Texas Legislature: anti-trans athelete bill implodes against anti-EV bill - both go down in flames

[Paratus]

Client Challenge

The anti-trans athlete bill would have prevented trans school kids from playing on their preffered gender based team ostensibly to protect girls from being hurt by trans-girls. No evidence of these injuries has been reported
The anti-EV bill taxes electric and hybrid electric vehicles each year they are registered to help pay for road infrastructure. This is a good thing in the abstract but in this specific case, depending on how the fees stacked, an EV owner would pay 50%-400% more on registrations fees than a heavier gas pickup would on TX gas taxes.

After the anti-trans bill got hung up the author threatend to stop the EV bill if the author of the EV bill didn't support a vote on the anti-trans bill.
"Supporters of the bill, such as Rep. Bryan Slaton, R-Royse City, have been trying to attach amendments targeting transgender student athletes to other pieces of legislation.

On Monday, Slaton raised a point of order about a Senate bill carried by Rep. Terry Canales, D-Edinburg, that would impose a fee on electric vehicles — but said he would remove it if a vote was taken on the transgender sports bill. The point of order was sustained, and the electric vehicle bill was returned to the Calendars Committee and failed to receive a vote.

Canales took to social media shortly after to condemn Slaton’s attempt.
“Rep. Slaton calls a point of order on my SB 1728, and says he will withdraw his point of order if I can get the Speaker to call a vote on his Anti-Transgender Kids Bill,” Rep. Canales said in a Tweet. “My answer, kill my bill, BIGOT!”"

So both bills failed before the deadline and would have to be brought back during a special session later this year or wait until 2023.

Spoiler

 

[K1052]

The Gov is certainly going to call a special session in the fall but given how utterly messy the TX leg is getting a lot of the stuff that's been left out in regular session passed probably isn't going to be so easy either.

 

[Paratus]

The Gov is certainly going to call a special session in the fall but given how utterly messy the TX leg is getting a lot of the stuff that's been left out in regular session passed probably isn't going to be so easy either.

SB7, the anti-voter stuff, has to be in that special session if the TX GOP are going to continue to have a chance in future elections. I’m not sure what else that got dropped at the end of this session will make it in to the special session.

The EV registration bill was authored by a dem, (I wonder who his donors are), so that’s probably not a shoe in.

The anti-trans bill might be since the hardcore right will like it. However it could backfire like the bathroom bills did by bringing up a lot of negative publicity and taking away time and effort for passing SB7 which already is going to have a lot of negative publicity.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I think these are simply best to be local decisions.
I point to this article frequently because it is a possibility but obviously dependent upon the sport. What does apply is a born male will have more muscle.
There is debate about whether she broke her opponents skull or broke facial bones but regardless those are top end injuries.
Her opponent stated and an older article she has sparred with plenty of women and some men, she was never hit as hard as this fight.

Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent's Skull - Attack The Back

If you didn’t know about Fallon Fox, she is probably the most well-known transgender female wrestler in the world and is also a former MMA ... <a title="Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent’s Skull" class="read-more"...

www.attacktheback.com

I sort of feel one rule for all doesn’t work well in these situations.

 

[Matt390]

>The anti-EV bill taxes electric and hybrid electric vehicles each year they are registered to help pay for road infrastructure. This is a good thing in the abstract but in this specific case, depending on how the fees stacked, an EV owner would pay 50%-400% more on registrations fees than a heavier gas pickup would on TX gas taxes.


It's not. Truckers should be paying for road wear. It's proportional to cube of the axel weight. Personal vehicles are overpaying, while businesses are grossly underpaying.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think these are simply best to be local decisions.
I point to this article frequently because it is a possibility but obviously dependent upon the sport. What does apply is a born male will have more muscle.
There is debate about whether she broke her opponents skull or broke facial bones but regardless those are top end injuries.
Her opponent stated and an older article she has sparred with plenty of women and some men, she was never hit as hard as this fight.

Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent's Skull - Attack The Back

If you didn’t know about Fallon Fox, she is probably the most well-known transgender female wrestler in the world and is also a former MMA ... <a title="Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent’s Skull" class="read-more"...

www.attacktheback.com

I sort of feel one rule for all doesn’t work well in these situations.

Compromise: transgender allowed, born women can juice.

 

[Paratus]

>The anti-EV bill taxes electric and hybrid electric vehicles each year they are registered to help pay for road infrastructure. This is a good thing in the abstract but in this specific case, depending on how the fees stacked, an EV owner would pay 50%-400% more on registrations fees than a heavier gas pickup would on TX gas taxes.


It's not. Truckers should be paying for road wear. It's proportional to cube of the axel weight. Personal vehicles are overpaying, while businesses are grossly underpaying.

That's my point. A 4000lb Tesla M3 will pay $340 ($190 registration fee + %150 mileage fee) a year for 10K miles while a 6000lb 18 mpg SUV will pay $165 ($54 registration +$0.30 $0.20 per gallon of gas tax).

It gets worse when you compare the upcoming F150 electric vs a regular F150. The electric is over 6000lbs so total goes up $430 ($240 registration + $190 mileage fee) vs $185 $140.

EVs will pay much more than any gas vehicle. It's punitive.

(Edit I was using 30 cents for gas tax, it's actually 20 cents in Texas so the disparity is even worse.

 

[Fenixgoon]

That's my point. A 4000lb Tesla M3 will pay $340 ($190 registration fee + %150 mileage fee) a year for 10K miles while a 6000lb 18 mpg SUV will pay $220 ($54 registration + $0.30 per gallon of gas tax).

It gets worse when you compare the upcoming F150 electric vs a regular F150. The electric is over 6000lbs so total goes up $430 ($240 registration + $190 mileage fee) vs $185.

EVs will pay much more than any gas vehicle. It's punitive.

Wait just the registration is $54 on a gas vehicle? That's it? Ok yeah the electric fees are punitive.
I thought registration was 185, and then the state would obviously collect gas taxes over the course of the year from driving and fueling

 

[Paratus]

Wait just the registration is $54? That's it? Ok yeah that's punitive.
I thought registration was 185, not including gas taxes over the year.

Shit. I was using .30cents. You're right gas tax is 20 cents. So it's even worse
Yes registration is 50.75 for below 6000lbs and $54 for 6000-10,000lbs

https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/body-files/FeeChart_1C.pdf

EV registration in the bill was $190 below 6K and & $240 above

For the EV mileage fee 9000miles -12,000miles & below 6K lbs was $150 - above was $190
12K miles and above was $190 and $240 respectively

So my ~5600lb Chevy Suburban @ an average mpg of 17.5 and ~10K miles per year would pay a total of $168 in taxes and registration fees.
My ~4400lb Tesla Model 3 @ 10K miles per year would pay $ 340 or over twice as much

 

[nakedfrog]

I think these are simply best to be local decisions.
I point to this article frequently because it is a possibility but obviously dependent upon the sport. What does apply is a born male will have more muscle.
There is debate about whether she broke her opponents skull or broke facial bones but regardless those are top end injuries.
Her opponent stated and an older article she has sparred with plenty of women and some men, she was never hit as hard as this fight.

Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent's Skull - Attack The Back

If you didn’t know about Fallon Fox, she is probably the most well-known transgender female wrestler in the world and is also a former MMA ... <a title="Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent’s Skull" class="read-more"...

www.attacktheback.com

I sort of feel one rule for all doesn’t work well in these situations.

It really doesn't.
From article:

Medical experts in the field have refuted these claims. Dr Eric Vilain, director of the Institute for Society and Genetics at UCLA, examined Fox’s medical records, told Time Magazine that “a male to female transsexual athlete has significantly less muscle strength and bone density, and higher fat mass, than males”. Indeed, the transition could mean a hormonal disadvantage for Fox because of her low testosterone levels.

I know I personally lost 10 pounds of muscle when I started HRT (over the course of six months), without changing anything about my routine. For a while my plank times, which had been getting longer, started getting shorter. But there would be nothing stopping Fox from ceasing HRT for a little while to rebuild some muscle (other than if the sport's governing body mandated regular blood tests, I would guess they'd probably have to be every 2-4 weeks). And I do think someone competing in MMA is exactly the sort of person that would be looking for that edge.

 

[woolfe9998]

It really doesn't.
From article:

I know I personally lost 10 pounds of muscle when I started HRT (over the course of six months), without changing anything about my routine. For a while my plank times, which had been getting longer, started getting shorter. But there would be nothing stopping Fox from ceasing HRT for a little while to rebuild some muscle (other than if the sport's governing body mandated regular blood tests, I would guess they'd probably have to be every 2-4 weeks). And I do think someone competing in MMA is exactly the sort of person that would be looking for that edge.

Yes, and his article also describes another fight where the TG MMA fighter lost to a female opponent.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It really doesn't.
From article:

I know I personally lost 10 pounds of muscle when I started HRT (over the course of six months), without changing anything about my routine. For a while my plank times, which had been getting longer, started getting shorter. But there would be nothing stopping Fox from ceasing HRT for a little while to rebuild some muscle (other than if the sport's governing body mandated regular blood tests, I would guess they'd probably have to be every 2-4 weeks). And I do think someone competing in MMA is exactly the sort of person that would be looking for that edge.

I am mainly going on she was a professional fighter and stated she had never been hit that hard, ever and the broken bone(s) wether it was a cracked skull or other broken face bones isn’t that relevant imo.
I don’t follow mma type stuff but I believe the born male left the sport because nobody would fight her.
As I said earlier, this is better decision for local places to make because maybe it is not a problem, maybe it is a huge problem and maybe it is somewhere in between.

While I am not a Parent, I imagine it would be tough watching your daughter play field hockey or whatever and see them pushed around or run over by a girl who weighs 75 pounds more than she does.
I can also envision a petite born male but has non male hormone levels or started transitioning early and that girl looking as a born girl would and just not giving a shit.

 

[sandorski]

I am mainly going on she was a professional fighter and stated she had never been hit that hard, ever and the broken bone(s) wether it was a cracked skull or other broken face bones isn’t that relevant imo.
I don’t follow mma type stuff but I believe the born male left the sport because nobody would fight her.
As I said earlier, this is better decision for local places to make because maybe it is not a problem, maybe it is a huge problem and maybe it is somewhere in between.

While I am not a Parent, I imagine it would be tough watching your daughter play field hockey or whatever and see them pushed around or run over by a girl who weighs 75 pounds more than she does.
I can also envision a petite born male but has non male hormone levels or started transitioning early and that girl looking as a born girl would and just not giving a shit.

So, Trans people are Super Human now? Something seems fishy with that persons description. I suspect they harbour ill thoughts about Trans in general.

 

[Jaskalas]

Compromise: transgender allowed, born women can juice.

I imagine there's an advantage to being born with higher T. In having your bone and muscle growth / density empowered by it.

Don't think you can go back in time and reverse those gains, particularly if the individual has been physically trained and fit in their prime.

 

[sandorski]

I imagine there's an advantage to being born with higher T. In having your bone and muscle growth / density empowered by it.

Don't think you can go back in time and reverse those gains, particularly if the individual has been physically trained and fit in their prime.

Those "gains" last <1 year after starting HRT.

 

[Wreckem]

The anti-bail reform bill and the voter suppression bill are the only bills likely to get added to redistricting in the special session. There’s a slight chance the two anti trans bills will be added but I doubt they will because there will already be to much spectacle for a 30 day session.

The anti ev bill was somehow bipartisan but is unlikely to make the cut.

 

[nakedfrog]

I imagine there's an advantage to being born with higher T. In having your bone and muscle growth / density empowered by it.

Don't think you can go back in time and reverse those gains, particularly if the individual has been physically trained and fit in their prime.

FYI, you aren't "born" with higher T.

When Do Sex Differences in Testosterone Levels Appear?

Study used NHANES data to calculate trajectories over ages 6 to 20

www.medpagetoday.com

Between the ages of 6 and 10, youths saw similar testosterone levels regardless of sex. At the age of 6, total testosterone concentrations for male and females in the 50th percentile were 1.9 ng/dL and 2.4 ng/dL, respectively (P<0.64).


When youths first started to diverge at age 11, median testosterone concentrations for males in the 50th percentile were 13.3 ng/dL, while females in the 50th percentile saw testosterone levels around 14.2 ng/dL (P<0.001). However, 11-year-old males in the 95th percentile saw median testosterone concentrations as high as 327 ng/dL, while 11-year-old females in the 95th percentile for testosterone concentrations saw levels around 38.5 ng/dL.


This divergence was maintained throughout adulthood. By age 20, females had a median testosterone concentration of 29.5 ng/dL, while males had median testosterone levels of around 516 ng/dL.


Between ages 6 and 20, females saw their testosterone levels plateau by age 14 while males didn't see a plateau in testosterone until age 17.

And either way, maybe we should work more with evidence rather than what you imagine, WRT to advantages.
This is, of course, why it's also important for trans youth to have access to blockers and HRT at an appropriate age, as determined by a medical doctor, and not legislators.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I think these are simply best to be local decisions.
I point to this article frequently because it is a possibility but obviously dependent upon the sport. What does apply is a born male will have more muscle.
There is debate about whether she broke her opponents skull or broke facial bones but regardless those are top end injuries.
Her opponent stated and an older article she has sparred with plenty of women and some men, she was never hit as hard as this fight.

Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent's Skull - Attack The Back

If you didn’t know about Fallon Fox, she is probably the most well-known transgender female wrestler in the world and is also a former MMA ... <a title="Transgender MMA Fighter Fallon Fox Breaks Opponent’s Skull" class="read-more"...

www.attacktheback.com

I sort of feel one rule for all doesn’t work well in these situations.

Yes, god forbid we protect people from getting cracked skulls in sports.

Because, you know, it makes total sense for shit like this to happen. This is totally normal and doesn't at all conflict with what normally occurs, amirite?

 

[theeedude]

Yes, god forbid we protect people from getting cracked skulls in sports.

Because, you know, it makes total sense for shit like this to happen. This is totally normal and doesn't at all conflict with what normally occurs, amirite?


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Fake news, as befitting a Trumper. Those injuries were caused by a "biological" woman.

Misinfo about injuries by transgender MMA fighter

With federal efforts underway to expand transgender rights, claims about transgender people have been rampant, and parti

www.politifact.com

During her two-year MMA career, Fox had one bout that resulted in facial injuries to her opponent — which is not uncommon in MMA — but the Facebook post gets most details wrong. Fox did not break two people’s skulls. And she did not cause the injuries of or ever fight the bloodied person pictured in the post.

The fight that caused those injuries to Hansen took place in March 2018 against Kal Schwartz, and a media report at the time said that Schwartz "paint(ed) her opponent red" when blood poured out of a wound.

Fox addressed the photo in a series of tweets last month, saying, "So tired of the fake news circulating that I broke this woman’s skull. The upper photo is fake. ...It was Kal Schwartz — a cis woman — who caused the damage to opponent Kay Hansen that I’m being blamed for!"

 

[nickqt]

Fake news, as befitting a Trumper. Those injuries were caused by a "biological" woman.

Misinfo about injuries by transgender MMA fighter

With federal efforts underway to expand transgender rights, claims about transgender people have been rampant, and parti

www.politifact.com

During her two-year MMA career, Fox had one bout that resulted in facial injuries to her opponent — which is not uncommon in MMA — but the Facebook post gets most details wrong. Fox did not break two people’s skulls. And she did not cause the injuries of or ever fight the bloodied person pictured in the post.

The fight that caused those injuries to Hansen took place in March 2018 against Kal Schwartz, and a media report at the time said that Schwartz "paint(ed) her opponent red" when blood poured out of a wound.

Fox addressed the photo in a series of tweets last month, saying, "So tired of the fake news circulating that I broke this woman’s skull. The upper photo is fake. ...It was Kal Schwartz — a cis woman — who caused the damage to opponent Kay Hansen that I’m being blamed for!"

View attachment 45253

Hold up now...

Are you telling me n0b0dy is hilariously full of shit and terrible at posting memes?

Say it ain't so!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Fake news, as befitting a Trumper. Those injuries were caused by a "biological" woman.

Misinfo about injuries by transgender MMA fighter

With federal efforts underway to expand transgender rights, claims about transgender people have been rampant, and parti

www.politifact.com

During her two-year MMA career, Fox had one bout that resulted in facial injuries to her opponent — which is not uncommon in MMA — but the Facebook post gets most details wrong. Fox did not break two people’s skulls. And she did not cause the injuries of or ever fight the bloodied person pictured in the post.

The fight that caused those injuries to Hansen took place in March 2018 against Kal Schwartz, and a media report at the time said that Schwartz "paint(ed) her opponent red" when blood poured out of a wound.

Fox addressed the photo in a series of tweets last month, saying, "So tired of the fake news circulating that I broke this woman’s skull. The upper photo is fake. ...It was Kal Schwartz — a cis woman — who caused the damage to opponent Kay Hansen that I’m being blamed for!"

At no point does your "study" mention cracked skulls. Try again. If you think that is common in MMA, you're simply an idiot.

There is also TONS upon TONS of sources saying that the cracked skulls occured with staples all over. I cannot find a single source other than politifact that says it didn't occur - but they don't provide a single source. They just say it didn't happen as-if thats all the proof we need.

There is absolutely no question that women are getting absolutely manhandled by her:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/2goivp

EDIT: Nevermind - found the source - it actually proves my point - but nice try lol.

Now over the weekend the controversy is sure to flair up again after Fox, presumably, sent her opponent, Tammika Brents, to hospital to receive treatment for a “concussion”, “broken orbital bone”, and get “7 staples in her head”, following their fight which lasted 3 minutes at Capital City Cage Wars.

(Link that was cited by Politifact)

Transgender fighter Fallon Fox sends opponent to hospital

This is not a film but real life. 38-year-old Fallon Fox (5-1) , who began life as man but underwent a sex change in 2006, caused a stir in the world of MMA in

whoatv.com

 

[theeedude]

At no point does your "study" mention cracked skulls. Try again. If you think that is common in MMA, you're simply an idiot.

There is also TONS upon TONS of sources saying that the cracked skulls occured with staples all over. I cannot find a single source other than politifact that says it didn't occur - but they don't provide a single source. They just say it didn't happen as-if thats all the proof we need.

There is absolutely no question that women are getting absolutely manhandled by her:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/2goivp

EDIT: Nevermind - found the source - it actually proves my point - but nice try lol.




(Link that was cited by Politifact)

Transgender fighter Fallon Fox sends opponent to hospital

This is not a film but real life. 38-year-old Fallon Fox (5-1) , who began life as man but underwent a sex change in 2006, caused a stir in the world of MMA in

whoatv.com

I am sure she's sent opposing fighters to the hospital, just like other women have. Broken orbital is not an uncommon injury in MMA, including women's fights. Seems like your beef is with MMA fighting, but you are channeling it towards transgender women.
Otherwise, why use a photoshop of a transgender fighter next to a picture of a fighter bloodied up by a cisgender woman?

 

[MrSquished]

I am sure she's sent opposing fighters to the hospital, just like other women have. Broken orbital is not an uncommon injury in MMA, including women's fights. Seems like your beef is with MMA fighting, but you are channeling it towards transgender women.
Otherwise, why use a photoshop of a transgender fighter next to a picture of a fighter bloodied up by a cisgender woman?

They use fake news because GQP members like nobodysmind can't exist in reality.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Avoiding the hyperbole, as I said I am just following what her opponent said, she had never been hit that hard. She is a professional fighter, she has been hit a shit ton probably more than all of us combined in this thread. She suffered broken facial bones which yes does happen but it doesn’t happen all the time. Combine those two thing
Never being hit that hard
Broken bones
Makes me say this is an example where maybe something should have been done or maybe someone should have opted out of the fight.

As I said earlier these decisions should be local and the decision can change from time to time.
This is not the type thing that needs a state wide mandate.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So, Trans people are Super Human now? Something seems fishy with that persons description. I suspect they harbour ill thoughts about Trans in general.

No Men have more mass, more muscle and I believe stronger bones (last part could be wrong)
Not super human just bigger.

As I said imagine being a Parent and watching your 123 pound daughter being stomped on by a 195 pound woman who was a boy/man last year. Leave this stuff as local decisions. No one answer will fit every possible scenario.

vs

Someone’s (not the poster) daughter was born with part of a penis but no testicles. Birth certificate said boy because reasons, we started hormone treatments immediately. She is now 5’6” and now weighs 130 pounds. This is totally different than above.