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DrPizza

DrPizza

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At a party Sat night. Beer pong was getting old. We decided to break out the cards and chips and have a texas hold-em tourney ($10 buy-in got you $3500 worth of chips)

So, I'm winning... then I lose. Someone had a great hand, I had the 2nd highest possible hand and lost a couple thousand.

Next hand, I'm big blind. ($100 at this point) Everyone (all 7 people) stayed in at 100 since it was so low, but no one raised. Flop was 9 5 2. I would have folded with my 9 7, but of course, was in because no one raised the blind. At this point, because of the flop, I realize I must have the highest hand, or could easily bluff that I had the highest hand. So, the bidding goes around again, everyone is checking until it gets to me. I realize the flop didn't help anyone. I go all in on the pair of 9's, basically saying that I'm in because I had to and got lucky with the flop, which should have gained me the extra 600 in the pot. Everyone but one person folded. This is for $2500!

Unbelievable - that person stayed in with a pair of 2's.

A lousy pair of 2's! (with a Q)

And, what's the river card?
A friggin 2.

I can understand someone betting against me if they also had a pair of 9's. I can't believe they wouldn't have raised it with a pair of 9's. (given the flop) But, she stayed in with a pair of 2's - only about a 10% chance of winning with that hand after the flop.
 
DannyLove

DannyLove

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hahah, thats what the game is about. Believe it or not there is a huge substancial part of luck involved in this game. Sure you can bluff, etc etc, but when those cards come out, its all luck.

I also played a good tournament this weekend at a friends. It was great. $10 to get in gets you 30 chips. First round I had a club Flush, myself and 2 other guys went all in (THIS WAS THE FIRST ROUND). Needless-to-say I knocked out two of my friends who had a Straight and 2-pair. I ended up in 2nd place though from the 7 starters. Was great fun.

danny~!
 
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Kev

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You have to play slow in the early stages, to weed out all the idiots like that who call every bet. 99 isn't THAT great, but I feel your pain, I hate bad beats.
 
GasX

GasX

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Everyone but one person folded. This is for $2500!
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That means you suck - or at least that you played the hand wrong. You have to read your opponents not some stupid book or base your IRL play on your online experience...
 
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DrumminBoy

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Everyone but one person folded. This is for $2500!
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That means you suck - or at least that you played the hand wrong. You have to read your opponents not some stupid book or base your IRL play on your online experience...
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Much easier said than done
 
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royaldank

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Live <> Online play
Low limit <> High limit

Granted, it was a bad bet, but how many chips did he have? Was he all in? If he was chip leader and crappy flop like that comes out, why not stick around and try to knock someone out. With a million on the line, no way. But, for a $10 home tournament, why not take some chances like that every now and again? It's going to be a coin flip either way most likely with a crap flop like that.
 
KoolAidKid

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That kind of thing happens when you are playing with novices. If you want everyone to play like they should find a much higher stakes table. As far as I'm concerned, friendly games of hold-em at someone's house isn't poker at all, it's just something to do.
 
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TranceNation

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bettting big on a pair of 9s will kill you all the time. doesn't matter if no one was bidding/raising after the flop, some one could of had a pair of 10s, jacks/ queens, kings or aces and just playing it slow.
But if you would have bet strongly at the get go you may or may not have scared of the 2s.
 
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amoeba

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tournament play and cash game play are two different things. You suffered a bad beat this time but would you have felt as bad if villain held pocket 2s or pocket 5s instead of Q2, what aobut 9T or 98?
Learn to not commit your whole stack on hands where worse hands fold and better hands call.

all in with top pair medium kicker is not that great a decision in my mind especially when blinds to stack size ratio is low.

Sure you suffered a bad beat but your play was less than impressive.
 
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konichiwa

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
I can understand someone betting against me if they also had a pair of 9's. I can't believe they wouldn't have raised it with a pair of 9's. (given the flop) But, she stayed in with a pair of 2's - only about a 10% chance of winning with that hand after the flop.
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Actually he/she had a 20.20% chance of winning that hand assuming there were no flush draws.
 
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amoeba

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Originally posted by: TranceNation
bettting big on a pair of 9s will kill you all the time. doesn't matter if no one was bidding/raising after the flop, some one could of had a pair of 10s, jacks/ queens, kings or aces and just playing it slow.
But if you would have bet strongly at the get go you may or may not have scared of the 2s.
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betting on a pair of 9s is fine. Going all in with 9s is dumb especially when you have 6 checks in front of you as somebody could be easily iching to check raise their set. You can usually discount overpair as typically there is a preflop raise, although slowplayed AA, KK has been known to happen with newbs.


Now that I read op again though I suspect he remembered part of the action wrong. If you were indeed BB then you are second to act after the flop, which means you only saw 1 check in front of you from the SB, and there are 5 people left to act after you on the flop if indeed like you said, 7 people limped in preflop.
So not that many people checked to you. you have no idea where you are in the hand, and you decided to go all-in with a pair of 9s?

 
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amoeba

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Everyone but one person folded. This is for $2500!
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That means you suck - or at least that you played the hand wrong. You have to read your opponents not some stupid book or base your IRL play on your online experience...
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value of real life reads are overrated. Brick and mortar games usually softer than online games. Books and online practice are fine.

 
hg321

hg321

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
At a party Sat night. Beer pong was getting old. We decided to break out the cards and chips and have a texas hold-em tourney ($10 buy-in got you $3500 worth of chips)

So, I'm winning... then I lose. Someone had a great hand, I had the 2nd highest possible hand and lost a couple thousand.

Next hand, I'm big blind. ($100 at this point) Everyone (all 7 people) stayed in at 100 since it was so low, but no one raised. Flop was 9 5 2. I would have folded with my 9 7, but of course, was in because no one raised the blind. At this point, because of the flop, I realize I must have the highest hand, or could easily bluff that I had the highest hand. So, the bidding goes around again, everyone is checking until it gets to me. I realize the flop didn't help anyone. I go all in on the pair of 9's, basically saying that I'm in because I had to and got lucky with the flop, which should have gained me the extra 600 in the pot. Everyone but one person folded. This is for $2500!

Unbelievable - that person stayed in with a pair of 2's.

A lousy pair of 2's! (with a Q)

And, what's the river card?
A friggin 2.

I can understand someone betting against me if they also had a pair of 9's. I can't believe they wouldn't have raised it with a pair of 9's. (given the flop) But, she stayed in with a pair of 2's - only about a 10% chance of winning with that hand after the flop.
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DrPizza = Phil Helmuth?
 
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amoeba

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lol at the phil comment


While we are on the topic, here's an interesting hand I had on party shorthanded NL25 the other day.

I'm BB (.50) with 55. UTG (under the gun) minraises to $1. everybody else folds, SB calls, I call.

flop :

2 2 K rainbow.

Sb checks

I bet $2 semibluffing, hoping nobody flopped a K since its only 3 people and I doubt anybody would raise/call a raise with any hand involving a 2 unless it was 22.

UTG calls $2

SB calls $2.

"uh oh, think. Maybe they are slowplaying something like Kq? or they have Ace and hoping to get it on turn/ river"

turn:

5 (all right!! got the full house)

board : 2 2 K 5

UTG bets $6, SB raises to $15, I go all in, call, call.......

(now I'm confused, I mean what the hell? maybe they both have 2s and was slow playing on the flop?).

River: blank (think it was a 7)

board : 2 2 K 5 7

Showdown:

I flip over 55 for 555 22 fullhouse

SB flips over 2k for 222 kk fullhouse

UTG flips over kk for kkk 22 fullhouse and wins ~$80 pot

sigh, damn party players and their minraises preflop.



 
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