Hopefully this shook up the losing team so much that they now realize they need less suck and more win
but there's also a thing called sportmanship that the coach lacked. it doesn't matter who you play. in any sport the coach is ultimately responsible to show a bit of class and good sportsmanship teaching his players these values. it's ridiculous to think that going 100-0 is by anymeans ok. what does that teach his players? the typical i'm better than you bullshit?
i'm glad they fired his lame ass, and hope he loses any court battle that ensues.
Fingolfin269
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Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
It's a religious school, so I don't have a problem with them firing the coach based on a difference in philosophy, particularly where they achieved a 100-0 score against such a vulnerable opponent.
What confuses me is this quote by Micah Grimes:
How can a 100-0 score be characterized as anything other than running up the score?
Originally posted by: Newbian
Now the coach needs to do the other great American thing... lawsuit.
He's going to need more than just this firing to make out a case worth litigating.
I know nothing of how the game actually played out but is he supposed to start telling his team to intentionally turn the ball over? Intentionally miss shots? Hold the ball? Don't play defense?
The other team is the one that should be ashamed. For sucking. And I'm referring to basketball here.
After they are up 50-0, put in the last 5 girls on the team and run "four corners" for the rest of the game. If there is a shot clock, wait until the last second of the clock to fire up a long jumper. If there isn't just keep passing the ball around for a few game minutes and then take a long jumper.
On defense, play an extremely soft zone that allows the other team to shoot three pointers. When they regain possession of the ball, no fast breaks simply walk the ball up the floor and go back to the "four corners" offense (see above).
Umm no. Have you even played competitive sports on any level outside of the local Y? You don't run a basketball program like this. The very least you would do is put in the subs and stop pressing. You can't tell your team to stop playing because the other team sucks as it isn't fair to your benchwarmers. It's the other teams job to put up at least some sort of competitive fight otherwise they shouldn't even be playing basketball.
Get a clue.
Do you have an actual opinion on the matter or did you just want to write something? How is it fair to the 'good' teams benchwarmers who worked their asses off and never get to play to sub them in and say 'now girls, don't shoot and don't play defense'. Yeah that's just as fair to them as it is to the other team.
This is life. Not everyone wins and sometimes you get your ass handed to you.
I'd be interested to see just how badly they've lost all of their other games over the past 4 years.
AstroManLuca
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Wow that's pretty crazy. Why do they even have a bunch of learning-disabled kids playing normal teams? Can't they play against teams that are closer to their ability level? Then this wouldn't have happened in the first place - I mean, on the one hand, running up the score seems like a pretty bad thing, but on the other hand, playing worse for the other team's sake only to win anyway is possibly even more insulting. No team should have to be so careful about their behavior due to wildly disproportionate skill levels.
Fingolfin269
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WTF are you talking about? What could he have done short of telling his players to just stand there? How freaking classy would that be?
A couple of scenarios for you:
"Hey girls, hold the ball and don't shoot. They suck so this way we won't run the score up but in the end they still know they suck."
"Hey girls, just let them score so they think they don't suck."
This isn't the same situation where in a football game some guy goes out and tells him team to kick a FG just to spite the other team. This is case where, and pay attention to the bolded part, the competition shouldn't have even been on the court.
Well it's obviously true. Get off of competitive sports if you can't be...competitive. Look at their record, they haven't won a game in 4 seasons. You think they would have a clue by now. I'm just hoping this game made them realize their shortcomings.
how long did he keep his startes out there for? did he attemp to put his 2nd team and other bench players when things started to get out of hand? if he did then fine, if not, well, my post stands.
CPA
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I don't consider kids with dyslexia and social behavioral issues borderline retarded. Too much play has been given to these girls' "disabilities". This school has not won a game in the four years that it has played basketball. What's next, set up a game to intentially let them win. Stop playing basketball if you don't want to get whipped!
waggy
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sure there is. play to win. but part of school sports is learnign sportsmenship and teamwork.
this shouldnt have happened. I am sure the other team knew there shortcomings. they are in a "special needs" school to begin with. i have more respect for the players on this team going out when they have yet to score (in 2 seasons i think it said) and play hard then i do for the team that scored 100 points.
Fingolfin269
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And that's the point I tried to make earlier. People are passing judgment on this guy without even knowing what happened. They see 100-0 and assume the guy is an ass for letting his team play basketball. He may very well have played nothing but subs in the second half.
We blew out quite a few people when I was in high school. When our subs, who only got in under these types of situations, went into the game we didn't tell them to just stand there. Hell no they worked too hard to help us starters get to a level that allowed for said blowout. We were there cheering for them to score as many points as they possibly could because they earned that opportunity in the off season and during the course of regular season practices.
"Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons." Any way you look at it, the two teams never should of played each other to begin with. Find out who paired these two teams up against each other and ask them why they would do something like that when it was so obvious the other team was of a much lower caliber.
From personal accounts of the game, the coach kept a full court press going long after half time. It wasn't until they hit about 70-80 in the fourth quarter that they backed off. The point guard on the winning team had 48 points. She would steal the ball nearly every position at half court, and then proceed for an easy lay up.
While a high school with 20 girls probably "shouldn't" have been competing, you can't blame the school for wanting to give the girls the opportunity. They are all just kids after all. When I played sports in high school, my coaches had enough respect to pull the starters out after the game were to get a little lopsided. It gave the benchwarmers a chance that they usually didn't have all that often. While I don't advocate giving free baskets away, the coach should have at least called off the full court press and pulled the starters after the first quarter or two.
While a high school with 20 girls probably "shouldn't" have been competing, you can't blame the school for wanting to give the girls the opportunity. They are all just kids after all. When I played sports in high school, my coaches had enough respect to pull the starters out after the game were to get a little lopsided. It gave the benchwarmers a chance that they usually didn't have all that often. While I don't advocate giving free baskets away, the coach should have at least called off the full court press and pulled the starters after the first quarter or two.
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when students are in a competitive league, especially where a post seaso nmight be involved.
or more importantly, where kids might be playing for a chance at a college scholarship... there is no sportsmanship.
you score every last point, take every last shot. it would be a shame if one of these kids missed a sports scholaship because we have to play "politically correct" sports.IMO this is complete BS!!!
that would have been ridiculous to watch...but it definatly sucks to be blown out of the water like that....i remember losing a hockey game 16-1 once
anyways he should apply to a NCAA team now
anyways he should apply to a NCAA team now
I read this article over a week ago when it happened but it was sort of bad sportsmanship. IIRC, they were up by 50 or 60 and the coach told them to full court press and basically to run up the score. They did this until they hit 100 points with 4 minutes left. And then they did the "pull back" thing with the subs and everything.
Anyway, the coach didn't get fired at all because he ran up the score. That was okay with the school, relatively. He got fired because he talked back to his employees and disagreed with school policy in public. Public insubordination is definitely grounds for firing.
Anyway, the coach didn't get fired at all because he ran up the score. That was okay with the school, relatively. He got fired because he talked back to his employees and disagreed with school policy in public. Public insubordination is definitely grounds for firing.
Anubis
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Fingolfin269
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Based on this and a previous post where they said he kept the full court press going... yeah, the guy is apparently an ass. I don't have a problem with them shooting 3s because after all that's a much lower % shot than the supposed 'easy layups' they were getting.
LTC8K6
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Some of you appear to be missing the point that the other team was composed of learning disabled players...
The game shouldn't have been scheduled in the first place. That was a mistake. The two teams are not comparable in size, skill, or intelligence at all.
The "winning" team should have backed off way sooner and not even played their starters.
What's the point of winning against a learning disabled team 100 to 0? Or even 50 to 0?
It's not even good practice for your starters. It's just a joke.
It's like the Sixers being proud of beating the local boy scout team...
The game shouldn't have been scheduled in the first place. That was a mistake. The two teams are not comparable in size, skill, or intelligence at all.
The "winning" team should have backed off way sooner and not even played their starters.
What's the point of winning against a learning disabled team 100 to 0? Or even 50 to 0?
It's not even good practice for your starters. It's just a joke.
It's like the Sixers being proud of beating the local boy scout team...
Rock Hydra
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Yeah, good. It's a CONTEST, not a deathmatch. IMO the game was over at half time, the 2nd half is to either set a record or something lame, in which they willl conveniently forget that they matched a winless, practically sub-less team....or just to humiliate them. Poor sportsmanship.
Fingolfin269
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Someone in the thread said it wasn't really 'learning' disabled people in the sense of mental capacity. Dyslexia doesn't mean you're dumb or unable to play basketball. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of NBA players wouldn't have been rocket scientists if basketball didn't work out for them.
you ever watch sports dude? in college football, where guys are playing for millions of dollars in draft, they have the common sense to play sportsmanlike
(exception bob stoops and oklahoma sooners)
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