Texas Rape Survivors Billed for Rape Kits

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Carmen813
There is a great deal of empirical evidence supporting rape being under-reported. The overwhelming majority of rape victims (as in, near 90%) never go to the police or any other proper legal authority. So you are looking at a data set where, being generous, 20% of rape victims went to the police and reported the crime.

While it doesn't appear quite that high, it's still very high.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/ncvrw/2005/pg5o.html

A recently published eight-year study indicates that when perpetrators of completed rape are current or former husbands or boyfriends, the crimes go unreported to the police 77 percent of the time. When the perpetrators are friends or acquaintances, the rapes go unreported 61 percent of the time. When the perpetrators are strangers, the rapes go unreported 54 percent of the time. (Ibid.)

That's a good article. I admit, I just did a quick google, and the first number I saw was 90% for the state of Arizona. There's going to be some variability, but the point remains, rape has a low report rate. Which is why it's so important that we do not make it harder for victims to have rape kits performed by charging them for them.

...and now we've gone full circle

Especially in the age range 10-16.

 

[sactoking]

I enjoy a lively debate. I think rape is abhorrent, but discourse on the statistics behind it shouldn't marginalize the crime, I hope.

Originally posted by: Carmen813
These statistics are based on "reported rapes." However, rape is far and away the least reported violent crime. There is a great deal of empirical evidence supporting this as well. The overwhelming majority of rape victims (as in, near 90%) never go to the police or any other proper legal authority. So you are looking at a dataset where, being generous, 20% of rape victims went to the police and reported the crime.

This report was initially published in 2006 by Kaiser. Of note is the statistic that in 2004 there were 0.3 reported rapes per 1000 people. I don't know if their definition of "people" is women or women and men.

Also of note is the statistic at the end of the article quoted from the DOJ: "According to DOJ, 61% of sexual assaults and rapes are unreported, down from 69% in 1996." If you give the DOJ statistic credibility, as well as the Kaiser statistics, and assume that "people" means "men and women" (thus doubling the rate for women only, assuming that the incidence for men is at or near zero), you still get 0.98 women per 1000 were VICTIMS of rape, reported or not.

The population that the 1/4 to 1/3 (as I said, 1/2 was to high, that includes unwanted fondling and coercion in addition to attempted and completed rapes) figure comes from is college populations.

Is the contention then that college women are 250x as likely to be victims of rape? That's what the numbers would come out to. Given the prevalence of alcohol, lack of supervision, etc. I could see the rate of incidence for college women to be higher than the general population, but not 250x. Heck, double seems like an unlikely rate, and that would put it at 1.8 women per 1000, a rate of <2% still.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: n yusefPlease stop talking. You have no clue what you're talking about. Stop using terms that you do not understand, like Marxist or Gender Feminism. You just sound really stupid.

L-O-L.

Those terms are very commonly used and their meanings aren't hard to understand.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: n yusefPlease stop talking. You have no clue what you're talking about. Stop using terms that you do not understand, like Marxist or Gender Feminism. You just sound really stupid.

L-O-L.

Those terms are very commonly used and their meanings aren't hard to understand.

Son, go apply for an internship in the House of Saud, you'd fit right in. Or the Taliban, they have the exact same ideas as you portray.

For as long as people like you exist, i have an enemy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: sactoking
I enjoy a lively debate. I think rape is abhorrent, but discourse on the statistics behind it shouldn't marginalize the crime, I hope.

Originally posted by: Carmen813
These statistics are based on "reported rapes." However, rape is far and away the least reported violent crime. There is a great deal of empirical evidence supporting this as well. The overwhelming majority of rape victims (as in, near 90%) never go to the police or any other proper legal authority. So you are looking at a dataset where, being generous, 20% of rape victims went to the police and reported the crime.

This report was initially published in 2006 by Kaiser. Of note is the statistic that in 2004 there were 0.3 reported rapes per 1000 people. I don't know if their definition of "people" is women or women and men.

Also of note is the statistic at the end of the article quoted from the DOJ: "According to DOJ, 61% of sexual assaults and rapes are unreported, down from 69% in 1996." If you give the DOJ statistic credibility, as well as the Kaiser statistics, and assume that "people" means "men and women" (thus doubling the rate for women only, assuming that the incidence for men is at or near zero), you still get 0.98 women per 1000 were VICTIMS of rape, reported or not.

The population that the 1/4 to 1/3 (as I said, 1/2 was to high, that includes unwanted fondling and coercion in addition to attempted and completed rapes) figure comes from is college populations.

Is the contention then that college women are 250x as likely to be victims of rape? That's what the numbers would come out to. Given the prevalence of alcohol, lack of supervision, etc. I could see the rate of incidence for college women to be higher than the general population, but not 250x. Heck, double seems like an unlikely rate, and that would put it at 1.8 women per 1000, a rate of <2% still.

NO ONE should every have to be raped regardless of WHAT situation that person is in.

FUCKING PERIOD!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

What does "peer reviewed" mean exactly? "Peer reviewed" by Marxist Feminists and/or Gender Feminists from the Women's Studies curriculum who will rubber stamp anything that advocates a viewpoint that they find to be desirable? "Peer review" sounds haughty but in actuality it's only as good as the "peers" doing the "review".

And with that, I'm out!

Are you familiar with the Alan Sokal Affair? It's a great example of why much of the cultural studies and women's studies material that comes out of academia shouldn't necessarily be taken seriously.

The Sokal affair (also Sokal's hoax) was a hoax by physicist Alan Sokal perpetrated on the editorial staff and readership of the postmodern cultural studies journal Social Text (published by Duke University Press). In 1996, Sokal, a professor of physics at New York University, submitted a paper for publication in Social Text, as an experiment to see if a journal in that field would, in Sokal's words: "publish an article liberally salted with nonsense if (a) it sounded good and (b) it flattered the editors' ideological preconceptions."

Yup! The gibberish paper was published in a haughty leftist journal. He later went on to publish a paper about it called "A Physicist Experiments with Cultural Studies". (Note that as I understand it, Sokal is not a right wing wacko out to make fun of the leftist elements of academia but, last I checked, rather, an avowed socialist.)

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A no is a no and doing what you probably do, get them drunk enough to pass out so you can rape them is also rape.

The problem is that many women say "no" when they really don't mean it and many men have learned to be persistent.

I wouldn't mind meeting you in a dark alley, i would gut you like the fucking swine you are.

Is this an adult discussion or preschooler's playground? Get the F off the forums if you can't tolerate disagreement.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

What does "peer reviewed" mean exactly? "Peer reviewed" by Marxist Feminists and/or Gender Feminists from the Women's Studies curriculum who will rubber stamp anything that advocates a viewpoint that they find to be desirable? "Peer review" sounds haughty but in actuality it's only as good as the "peers" doing the "review".

Peer reviewed means reviewed by fellow scientists for errors, it has held up to scrutiny of others.

I wouldn't mind putting my 870 in your mouth and pull the trigger, the likes of you are not needed on this earth.

Talibans, you, same fucking pieces of shit and i have no problem with all of you dying and i would take pleasure in it if it was by my hand.

The lot of you deserve it.

Are you threatening me over the Internet? Do I need to contact the FBI and Scotland Yard?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Which is why it's so important that we do not make it harder for victims to have rape kits performed by charging them for them.

Given the millions (billions) spent in any state budget on projects easily identifiable as ridiculous, no, women should never have to pay for a rape kit. Who wants to tell a woman to pay for a rape kit when we opted to build a $400,000 monument to Lucky the Seal, a 15 year resident of our local aquarium who recently passed away due to a rotten salmon? priorities methinks.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

(post deleted, accidental duplicate.)

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A no is a no and doing what you probably do, get them drunk enough to pass out so you can rape them is also rape.

The problem is that many women say "no" when they really don't mean it and many men have learned to be persistent.

I wouldn't mind meeting you in a dark alley, i would gut you like the fucking swine you are.

Is this an adult discussion or preschooler's playground? Get the F off the forums if you can't tolerate disagreement.

You may have missed one of my previous posts, where i stated what the OP stated, that the victims would have to pay for the examine.

If she says no, it's no, you have to stop or you are raping her, if you don't get that, let me borrow you my 870 or my 226, blow your brains out because it's less of a loss than a retarded fuck who don't get that a no means no.

After all, that is what this thread is about.

And no, i don't do preschoolers playgrounds, i can promise you that if i were ever to meet someone like you (like a Taliban) in a dark alley, i would not just kill him, i'd give him one below the belly button and i could watch him struggle and hear him scream but i have no patience for the likes of you.

It wouldn't be the first time, it wouldn't even be the 20'th time.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

What does "peer reviewed" mean exactly? "Peer reviewed" by Marxist Feminists and/or Gender Feminists from the Women's Studies curriculum who will rubber stamp anything that advocates a viewpoint that they find to be desirable? "Peer review" sounds haughty but in actuality it's only as good as the "peers" doing the "review".

Peer reviewed means reviewed by fellow scientists for errors, it has held up to scrutiny of others.

I wouldn't mind putting my 870 in your mouth and pull the trigger, the likes of you are not needed on this earth.

Talibans, you, same fucking pieces of shit and i have no problem with all of you dying and i would take pleasure in it if it was by my hand.

The lot of you deserve it.

Are you threatening me over the Internet? Do I need to contact the FBI and Scotland Yard?

Contact the MI6 instead.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

John, are you drunk? Are you open to the possibility that perhaps reading the P&N forums isn't for you or that perhaps you need to take a chill pill and a vacation from the P&N forum for a while?

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
NO ONE should every have to be raped regardless of WHAT situation that person is in.

FUCKING PERIOD!

And this is contributing to a civil discussion how, exactly?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
John, are you drunk? Are you open to the possibility that perhaps reading the P&N forums isn't for you or that perhaps you need to take a chill pill and a vacation from the P&N forum for a while?

Son, i have a daughter, to know that there are sociopaths like yourself who don't get that a no is a no makes me angry.

And when i get angry i get violent and when i get violent i kill people because that is what i do.

That is my job, i'm SAS TFB and if you want to contact anyone about me it's the MI6 you should contact. (well you could try the RAF but you wouldn't get any information besides my general location).

To me, it sounds like you are trying to justify rape, probably because you have committed that crime and now you are trying to justify it.

I hate the likes of you so much that i devoted my life to fight you.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: n yusefPlease stop talking. You have no clue what you're talking about. Stop using terms that you do not understand, like Marxist or Gender Feminism. You just sound really stupid.

L-O-L.

Those terms are very commonly used and their meanings aren't hard to understand.

There are many feminist theories. There is no reason to single out Marxist or Gender Feminism in this thread, because we aren't talking about capitalism or gender rolls.

You know nothing about feminism. Stop talking about it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
NO ONE should every have to be raped regardless of WHAT situation that person is in.

FUCKING PERIOD!

And this is contributing to a civil discussion how, exactly?

A civil discussion about wheter women should be raped or not?

Are you serious?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
John, are you drunk? Are you open to the possibility that perhaps reading the P&N forums isn't for you or that perhaps you need to take a chill pill and a vacation from the P&N forum for a while?

Son, i have a daughter, to know that there are sociopaths like yourself who don't get that a no is a no makes me angry.

And when i get angry i get violent and when i get violent i kill people because that is what i do.

That is my job, i'm SAS TFB and if you want to contact anyone about me it's the MI6 you should contact. (well you could try the RAF but you wouldn't get any information besides my general location).

To me, it sounds like you are trying to justify rape, probably because you have committed that crime and now you are trying to justify it.

I hate the likes of you so much that i devoted my life to fight you.

<Sigh>

If you think I'm advocating or justifying rape then you need to improve your reading comprehension. These threats that you're issuing belittle yourself. Being a member of the armed forces does not justify that sort of behavior on what should be an intellectual discussion forum. You're making yourself look like a barbarian.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: n yusefPlease stop talking. You have no clue what you're talking about. Stop using terms that you do not understand, like Marxist or Gender Feminism. You just sound really stupid.

L-O-L.

Those terms are very commonly used and their meanings aren't hard to understand.

There are many feminist theories. There is no reason to single out Marxist or Gender Feminism in this thread, because we aren't talking about capitalism or gender rolls.

You know nothing about feminism. Stop talking about it.

Sure he does, he knows that when he's raping a woman and she says "no" she doesn't really mean "no".

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A no is a no and doing what you probably do, get them drunk enough to pass out so you can rape them is also rape.

The problem is that many women say "no" when they really don't mean it and many men have learned to be persistent.

I wouldn't mind meeting you in a dark alley, i would gut you like the fucking swine you are.

Is this an adult discussion or preschooler's playground? Get the F off the forums if you can't tolerate disagreement.

And what if they say "no" when they really do mean it? How do you tell the difference?

Rapists should be banned from ATOT.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: n yusefThere are many feminist theories. There is no reason to single out Marxist or Gender Feminism in this thread, because we aren't talking about capitalism or gender rolls.

You know nothing about feminism. Stop talking about it.

I know the difference between "Individualist Feminism" and "Gender Feminism".

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
John, are you drunk? Are you open to the possibility that perhaps reading the P&N forums isn't for you or that perhaps you need to take a chill pill and a vacation from the P&N forum for a while?

Son, i have a daughter, to know that there are sociopaths like yourself who don't get that a no is a no makes me angry.

And when i get angry i get violent and when i get violent i kill people because that is what i do.

That is my job, i'm SAS TFB and if you want to contact anyone about me it's the MI6 you should contact. (well you could try the RAF but you wouldn't get any information besides my general location).

To me, it sounds like you are trying to justify rape, probably because you have committed that crime and now you are trying to justify it.

I hate the likes of you so much that i devoted my life to fight you.

<Sigh>

If you think I'm advocating or justifying rape then you need to improve your reading comprehension. These threats that you're issuing belittle yourself. Being a member of the armed forces does not justify that sort of behavior on what should be an intellectual discussion forum. You're making yourself look like a barbarian.

You have been advocating and justifying rape in more than this thread.

A no is ALWAYS a no and that is where you stop, you don't keep going at that point, regardless if you are just about to enter, a no is a no.

It's not a threat, it's a statement of fact, i don't do threats, i make promises, promises that i always keep.

You can count on that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A no is a no and doing what you probably do, get them drunk enough to pass out so you can rape them is also rape.

The problem is that many women say "no" when they really don't mean it and many men have learned to be persistent.

I wouldn't mind meeting you in a dark alley, i would gut you like the fucking swine you are.

Is this an adult discussion or preschooler's playground? Get the F off the forums if you can't tolerate disagreement.

And what if they say "no" when they really do mean it? How do you tell the difference?

Rapists should be banned from ATOT.

Exactly, if she says no and you are persistent you are per definition of law a rapist.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: n yusefThere are many feminist theories. There is no reason to single out Marxist or Gender Feminism in this thread, because we aren't talking about capitalism or gender rolls.

You know nothing about feminism. Stop talking about it.

I know the difference between "Individualist Feminism" and "Gender Feminism".

No feminist theory supports your MRA rape-apologist BS. To single out particular theories is silly.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A no is a no and doing what you probably do, get them drunk enough to pass out so you can rape them is also rape.

The problem is that many women say "no" when they really don't mean it and many men have learned to be persistent.

I wouldn't mind meeting you in a dark alley, i would gut you like the fucking swine you are.

Is this an adult discussion or preschooler's playground? Get the F off the forums if you can't tolerate disagreement.

sorry but NO means NO. you do not persiste


while in part i agree some "rapes" are bullshit (there was one where 2 kids were having sex. she said now. h econtinued for 3 seconds and was convicted of rape. fuck that).