Texas Mother Punished for 5 years for Spanking Daughter

[OutHouse]

WTFBBQ, that judge is a asshat, not only for the punishment but for his statement.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/news/texas/texas-mother-spanking-6-17-2011_13735817

CORPUS CHRISTI, TX - Sentenced for spanking -- a mother from Corpus Christi, Texas, gets 5 years probation and a fine.

In December, police arrested Rosalina Gonzales for spanking her daughter.

The child was almost two years old.

Her daughter's grandmother noticed red marks on the child's rear end and took her to the hospital to be checked out.

Gonzales was in court Wednesday to plead guilty to the charge after reaching an agreement with prosecutors.

She'll be on probation for five years and will have to take parenting classes, follow all CPS guidelines, and make a one-time $50 payment to the Children's Advocacy Center.

"You don't spank children today. In the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don't spank children. You understand?" the judge told Gonzales.

Gonzales does not have custody of the child or her other two children.

She is working with CPS to get them back, but until the state feels that she is ready, the kids will remain with their paternal grandmother.

Read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/news/texas/texas-mother-spanking-6-17-2011_13735817#ixzz1PqWtBcih

 

[Macamus Prime]

Texas,.. you disappoint me; you let someone named Gonzales into your state,.. and you DIDN'T shoot them before they had children?!

 

[OutHouse]

Texas,.. you disappoint me; you let someone named Gonzales into your state,.. and you DIDN'T shoot them before they had children?!

get the fuck out of my thread troll.

 

[Infohawk]

The red marks stayed long enough for the someone to notice them at the hospital?

It's hard to argue "about kids these days" when it's the grandmother who took the kid to the hospital... Sounds like this was excessive for any generation.

 

[Macamus Prime]

get the fuck out of my thread troll.

In all seriousness, the courts have no place. But, abuse was brought to their attention and they did have to act. Act poorly, yes.

Why didn't the grandmother just call the mother? This could have all been avoided. Unless,.. there really is abuse going on.

 

[OutHouse]

In all seriousness, the courts have no place. But, abuse was brought to their attention and they did have to act. Act poorly, yes.

Why didn't the grandmother just call the mother? This could have all been avoided. Unless,.. there really is abuse going on.

thank you for a on topic response.

 

[Infohawk]

Why didn't the grandmother just call the mother? This could have all been avoided. Unless,.. there really is abuse going on.

I think you're on the right track. I know it's fun to act like courts are crazy retarded and that the world is hysterical but isn't it more likely that the grandmother has her grandchildren's interests in mind and that the court, who heard the whole story, picked up on this?

 

[PokerGuy]

That is absolutely absurd, and that judge needs to be removed from the bench asap. Abuse is one thing, spanking is another. Sometimes there are gray areas, but essentially making all spanking de facto child abuse is insane. Anyone care to venture a guess if this idiot judge is (D) or (R)?

 

[guyver01]

The red marks stayed long enough for the someone to notice them at the hospital?

i would believe this actually.

when my son was 2, he bumped into a table... the "dent" was there for a few hours..

kids aren't exactly elastic. they don't spring right back to shape.

 

[her209]

Why didn't the grandmother just call the mother? This could have all been avoided. Unless,.. there really is abuse going on.

Or it could be that the grandmother had a vendetta against the mother.

 

[Thump553]

I think there is (yet another) one of those legal articles where most of the facts are missing-usually to support some outrageous conclusion the writer wants you to reach. And it's pretty clear what conclusion this Faux News article wants you to reach-that the judge is crazy and out of control.

This lady lost custody of all three of her children. Even under "Texas justice" this doesn't happen willy nilly and without strong reason-or it will never stand up on appeal.

I strongly suspect the spanking was just the tip of the iceberg. I also note she plead guilty (Maybe to reduced charges? The article is again deficient here) and got absolutely no jail time.

It's almost impossible to reconstruct what the truth is from that article.

 

[Infohawk]

i would believe this actually.

when my son was 2, he bumped into a table... the "dent" was there for a few hours..

kids aren't exactly elastic. they don't spring right back to shape.

One was an accident and one wasn't...

 

[PokerGuy]

It's almost impossible to reconstruct what the truth is from that article.

I agree with most of your points, there is a lot of information left out, but this quote speaks for itself. No doubt about the stance of the idiot judge, unless the quote itself is a complete fabrication.

"You don't spank children today. In the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don't spank children. You understand?" the judge told Gonzales.

 

[ichy]

There must be more to this story. Nobody would be jailed just for using corporal punishment on their kids in Texas.

 

[Attic]

The judges statement about parents not having a right to spank sounds like the liberal take of "I know whats best in your situation even though I'm greatly removed from it and base my belief on a fictional high ground of ideology over reality because it feels better this way". If a parent wants to spank, then that's their decision, but it is not an excuse for abuse.

I mostly lean towards the side of "Leave it to the family to parent their child FFS" side of things regarding government getting involved on this sort of issue.

Though in this case for the marks to still be seen on the child's rear, that kind of spanking sounds above and beyond what is understandable for use on a child.

Spanking != abuse, though this sounds like it could be argued as a case of abuse where the physical abuse simply took form on the victims rear end. Spanking shouldn't be an excuse for that.

 

[Texashiker]

Looks like the judge is an embarrassment to the State.

And, it looks like the legal system railroaded her into pleading guilty.

When the lady pleaded guilty, she threw herself at the mercy of the judge, and right before elections. Anytime there is an election people want to act big.

 

[Infohawk]

I agree with most of your points, there is a lot of information left out, but this quote speaks for itself. No doubt about the stance of the idiot judge, unless the quote itself is a complete fabrication.

[/B]

What did we really want to judge to say to an abusive mother? "Don't hit the kid quite as hard? I suggest 10 newtons of force." As a practical matter it makes sense to tell the mother to never hit her child.

 

[feralkid]

There must be more to this story. Nobody would be jailed just for using corporal punishment on their kids in Texas.

No jail; probation and a fine.

 

[chucky2]

Extension cords work better, more chance of connecting with the loops, and your hand doesn't hurt afterwards. Plus the whistling sound is super effective on the psyche...

 

[PokerGuy]

As a practical matter it makes sense to tell the mother to never hit her child.

No, that's idiotic. That's like telling someone who gets a DWI that they are never to drink alcohol. It's wrong. They can have alcohol, as long as they don't drive. Corporal punishment is not illegal, abuse most certainly is. If she is guilty of abuse, she should be in jail. Either way, telling the mother she's not allowed to do something that is within her rights is wrong.

 

[Craig234]

There must be more to this story. Nobody would be jailed just for using corporal punishment on their kids in Texas.

Don't they have kid-spanking contests at county fairs?

I think they canceled the shooting of apples on kids' heads, though.

 

[Infohawk]

No, that's idiotic. That's like telling someone who gets a DWI that they are never to drink alcohol. It's wrong. They can have alcohol, as long as they don't drive. Corporal punishment is not illegal, abuse most certainly is. If she is guilty of abuse, she should be in jail. Either way, telling the mother she's not allowed to do something that is within her rights is wrong.

Do you realize that after a DWI conviction you are usually sent for alcohol abuse treatment? I'm sorry but it does make sense to tell a drunk to stop drinking. In some cases judges are the only authority figure people see. There's nothing wrong with a voice of reason saying "stop hitting your child" or "stop drinking."

 

[sactoking]

Things like this will become more prevalent as phonebooks disappear from US households.

 

[Throckmorton]

Why is spanking kids OK, but if you do it to an adult it's "assault"?

 

[waggy]

judge over stepped his bounds.