Texas is whitewashing its racist history

[SMOGZINN]

Disagree about the reason for improved tolerance of LGBT. I don't think it came mainly from shaming people for being homophobes but rather from popular culture's normalization of LGBT starting with Ellen DeGeneres in the 90's. The timing of it is pretty clear. Starting from the late 90's when popular culture first began presenting positive images of gays, tolerance moved upward.

I think often when people are shamed they learn to conceal their bigotry rather than becoming more tolerant. Shaming may work for some individuals but overall I'm not sure it is always the best strategy.

I agree with you, shaming of intolerance is more secondary effect. It is not effective until a large number of people already agree that such intolerance should not be accepted.
Representation, and the accompanying recognition, is the real driving force. As popular culture started to show representatives of LGBT people as regular people, more people came out of the closet and because of that many more people realized that they knew someone that was gay or bi, and that they were just normal people. That is the real trick to end bigotry, to get people to see each other as people instead of a stereotype.

 

[woolfe9998]

I agree with you, shaming of intolerance is more secondary effect. It is not effective until a large number of people already agree that such intolerance should not be accepted.
Representation, and the accompanying recognition, is the real driving force. As popular culture started to show representatives of LGBT people as regular people, more people came out of the closet and because of that many more people realized that they knew someone that was gay or bi, and that they were just normal people. That is the real trick to end bigotry, to get people to see each other as people instead of a stereotype.

Yes. I saw a documentary back in the early 90's about the history of how gays had been portrayed in Hollywood movies up to that time. Basically they were almost never portrayed at all, and in the limited cases where they were, it was always as a creepy psycho, child molester or perv. While it may seem silly, people implicitly make assumptions about reality based on what they see on TV and in the movies. Most people would deny this and claim they can separate fiction from reality, but they cannot, not entirely anyway.

As for shaming people, I think it is first important to distinguish people who have conscious animus on the basis of race from the bulk of us (all of us, of all races) who are afflicted with implicit biases. When you shame someone who is without conscious racial bias, that person may react quite poorly, and understandably so. In our society calling someone a racist is saying they are a shitty human being. Directing that toward someone who feels no antipathy could well cause them to start experiencing some of it. We can talk to people about implicit biases, but in doing so we need to be careful not to put them in the same pile as the avowed racists.

 

[ElFenix]

Meh...I've read far more informed views on Wikipedia

The author cherry picked one of about a dozen reasons that Texas declared independence. Slavery was one of them, and it's true that the Texans weren't champing at the bit to abolish it, but it's certainly not the main reason. FWIW, Mexico didn't abolish slavery out of the kindness of their hearts (look up atrocities committed by Spain and Mexico in the new world). Mexico wanted to slow down non-Mexican expansion in the territory. California passed laws stripping all voting, representation and most all civil rights from the former slaves and non-whites in the same time period......and they were a "free" state. I don't hear anyone screaming about that......

It's far from a single-sided issue, and some of the major reasons for the Texan's unrest were that they were controlled without any true hope of representation, no response in a timely manner (distance), lack of education, taxation and law enforcement that was considered unfair etc.

These reasons would be very familiar to the 13 colonies, since they were the same reasons cited for their independence not long before.

i'm liking this post for correct use of "champing at the bit"

 

[maluckey1]

Yes. I saw a documentary back in the early 90's about the history of how gays had been portrayed in Hollywood movies up to that time. Basically they were almost never portrayed at all, and in the limited cases where they were, it was always as a creepy psycho, child molester or perv. While it may seem silly, people implicitly make assumptions about reality based on what they see on TV and in the movies. Most people would deny this and claim they can separate fiction from reality, but they cannot, not entirely anyway.

As for shaming people, I think it is first important to distinguish people who have conscious animus on the basis of race from the bulk of us (all of us, of all races) who are afflicted with implicit biases. When you shame someone who is without conscious racial bias, that person may react quite poorly, and understandably so. In our society calling someone a racist is saying they are a shitty human being. Directing that toward someone who feels no antipathy could well cause them to start experiencing some of it. We can talk to people about implicit biases, but in doing so we need to be careful not to put them in the same pile as the avowed racists.

I read this a few years back, as part of an ongoing assignment.

Overcoming the Paralysis of Toxic Shame | Psychology Today

I also read Kahneman "Thinking Fast and Slow" to get a better idea of how we tend to think in relation to noise, and how group decisions can go horribly wrong in business.

 

[Pohemi]

Coming from you it's high praise to me.

Yes, we're well aware that you're very proud of your intended ignorance and shitty ideals.

 

[mect]

Disagree about the reason for improved tolerance of LGBT. I don't think it came mainly from shaming people for being homophobes but rather from popular culture's normalization of LGBT starting with Ellen DeGeneres in the 90's. The timing of it is pretty clear. Starting from the late 90's when popular culture first began presenting positive images of gays, tolerance moved upward.

I think often when people are shamed they learn to conceal their bigotry rather than becoming more tolerant. Shaming may work for some individuals but overall I'm not sure it is always the best strategy.

I think the two are connected. I think more open minded individuals saw them, and became more tolerant. The more closed minded individuals reallized they couldn't call people homophobic names without social repurcussions, and started holding back. As evidence, look at how rhetoric changed in this country when Trump became president, and how the language he used on the national stage influenced the rhetoric of broader society. And while one may argue, what difference does it make if people are still thinking these things even if they aren't saying them, I think the difference is the broader influence on society, particularly on the rising generation.

 

[ElFenix]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

 

[K1052]

TX lege: You have to teach both sides of topics as any good educators should.

Teachers: So we need to cover Santa Anna's POV on the treasonous Texian rebellion?

TX ledge: Oh fuck this is the reaping part isn't it?

 

[Vic]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

GOP doesn't want to piss off its voters.

 

[Vic]

TX lege: You have to teach both sides of topics as any good educators should.

Teachers: So we need to cover Santa Anna's POV on the treasonous Texian rebellion?

TX ledge: Oh fuck this is the reaping part isn't it?

I'm all in for the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers wanting their #bothsides

 

[Paratus]

GOP doesn't want to piss its voters.

missing a word there Vic,

Off - probably
On - oh they most certainly do.

 

[esquared]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

If this was France, they could go to jail for that.

One of France’s most prominent far-right provocateurs is going to jail for denying the Holocaust

Alain Soral, one of France’s most prominent far-right provocateurs, has been sentenced to one year in jail for denying the Holocaust.

qz.com

 

[MrSquished]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

Texas is a shitstain on this country like all the other red states. These people are just evil.

 

[MichaelMay]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

Well, you coddle your fascists for 200+ years and sentence your insurrectionists to days in jail while leaving everyone in leadership to just keep doing their fascist stuff and .... what? What the FUCK did you expect?

The US has never taught history in any other perspective than the most flattering one and 75+ million Americans are outright fascists so ... Is anyone surprised by this? I'm not, not in the least.

You see I'm German and we actually DO learn about our actual history, you're following our history to the script.

 

[HomerJS]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

Idiot Republican southerners. Please some smart Dem bring this up in a debate.

 

[brycejones]

Idiot Republican southerners. Please some smart Dem bring this up in a debate.

They already have an answer. That's a person of color so it's really teaching about critical race theory which is banned.

 

[trenchfoot]

So much of the rewriting of our history is politically motivated by the Repub party in order for them to "properly shape the attitudes of our youth" that helps the party retain power well into the future just as the party have packed our courts with conservative activists whose purpose serves the same end: tyranny of the minority party over the majority one.

 

[UNCjigga]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

“CRT has no place in our schools!! Also, don’t forget your ‘Mein Kampf’ readings as we have a quiz tomorrow!”

 

[Paratus]

the new curriculum demanding #bothsides be taught for controversial subjects is completely fucked up:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448741745584480259

this is what the republican legislature wanted, make them defend holocaust denial.

So when can we expect Mexico’s side being taught during the Texas Revolution chapter of history class?

 

[K1052]

So when can we expect Mexico’s side being taught during the Texas Revolution chapter of history class?

Presumably after the lectures from a British perspective about why the rebellious colonist ingrates, traitors to the crown and their fellow countrymen, should have been mercilessly crushed under the heel of the Empire for their betrayal.

To be followed up with - Pearl Harbor: Justifiable use of military force in the face of racist economic war on Japan?

 

[HomerJS]

While we are teaching the history lesson of George Wallace we must understand the justification of not letting black people into public schools

 

[Muse]

“CRT has no place in our schools!! Also, don’t forget your ‘Mein Kampf’ readings as we have a quiz tomorrow!”

And if you don't pass the quiz you're going to a special camp next summer for people like you. The CCP Cultural Revolution taught us some things.

 

[brycejones]

And if you don't pass the quiz you're going to a special camp next summer for people like you. The CCP Cultural Revolution taught us some things.

Shit now nexus5sucks will be along to totalitariansplain to us about how that was really a great awakening in China and anything negative is western propaganda because people in China have all the freedoms.

 

[trenchfoot]

And if you don't pass the quiz you're going to a special camp next summer for people like you.

I believe they're called re-education centers with "Arbeit Mach Frei" entrance signs that feature large portraits of Trump and Putin plastered and hung on every wall. ceiling, razor wire fence, "time out" lockers and persuasion chambers in the compound.

 

[hal2kilo]

I believe they're called re-education centers with "Arbeit Mach Frei" entrance signs that feature large portraits of Trump and Putin plastered and hung on every wall. ceiling, razor wire fence, "time out" lockers and persuasion chambers in the compound.

They will make FEMA camps look like summer camp.