BTW, an Iraq that WE created where even more of the children you purport to defend are being slaughtered daily -- many times by our own troops.
AreaCode707
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You make some fantastic leaps in judgment. Really, I'm impressed. It almost makes you not worth talking to, but let's tackle the most obvious, shall we?
Nowhere in this thread did I say I did anything about campaigning for the "anti-child and anti-family policies" or that I support spending money on Iraq. If you've read my, admittedly infrequent, comments in the threads on the war, I am not in favor of it. My personal beliefs are that the people who oppose abortion should each be willing to take in that unwanted child, saving it from "abject poverty" or they are not truly living out what they believe. Thank you very much for your ignorance.
And no, I don't see a difference between a woman who mutilates her child before birth and one who does it afterwards. It's just much less appalling to society's sensibilities if it happens before because they don't have to see it.
It's seems she had a brain tumor that effected her ability to tell right from wrong from what I read in the articles posted here. If this is true then I think some of you need to develop a brain tumor that effects the judgement center of your brains. Hopefully this tumor will cause hallucinations and then we can see how each one of you behave before you all go around passing judgement on this women and call for her death. If they remove the tumor and she is then "cured" of her instanity then she will more then likely regret her actions. Having to live with what she did too her child while under the effects of a brain tumor will be more then enough punishment if you ask me.
One scenario I was recently thinking about.....say all of a sudden, right now, police break down your door and arrest you. They tell you you're being charged with murder. You have no idea what's going on and insist it's a mistake. They ask you where you were last night, and you say you were sleeping. Then they show you a video that clearly shows you committing a murder. They have a knife with your prints on them. You recognize it to be the kitchen knife you recently noticed was missing.
Imagine this happened to you right now. You'd have a whole bunch of people saying skip the trial, execute him now. Some others saying prison for life, others mental institution for life. A few believe you should get treatment and be sent home. Who is right?
Imagine this happened to you right now. You'd have a whole bunch of people saying skip the trial, execute him now. Some others saying prison for life, others mental institution for life. A few believe you should get treatment and be sent home. Who is right?
HamburgerBoy
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- Apr 12, 2004
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Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity? what a f....... insane unjustice... she should be in jail for a rest of her life no matter what condition her brains are - plus its hard to know whats realy in somebodys head... NO EXCUSE FOR DOING SUCH CRIME.. just my opinion
There was a MRI taken of her brain. We or should I say the State of Texas knows what is inside her brain. She has a brain tumor in a part of her brain. She has a type of tumor that is known to cause hallucinations and disruption of the judgment ability. Whether her condition is curable via a operation that removes the tumor, medication that inhibits, decreases, or reverses the growth of this tumor or if nothing can be done is the real question at hand.
Of course we could go the route of most Middle-Eastern religious nations or some other far-out and backwards 3rd world nations and just toss aside medical science and chop her head off.
Maybe you are ignorant . . . maybe you are 15 and have an excuse for being ignorant. Our nation has quite an ugly history of incarcerating people solely b/c we didn't have any other options. Modern psychopharmacology has a made a marvelous difference in the lives of millions of people with mental illness AND their families. It is by no means perfect, some times the drugs don't help at all, some people have developed diabetes, some people will develop permanent movement disorders (resembles Parkinson dz) . . . we've got drugs that put boobs on boys and give old people strokes. BUT . . . a few decades ago these people would have been spending the rest of their lives in a mental institution or prison. I call that progress.
As for the case in Texas, if the tumor was totally removed there's little reason to believe this woman is a threat to others. For the non-squeamish his a description (and pix) of how a neurosurgeon accesses the brain craniotomy. There are several stories on the NPR website about brain tumors and how they affect behavior.
In case you want to educate yourself:
26yo woman with menigioma-induced psychosis . . . post-surgical remission over 2years with NO medication
19yo female astrocytoma-induced psychosis . . . symptoms remit after surgery . . . symptoms reappear after tumor returns . . . psychosis effectively treated with drugs . . . tumor removed AGAIN . . . symptoms gone 18mo followup
Brain Tumor center at Duke
Husband John has a great track record as a loving caregiver. Ignored his wife's symptoms until she went homicidal. Will this behavior be repeated with his custodianship of his daughters? If she receives proper treatment now and survives. Dena should write a book {Alone And Insane In Texas}.
I can just imagine all the people in here foaming at the mouth for her to be executed rounding up the villagers 300 years ago with some torches and pitchforks to hang themselves a witch. People are more knowledgeable nowadays but just as ignorant.
CaptnKirk
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- Jul 25, 2002
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As of Friday . .
<Dallas News>
Dena Schlosser's life-threatening brain tumor could have fueled the religious delusions and hallucinations psychiatrists believe caused her to kill her infant daughter, her neurologist said Thursday.
Ms. Schlosser's tumor was made public last week during a court hearing. Initially, Ms. Schlosser's attorney, David Haynes, said this week that the tumor was on the pituitary gland. A tumor on a pituitary gland could cause confusion and agitation but probably would not cause hallucinations, neurologists said.
Mr. Haynes could not be reached for comment Thursday. He has said that he believes the tumor contributed to Ms. Schlosser's actions the day Maggie died.
Her neurologist said Thursday that the growth ? in her mid-brain ? could have exacerbated the complex delusions and hallucinations caused by her postpartum psychosis.
"It [the tumor] would further disturb her sense of reality," said the neurologist, Dr. Paul Flavill, who examined Ms. Schlosser, 37. He has an office in McKinney.
Ms. Schlosser admitted killing 10-month-old Maggie by severing the baby's arms in the family's Plano home in November 2004 while listening to religious hymns.
It is unclear whether Ms. Schlosser had the tumor the day Maggie died, but Dr. Flavill said he believes she did.
The brain scan that shows the "shadow" was taken in April 2005. He said there was no change in the tumor's size between that scan and the one he ordered last month. Dr. Flavill said the tumor is slow-growing.
State District Judge Chris Oldner is expected to announce a verdict today in Ms. Schlosser's second capital murder trial. The first ended in a mistrial after a jury deadlocked 10-2 in favor of not guilty by reason of insanity.
<Dallas News>
Dena Schlosser's life-threatening brain tumor could have fueled the religious delusions and hallucinations psychiatrists believe caused her to kill her infant daughter, her neurologist said Thursday.
Ms. Schlosser's tumor was made public last week during a court hearing. Initially, Ms. Schlosser's attorney, David Haynes, said this week that the tumor was on the pituitary gland. A tumor on a pituitary gland could cause confusion and agitation but probably would not cause hallucinations, neurologists said.
Mr. Haynes could not be reached for comment Thursday. He has said that he believes the tumor contributed to Ms. Schlosser's actions the day Maggie died.
Her neurologist said Thursday that the growth ? in her mid-brain ? could have exacerbated the complex delusions and hallucinations caused by her postpartum psychosis.
"It [the tumor] would further disturb her sense of reality," said the neurologist, Dr. Paul Flavill, who examined Ms. Schlosser, 37. He has an office in McKinney.
Ms. Schlosser admitted killing 10-month-old Maggie by severing the baby's arms in the family's Plano home in November 2004 while listening to religious hymns.
It is unclear whether Ms. Schlosser had the tumor the day Maggie died, but Dr. Flavill said he believes she did.
The brain scan that shows the "shadow" was taken in April 2005. He said there was no change in the tumor's size between that scan and the one he ordered last month. Dr. Flavill said the tumor is slow-growing.
State District Judge Chris Oldner is expected to announce a verdict today in Ms. Schlosser's second capital murder trial. The first ended in a mistrial after a jury deadlocked 10-2 in favor of not guilty by reason of insanity.
AreaCode707
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But do you understand that if she really has a mental issue, SHE didn't do the crime. Her body did, her mind didn't. If she's treated and cured and then locked up, you are locking up a person who never consciously committed a crime.
Putting somebody under permanent treatment in a mental facility I can understand, but punishing somebody for something they never chose to do seems to me the epitome of unreasonable.
You know, "Not Guilty By Way Of Insanity" means "You Get Locked Up In A State Mental Hospital For Your Whole Miserable Life". It's not exactly getting off scot-free.
Whatever, that little girl will never have a chance to live her life and she died a truly horrendous death at her own mother's hand.
I'm not at all surprised that her attorney suddenly found a medical condition to "justify" or "excuse" this woman' actions. I wonder how many people have been put to death in Texas and other states who had similar conditions that went undiagnosed because they didn't happen to be "a good Christian woman"?
I'm not at all surprised that her attorney suddenly found a medical condition to "justify" or "excuse" this woman' actions. I wonder how many people have been put to death in Texas and other states who had similar conditions that went undiagnosed because they didn't happen to be "a good Christian woman"?
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