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Texas Grid is on the Edge Again!

lol over 1000 per MWh, I don't pay a thousand for the month... Shouldn't all Texans have solar panel on roof by now?
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
It's over $3000 per MWHr right now. ERCOT doesn't publish any higher number but it's higher. Probably more like $5500 per MWHr.
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wow...I guess Enron just moved to Texas and became ERCOT.

base price for electricity in Ontario, transmission, grid maintenance and whatnot is on top.

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sdifox said:
wow...I guess Enron just moved to Texas and became ERCOT.
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The right wing nuts running this state love it when people blame ERCOT. When in reality ERCOT is forced to employ the rules set by the Texas Public Utility Commission, which is staffed entirely of direct appointments by Greg Abbott, famous for killing Mexicans with floating buoys and underwater razor wire in the Rio Grande, as well as our previous crook of a governor Rick Perry.
 
sdifox said:
lol over 1000 per MWr, I don't pay a thousand for the month... Shouldn't all Texans have solar panel on roof by now?
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Nah. Now that you mentioned it, one of my neighbors was going to install solar (he is one of the last few more left leaning person in my hood), but last wek decided against. Instead he has a bigger new HVAC installed today.
Once the kid moves off to college (he is not likely to go to UT or A&M cause its too hot), we might be moving out of Texas too.
 
Fucking sucks that my city of San Antonio is under Texas colonial rule and we have to put up with this shit due to the republicans in the state being pawns of the energy producers.
 
sdifox said:
lol over 1000 per mWh, I don't pay a thousand for the month... Shouldn't all Texans have solar panel on roof by now?
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Agreed and probably could justify the cost of whole home backup batteries, especially if they can sell that energy back during peak times.
 
SteveGrabowski said:
Nope everyone gets fucked when too much natural gas is taken offline for the intended daily price squeeze, puts our grid at risk of catastrophic failure, and we get stuck with rolling blackouts.
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Someone should ask Elmo if he is paying his Texas power bill :awe:
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Agreed and probably could justify the cost of whole home backup batteries, especially if they can sell that energy back during peak times.
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People don't generally pay the wholesale spot prices directly. Though we have had and will have a monthly surcharge for years now for the spot prices shooting up in 2021. $10 billion worth of added fees Texans have to pay.
 
SteveGrabowski said:
People don't generally pay the wholesale spot prices directly. Though we have had and will have a monthly surcharge for years now for the spot prices shooting up in 2021. $10 billion worth of added fees Texans have to pay.
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So what happens when you sell the house? Do they get the whole amount from the sale? Or it it just spread evenly to everyone as debt retirement charge? Ontario hydro price is being kept low for political reasons. Just piles on future debt 🙄
 
sdifox said:
So what happens when you sell the house? Do they get the whole amount from the sale? Or it it just spread evenly to everyone as debt retirement charge?
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At least in Oklahoma they spread it over all gas customers, $15/mo for like 20 years. So people like me that let my house cool to the 50s pay the same as empty office buildings that were heated to 75 and dickhead rednecks that turned up their thermostats every time they were asked to turn them down.
 
SteveGrabowski said:
It's over $3000 per MWHr right now. ERCOT doesn't publish any higher number but it's higher. Probably more like $5500 per MWHr.
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Price cap is at $5,000 last update I could find, thus the heat map capping out at $5000. And wholesale prices are back down to "only" $150/MWh right now, before transmission/distribution charges (and also offering over $70/MWh for off-line reserve power...)
 
sdifox said:
So what happens when you sell the house? Do they get the whole amount from the sale? Or it it just spread evenly to everyone as debt retirement charge? Ontario hydro price is being kept low for political reasons. Just piles on future debt 🙄
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Yeah that's bull. Debt retirement charge should be tiered by usage pattern.


lol quoted wrong post.
 
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sdifox said:
Cap? That's socialism!
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Basically the only change after the last major power outage... was to lower the price cap from $9000 or $9500 down to the current $5000. Because, yeah, that'll fix all the problems.

Oh, and also to try to pass laws to make it harder (or in some cases near impossible) to build new renewable power in the state. Because more power is bad.

New transmission? Expanding inter-connection to other regions of the US? Encouraging new generation? Fixing baseload reserve management and incentives? Nah, those would all be crazy talk.
 
sdifox said:
So what happens when you sell the house? Do they get the whole amount from the sale? Or it it just spread evenly to everyone as debt retirement charge? Ontario hydro price is being kept low for political reasons. Just piles on future debt 🙄
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It's a surcharge on every electric bill in Texas. So if you moved here today you'd still pay that surcharge from 2021.
 
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