulterated racism. People are also trying to come here because our long term policies over the last 70 years have totally fucked their home countries, don't we owe them something for that? A certain group of Americans is constantly complaining that "no one wants to work anymore", I promise you the people risking everything to get to our border want to work if we let them. Why not let them?

For anyone curious about census projections of population growth under different immigration scenarios.

U.S. Population Projected to Begin Declining in Second Half of Century

The U.S. population is projected to reach a high of nearly 370 million in 2080 before edging downward to 366 million in 2100.

www.census.gov

 

[dank69]

Allow less migration.
I dont have an answer, and feel very lucky to have been born here, but all these people need a roof, which are in short supply.

So you want the government to do something but you can't say what you want them to do? Sounds like a convenient way to always stay mad at Democrats.

 

[brycejones]

@jmagg if we're stopping people as they cross border, detaining them, applying appropriate Federal law to determine their next steps is that not "controlling the border"? This isn't East fucking Germany where we are going to start shooting anyone who attempts to cross the border. I hope we never become that country despite what many "Christians" want us to do.

 

[Pens1566]

It's funny, the ONLY reason we have a growing population is because of migration and our growth isn't that great. If we want to avoid some of the economic issues that other highly developed countries are facing with rapidly aging populations we need to be allowing more migration, not less.

Let's just call it what it is, people are losing their shit over brown people coming to the US. It's pure unadulterated racism. People are also trying to come here because our long term policies over the last 70 years have totally fucked their home countries, don't we owe them something for that? A certain group of Americans is constantly complaining that "no one wants to work anymore", I promise you the people risking everything to get to our border want to work if we let them. Why not let them?

Not to mention we don't have enough people to do all the jobs that are available (we've been above "full employment" for a while now), and without migrants large swaths of industry will grind to a halt.

 

[Pens1566]

@jmagg if we're stopping people as they cross border, detaining them, applying appropriate Federal law to determine their next steps is that not "controlling the border"? This isn't East fucking Germany where we are going to start shooting anyone who attempts to cross the border. I hope we never become that country despite what many "Christians" want us to do.

And we do this exact thing to the tune of millions per day. It's not like the borders are wide fucking open. They are as closed as they've ever been.

 

[feralkid]

@jmagg if we're stopping people as they cross border, detaining them, applying appropriate Federal law to determine their next steps is that not "controlling the border"? This isn't East fucking Germany where we are going to start shooting anyone who attempts to cross the border. I hope we never become that country despite what many "Christians" want us to do.

What? Gov. Abbott couldn't hear you...too busy drowning children.

 

[Zorba]

A vague statement with no quantifiable meaning at all. Try again. Be specific. Use your words.

I'll translate for you "Make Fox News stop talking about it," i.e. unobtainable.

 

[Zorba]

It's funny, the ONLY reason we have a growing population is because of migration and our growth isn't that great. If we want to avoid some of the economic issues that other highly developed countries are facing with rapidly aging populations we need to be allowing more migration, not less.

Let's just call it what it is, people are losing their shit over brown people coming to the US. It's pure unadulterated racism. People are also trying to come here because our long term policies over the last 70 years have totally fucked their home countries, don't we owe them something for that? A certain group of Americans is constantly complaining that "no one wants to work anymore", I promise you the people risking everything to get to our border want to work if we let them. Why not let them?

For anyone curious about census projections of population growth under different immigration scenarios.

U.S. Population Projected to Begin Declining in Second Half of Century

The U.S. population is projected to reach a high of nearly 370 million in 2080 before edging downward to 366 million in 2100.

www.census.gov

I'll admit, I really hate the process. I am a big support of immigration, but not really a fan of the current process of illegal crossings nor H1B. The biggest issues with both is it creates a lower class of people that are very vulnerable. H1B at least doesn't cause problems to the communities the go to. But having huge numbers of people that have no resources and can't legally work creates a lot of issues to the local communities.

My point is, you can be concerned about border crossing without being a racist. I think we should let people in, I just wish we could do it in a way they were basically homeless and unemployable when they got here. I also wish we would figure out ways of helping out Latin America so people don't feel like they have no choice but to flee to America.

ETA: I think we should give temporary work permits that would allow people to work anywhere, just like a green card, until they either get a full green card or have to go home for some type of violation.

 

[Indus]

People are also trying to come here because our long term policies over the last 70 years have totally fucked their home countries, don't we owe them something for that?

Lets bomb the Houthi homeland and resettle the migrants there - aka the UK Tories Rwanda plan!

/sarcasm

 

[brycejones]

I'll admit, I really hate the process. I am a big support of immigration, but not really a fan of the current process of illegal crossings nor H1B. The biggest issues with both is it creates a lower class of people that are very vulnerable. H1B at least doesn't cause problems to the communities the go to. But having huge numbers of people that have no resources and can't legally work creates a lot of issues to the local communities.

My point is, you can be concerned about border crossing without being a racist. I think we should let people in, I just wish we could do it in a way they were basically homeless and unemployable when they got here. I also wish we would figure out ways of helping out Latin America so people don't feel like they have no choice but to flee to America.

Our current system is designed to be cumbersome, restrictive, and provide lower wage workers to certain industries. My career has been in tech and I hate the H1B system. It's abused at the expense of US workers and those that immigrate here and are stuck waiting for years for green cards and have to put up with being shit on by employers who know they are stuck. Our current system 100% blows for sure.

 

[brycejones]

Lets bomb the Houthi homeland and resettle the migrants there - aka the UK Tories Rwanda plan!

/sarcasm

Nah since it's an invasion from Mexico we should just declare war and bomb Mexico, maybe a nice wall of fire on the Rio Grande.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Go over the wire.

Airlift. Chopper them up off the water to Lackland. Process them as refugees or maybe even citizens, them move them to other cities.

 

[NWRMidnight]

If Biden gets the border under control, he wins, if not he loses. Imo

How can Biden get the border under control when it requires action from congress, which the GOP seems to always vote against?

 

[JTsyo]

Texas and Abbott are just performative.

1. SCOTUS ruled the feds can cut razor wire. That is really ALL the ruling says.
2. it does not stop Texas/Abbot from installing more razor wire, but the feds could cut that also.
3. the knuckle dragging MAGA nuts are eating up the fact "Abbot is defying Biden" when in fact he isn't.
4. Reminder... SCOTUS only ruled that the feds can cut the razor wire...

Yea I think things are being blow out of proportion. If someone is giving orders to prevent federal officers from doing their duty then it's a matter for the DOJ to prosecute them for obstruction. I don't see the need for federalizing the NG or sending in the Army.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

How can Biden get the border under control when it requires action from congress, which the GOP seems to always vote against?

Which Moscow Mitch is balking at because The Don told him to.

 

[Thump553]

Can we define "border under control" please?

Means that if Faux News/News Max/His Donaldship et al STFU about the border. In other words not a f*king chance. Biden and Obama both did far better jobs in controlling the border than Trump ever did, but you would never guess that if you got a constant feed of so-called right wing media. The legit media errs on the side of over-reporting it so they can claim fair reporting.

 

[K1052]

The absolute dumbest fucking people screeching about the border.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750979511737323581

 

[K1052]

I'll admit, I really hate the process. I am a big support of immigration, but not really a fan of the current process of illegal crossings nor H1B. The biggest issues with both is it creates a lower class of people that are very vulnerable. H1B at least doesn't cause problems to the communities the go to. But having huge numbers of people that have no resources and can't legally work creates a lot of issues to the local communities.

My point is, you can be concerned about border crossing without being a racist. I think we should let people in, I just wish we could do it in a way they were basically homeless and unemployable when they got here. I also wish we would figure out ways of helping out Latin America so people don't feel like they have no choice but to flee to America.

ETA: I think we should give temporary work permits that would allow people to work anywhere, just like a green card, until they either get a full green card or have to go home for some type of violation.

Most of the reason we're having a problem is that people who arrive and apply for asylum can't legally apply for work permits for 5 months.

The asylum case backlog itself is unacceptably large but we could mostly fix that through money (hire lots more people to process).

 

[UNCjigga]

Yeah, at this point controlling the border means changing the asylum process, and as both Trump and Biden have demonstrated over the past 6+ years, there is only so much the Executive can do without any new LAWS that govern the asylum process. There’s also international law to consider, but at the very least Congress should be fixing the asylum process.

Catch and release is a version of border control—we should really want those lawfully seeking asylum to present themselves at a port of entry, while ensuring those who illegally enter (meaning not presenting themselves at a port of entry) are permanently at the back of the line. The problem is the amount of time it takes to process asylum requests, the backlog of cases, the lack of judges/manpower to fairly adjudicate the hearings. It provides a disincentive for lawful entry—why do that when I can take my chances with the coyotes and just disappear into the country?