texas holdem - why do I suck so bad at this game?

Special K

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I've been playing no-limit holdem with a group of friends for several months now. Typically there are 5-7 players in the game. I just learned how to play the game last February, and have been getting my ass kicked ever since. We play once a week and I have only had two winning nights since the beginning of May. On those nights, I only made $3-$4. The buyin is always $10, although we allow an unlimited number of re-buys. The blinds are $0.10/$0.20. I don't expect poker to be profitable in the long run, but something is clearly wrong with my strategy if I have been losing this many games.


There are several points about the game that confuse me and I believe they are the source of my problems:

1. I don't know what hands I am supposed to play. I understand that position matters, and being in an earlier position generally requires a stronger hand, but what limits should I set for what is considered playable? One guide I read suggested to only play a pair of 10's and higher. I have tried this strategy before and end up seeing perhaps 3-4 flops in 3 hours of playing, and my stack gets reduced from $10 down to $3 just from paying the blinds.

2. When I am dealt a decent hand, such as pocket kings or aces, I have no idea whether I should bet pre-flop or not, and if so, how much I am supposed to bet. The same goes for future betting rounds. How do I know what a good amount to bet is?

3. As the game progresses, how am I supposed to know whether to check, raise, or fold? Do I want to bet aggressively and try to force the other players out, or do I want to make small bets and/or check in order to get as much money in the pot as possible?

4. How much do tells really matter, and how am I supposed to interpret tells correctly if I never end up seeing what cards the person actually had?

5. I understand pot odds matter, and one rule of thumb I have heard is that if the pot odds you get by calling a bet exceed your estimated odds of making your hand, then you should call. However, what if the hand you are trying to make isn't the best possible hand that could be made? How do I estimate the odds of someone hitting a higher hand than what I am going for?


Basically, I end up folding nearly every hand I am dealt, and lose most of my money to the blinds. In the rare occasion that I do get a decent hand, everyone always folds and I end up taking just the blinds. I have tried an occasional bluff pre-flop, and sometimes I am able to steal the blinds that way. However, this strategy doesn't always work. Sometimes 1 or more players will call me. Usually the flop doesn't end up helping me in these cases, and I have to fold.
 

nerp

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Dec 31, 2005
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Sounds like you're predictable to play with. You need to study what you do, see how everyone watches that, then, keep acting that way but play completley different. You'll rake it all in.
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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I'm not very good at poker, but the name of the game is making other players PAY to see more cards, especially if you have a pretty good hand (meaning only a few hand can possibly beat you). Don' scare them off with huge bets, just milk some.
 

KeithTalent

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I've been playing quite a bit recently and am starting to get a bit better I think. I mainly play online, no-money tournaments right now, but also play with some friends now and then. I have considered playing a low-money online tournament, but have been kind of freaked out by the recent stories of scams going around.

Anyway, this may sound ridiculous, but I feel as if watching the pro players play on TV has actually helped me a bit. I certainly feel as if I have learned some things from that.

KT
 

Baked

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Dec 28, 2004
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Zune 3.0 update added 2 games to Zune and one of them is Texas Hold'em. OMG, this game is hard. I'm lucky to get to 2nd round every time I play.
 

AccruedExpenditure

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May 12, 2001
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The only way you'll get better is through experience. Play online at for free at pokerstars. It'd take hours of me to go through to explain what to do in each scenario but to give you the gist of it

1.) Play less than stellar hands when its cheap pre-flop any low pair, suited connectors or any two royal cards unsuited
2.) Raise these hands to avoid getting crushed by an unfavorable flop. A good raise depends on your table but at your game I'd say 5-10 times the big blind should get you one caller. Raise again 5-10 times the big blind post flop unless the flop has destroyed your hand. Going heads up w/ one of these pockets you've probably already won
3.) This depends on what the community cards are, what kind of reads you're getting, and what kind of cards you're holding
4.) Tells absolutely matter, playing online though will eliminate physical tells but you'll be keenly aware of betting tells. When you play IRL again you'll have the benefit of knowing both
5.) Pot odds are another way of saying expected value. Use your tells and historical knowledge of the player your playing against to calculate whether you're behind or ahead in the hand to figure out which cards need to come out or not come out to calculate expected value
-AE
 

V00DOO

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Dec 2, 2000
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Go read a couple of Poker books. It'll give you the basic strategy especially the starting hands, posittion, and pot odds.
 

Juked07

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Originally posted by: randay
you play the man, not the cards.

At a low level (which this clearly is), you play the cards and the odds. The odds (fold equity, perceived range, etc.) change when the opp is drastically different from the average player, but those adjustments can be made after OP has a firm grasp of a basic winning strategy, which it doesn't look like he has.
 

buck

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Dec 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: V00DOO
Go read a couple of Poker books. It'll give you the basic strategy especially the starting hands, posittion, and pot odds.

:thumbsup:
Great advice in this situation.


Originally posted by: randay
you play the man, not the cards.

:thumbsdown:
Terrible advice in this situation. I retract if you are kidding.
 

Queasy

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1) Know when to hold them.
2) Know when to fold them.
3) Know when to run.
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: Special K
I've been playing no-limit holdem with a group of friends for several months now. Typically there are 5-7 players in the game. I just learned how to play the game last February, and have been getting my ass kicked ever since. We play once a week and I have only had two winning nights since the beginning of May. On those nights, I only made $3-$4. The buyin is always $10, although we allow an unlimited number of re-buys. I don't expect poker to be profitable in the long run, but something is clearly wrong with my strategy if I have been losing this many games.


There are several points about the game that confuse me and I believe they are the source of my problems:

1. I don't know what hands I am supposed to play. I understand that position matters, and being in an earlier position generally requires a stronger hand, but what limits should I set for what is considered playable? One guide I read suggested to only play a pair of 10's and higher. I have tried this strategy before and end up seeing perhaps 3-4 flops in 3 hours of playing, and my stack gets reduced from $10 down to $3 just from paying the blinds.

2. When I am dealt a decent hand, such as pocket kings or aces, I have no idea whether I should bet pre-flop or not, and if so, how much I am supposed to bet. The same goes for future betting rounds. How do I know what a good amount to bet is?

3. As the game progresses, how am I supposed to know whether to check, raise, or fold? Do I want to bet aggressively and try to force the other players out, or do I want to make small bets and/or check in order to get as much money in the pot as possible?

4. How much do tells really matter, and how am I supposed to interpret tells correctly if I never end up seeing what cards the person actually had?

5. I understand pot odds matter, and one rule of thumb I have heard is that if the pot odds you get by calling a bet exceed your estimated odds of making your hand, then you should call. However, what if the hand you are trying to make isn't the best possible hand that could be made? How do I estimate the odds of someone hitting a higher hand than what I am going for?


Basically, I end up folding nearly every hand I am dealt, and lose most of my money to the blinds. In the rare occasion that I do get a decent hand, everyone always folds and I end up taking just the blinds. I have tried an occasional bluff pre-flop, and sometimes I am able to steal the blinds that way. However, this strategy doesn't always work. Sometimes 1 or more players will call me. Usually the flop doesn't end up helping me in these cases, and I have to fold.

You need to read a book. It will help you understand what hands are good, when to raise and generally the odds to play to.

There is a guy we play with who is identical to you. He hardly ever bluffs, is very easy to get off a hand (unless he's holding a bif over pair) and is one of the tightest players I have ever seen.

The most important thing is to stop being so predicable.
 

xboxist

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Jun 25, 2002
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Start with reading a good poker book or two. These will outline general GUIDELINES for what hands to play in different positions. You'll also learn basic odds, etc. From there, you need to learn how to integrate your knowledge of starting hands, basic play skills and odds, into mixing your play up so you're not completely predictable.
 

Ns1

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Any site still allow you to play for money? or is it still GGPO in the US?
 

OCGuy

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Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Any site still allow you to play for money? or is it still GGPO in the US?

You can...some of the sites use some tricks that the bank doesnt know you are crediting your gambling account.

Getting your money out is a bitch though...can take weeks for an overseas check.
 

buck

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Dec 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ns1
Any site still allow you to play for money? or is it still GGPO in the US?

You can...some of the sites use some tricks that the bank doesnt know you are crediting your gambling account.

Getting your money out is a bitch though...can take weeks for an overseas check.

Ummmm, Pokerstars and Full Tilt checks come from the US. It takes less than a week to get to my place.....

Where are you getting your false info from?
 

Triumph

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: randay
you play the man, not the cards.

Right. And at the OP's level, you understand that the men you are playing don't know how to play poker, and you adjust accordingly. Expect for someone to call all your raises with junk and end up making a hand on the river. Expect for someone to call anything and everything pre flop, regardless of what they're dealt. Expect for someone to think they've won with 7-8-9-10.