Texas nutjobs going for the gold with schools

[WHAMPOM]

By teaching them the truth? We've taken the constitution and US History out of the classroom (or twisted it way out of line) and they are simply putting it back in. They should be commended.

I know this flies in the face of liberal brainwashing of the nations children and attempting to rewrite history to show America is bad and founded by a bunch of racist rich white dudes but Texas should be showcased as the free state that it is.

Also, this is very old news.

Stop the white-wash, call a rewrite, a rewrite.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

How a argument with Cynthia Dumbar would be like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh33bGAxl58

 

[werepossum]

This is both amusing and disturbing because the libs have been doing things like deleting George Washington from American History text books. (Remember George Washington Carver in six chapters and George Washington in none?) Americans need to rise up and bitch slap both sides when they try to substitute their preferred political correctness in place of fact like science and history.

 

[StageLeft]

By the time you get down to the blurb about Newton and Lockheed Martin it's quite clear that this article is no better than the worst history book could ever be.

I actually gathered that from the article, too.

 

[Jhhnn]

By the time you get down to the blurb about Newton and Lockheed Martin it's quite clear that this article is no better than the worst history book could ever be.

Not that I think it's a really good article, but you're just trying to kill the messenger. Other articles and interviews have been linked and excerpted in this discussion, showing that, yes, Dunbar is a delusional Fundie Loon, as are some of her cohorts on the Texas school board.

Spin it, apologize for it any way you want, but that kernel of truth remains.

 

[nonlnear]

Not that I think it's a really good article, but you're just trying to kill the messenger. Other articles and interviews have been linked and excerpted in this discussion, showing that, yes, Dunbar is a delusional Fundie Loon, as are some of her cohorts on the Texas school board.

Spin it, apologize for it any way you want, but that kernel of truth remains.

Well the messenger needs to be killed. The article is a sorry excuse for writing. It stoops to the same level as the book it is criticizing, and possibly lower. I am not trying to defend anything about this book. I believe it is probably a pathetic excuse for a textbook and deserves all the scorn it gets. I simply refuse to give a terribly written article my deference.

 

[ayabe]

(Remember George Washington Carver in six chapters and George Washington in none?)

No, I don't actually. Nor is anyone removing GW from any textbooks.

Got anything else to pin on "libs"?

 

[Patranus]

LOL @ a blog post.

Everything that blogger is bitching about are really non issues as no one can cite one example of Texas making up history.

 

[Mani]

(Remember George Washington Carver in six chapters and George Washington in none?)

I don't know what you're referring to here, but every history book I had in school had Washington as a centerpiece with Carver as essentially a footnote. I can't imagine you would find anyone these days who knows more about Carver than GW.

 

[Infohawk]

If there's one thing we've learned from this thread, it's that everyone should try to post from credible news sources when possible. In this case, the right-wing partisans are using it to ignore the main issue which has been widely reported in more credible sources.

 

[Patranus]

If there's one thing we've learned from this thread, it's that everyone should try to post from credible news sources when possible. In this case, the right-wing partisans are using it to ignore the main issue which has been widely reported in more credible sources.

Ignoring what issue?

A blogger bitching because they think that something else should be taught in schools?
Liberals bitching because they thing that something else should be taught in school?

You act like Texas is going to publish a text book that is pure fiction and that is simply not true.

 

[Jhhnn]

You act like Texas is going to publish a text book that is pure fiction and that is simply not true.

The creation of fiction is an artform, and can be accomplished using purely factual material. It's all in the portrayal. The Civil War can be portrayed as "Saving the Union" or "The War of Northern Aggression" using the same set of facts, for example...

Even greater distortion can be accomplished by the principles of inclusion and omission, again with a little spin added... Toss out Jefferson and Paine, spin Ronnie as a saint and savior...

 

[Patranus]

The creation of fiction is an artform, and can be accomplished using purely factual material. It's all in the portrayal. The Civil War can be portrayed as "Saving the Union" or "The War of Northern Aggression" using the same set of facts, for example...

Even greater distortion can be accomplished by the principles of inclusion and omission, again with a little spin added... Toss out Jefferson and Paine, spin Ronnie as a saint and savior...

And what makes your spin any more valid then their spin?

 

[jackschmittusa]

Patranus

The same material is covered in numerous publications, both online and in print.

Her book lays out much of what she wants to accomplish. The radio interview I mentioned earlier records her agenda. Other posts have referenced other sources.

So you decide to blow it all off because you don't like the source in the OP. Please comment again after you learn a little about the topic at hand.

And your comment about spin? If there is little or no proof of validity in someone's spin, it may be discounted and disbelieved. Simply announcing a stance contrary the status quo does not put it on equal footing. Everything she has suggested that supports her view is contrived, assumed without actual fact, or distorted. So, IMHO, her "spin" is worthless.

 

[Jhhnn]

And what makes your spin any more valid then their spin?

Well, I wouldn't toss out Jefferson and Paine, for starters...

You know, two of the most influential people of the Revolutionary war period... Jefferson being the principal author of the Declaration of Independence... apparently too trivial a matter for Fundie-whacks to see fit to include in an American History book...

 

[Jadow]

This is both amusing and disturbing because the libs have been doing things like deleting George Washington from American History text books. (Remember George Washington Carver in six chapters and George Washington in none?) Americans need to rise up and bitch slap both sides when they try to substitute their preferred political correctness in place of fact like science and history.

Fucker invented peanut butter. He deserves 6000 chapters

 

[JSt0rm]

Well the dumber you all are the less competition I have so I vote no on any school issues and welcome the dark ages. I will profit from the slow and weak.

 

[werepossum]

Fucker invented peanut butter. He deserves 6000 chapters

LOL! Granted, I love peanut butter too.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

(Pssst ... Cynthia Dunbar is a Fundie Loon)

Ah, that explains why spidey07 agrees with her then

 

[kage69]

Fucker invented peanut butter. He deserves 6000 chapters

Actually, he didn't. GWC did a lot of great things, but inventing peanut butter wasn't one of them. Grinding peanuts into paste had already been done in China, Africa and South America, but IIRC it was a doctor in the old South who gets individual credit for peanut butter. He used it as a protein supplement for his patients who didn't have teeth.

 

[kage69]

Ah, that explains why spidey07 agrees with her then

History, and respect for it, just isn't the strongsuit for the christian revisionist zealots.

They believe they have reserved the right to treat our national history in the same manner they treat their bibles, i.e. "pick and choose," and the practice of creative editing. Disagreement over that can only mean christians are being persecuted, yet again.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Well, they managed to do it. Passed all their crap, but had to put Jefferson back as a founding father.

President of the board was happy to announce that they had tilted the curriculum to the right just as they planned.

 

[werepossum]

Well, they managed to do it. Passed all their crap, but had to put Jefferson back as a founding father.

President of the board was happy to announce that they had tilted the curriculum to the right just as they planned.

They tilted the curriculum to the right? Sounds like they laid that sucker flat.

Actually, he didn't. GWC did a lot of great things, but inventing peanut butter wasn't one of them. Grinding peanuts into paste had already been done in China, Africa and South America, but IIRC it was a doctor in the old South who gets individual credit for peanut butter. He used it as a protein supplement for his patients who didn't have teeth.

Sometimes it's not just who's first, but who's first at the right time, in the right place, with the right system. As with the concept of zero - a Greek astronomer invented the concept, an Indian astronomer recognized its immense importance to mathematics everywhere, and Arab Muslims brought it to Europe, so we give the Muslims credit for it. Evidently peanut butter was the right time, place and system for old GWC.

 

[Jhhnn]

"He who controls the past, controls the future; and he who controls the present, controls the past."

George Orwell, Motto of the Ministry of Information, 1984...

 

[Patranus]

Well, they managed to do it. Passed all their crap, but had to put Jefferson back as a founding father.

President of the board was happy to announce that they had tilted the curriculum to the right just as they planned.

Well if it started tiled left and tiled it right what does that mean?

The "progressive" still cant explain why the violence of the black panthers shouldn't be taught along side the peaceful movements during the civil rights movement or why the unintended consequences of the civil rights act shouldn't be taught alongside of its benefits.

I always thought they should teach both sides of the story not just the "progressive" side.