Originally posted by: TheDoc9
Originally posted by: Carmen813
Doc,
I'll help you with the definition of a straw man. Courtesy of Wikipedia:
"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1]"
I never said everyone who grows up and tried to find out about life is a rapist. I'm not going to sit here and detail every possible situation that is or is not a rape. For one, I am not a lawyer, and secondly, there are infinite possible scenarios. So, you distorted my position, then dismissed rape statistics out of hand based on the false interpretation of my position. Hence, you've built a straw man.
My guess is you didn't bother to actually look up any statistics to find out if I was full of shit, instead you didn't like what you read and decided to make a personal attack on it.
Oh, and by the way, your second post is also a straw man.
1) Interesting. So only a lawyer can tell us what rape is.
2) There was no distortion, I was simply showing you your argument from the mans perspective, as if the situation and sexes were reversed.
3) No, I didn't verify your stats. Any thinking man can use his own mind to realize that this isn't a mad max society of cave people.
I'm also suggesting that you don't know much about women. Not trying to be an A*hole here, just making an observation. That's the reason for that original post. And yes, your interpretation of rape has led me to believe that you see women as helpless, weak and inferior and in need of protection from strong wicked male barbarians intent on forcing women to bear their children.
A lawyer would have a better understanding of the law than I do. Once again, building a straw man. You must have a wheat field in your brain.
Given my limited understanding of the law, the first situation you described would be considered an attempted rape, the second a completed rape, since you did not provide consent. That's by taking a look at exactly what you typed, I can't read your mind. If you read my posts and paid attention, you'd noticed that I said a few times that male rape victims have extremely low report rates. Frankly, I am gender neutral on the issue, rape is rape, regardless if the perpetrator/victim makeup is man/woman, man/man, or woman/woman.
As for your third part (and yet another straw man), there have been quite literally thousands of peer reviewed published research, by men and women, of all political ideologies, across diverse populations, and they all have found relatively the same thing. Rapes among college students are particularly disturbing. Even after reading some of that research I was skeptical, and as a requirement of the class I was taking helped to create and conduct a study on my own campus, including collecting data myself, and I found pretty much the same exact rates. What you've done is make assumptions, based entirely on the fact that you do not like the "idea" of there being that many rapists among us. That in itself is a fairly typical psychological defense mechanism.
As for the part about my knowledge of women, yes, I'm aware that your first post was a thinly veiled personal attack. I'm also aware that rape fantasies and domination are fairly normal and common sexual fantasies, or did you miss the part where I said I was married? That's exactly why I called your first post what it is, which is a straw man.
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