Texas Governor Perry: Concealed guns should be allowed everywhere

Svnla

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I am not sure about bars, wines and guns? Not sure a good idea.

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Perry: Concealed guns should be allowed everywhere
He cites Virginia Tech shootings; opponents call it 'a terrible idea'

11:05 AM CDT on Tuesday, May 1, 2007
By CHRISTY HOPPE / The Dallas Morning News
choppe@dallasnews.com

AUSTIN ? Texans who have concealed-weapon permits should be allowed to carry their guns anywhere in the state, including churches, courthouses and bars, Gov. Rick Perry said Monday.

Currently, state law prohibits concealed weapons in certain places, including private property where signs are posted disallowing the guns.

But after meetings with U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt about the rampage at Virginia Tech, Mr. Perry took issue with the idea of barring weapons from campuses.

"It's time for us to have that debate in Texas from the standpoint of whether or not a law-abiding citizen in the state of Texas can take their appropriately licensed and permitted weapon anywhere in this state, whether it's on a college campus or wherever," Mr. Perry said.

The governor said deranged individuals don't pay any attention to signs that bar guns on certain premises and that citizens ought "to be able to protect themselves from that standpoint."

Asked whether such a wide- open weapons policy would include bars and courthouses, Mr. Perry said: "A person ought to be able to carry their weapon with them anywhere in the state if they are licensed and they have gone through the training.

"The idea that you're going to exempt them from a particular place is nonsense."

With only four weeks left in the legislative session and no proposed bill that would remove restrictions on where weapons can be taken, it's unlikely state policy on concealed weapons will change soon.

But the governor signed a bill into law Monday that prohibits law enforcement from confiscating legally held weapons during emergency situations. The bill was prompted by reports of police collecting guns from Katrina victims in New Orleans.

Linda Siemers, president of Texans for Gun Safety, said that as long as states cannot filter out those with mental illness from having guns, the existing restrictions should not be lifted.

She pointed out that the killer at Virginia Tech legally bought his guns despite his history of mental problems.

"Carrying guns to work and to church is a terrible idea," Ms. Siemers said. "Businesses and nonprofits should make the rules for what happens on their property."

Especially because of the emotions and anger sometimes sparked in the workplace, "we feel it would be very irresponsible" to dictate to a business whether it should allow guns, she said.

Rep. Trey Martinez Fischer, D-San Antonio, who considers himself a gun-rights advocate, said the state should continue to limit the places a person can carry a gun.

"The governor is looking at this issue through the wrong lens," Mr. Martinez Fischer said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent..._01tex.ART.State.Edition1.42d4f20.html
 

RagingBITCH

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I agree with Perry...been reading a lot about this lately. If you're going to get mad and do something stupid/retarded, you're going to do it, gun or not. Whether that be run someone over, stab someone, get in a bar fight, etc. Anyone crazy enough to go on a rampage/shoot someone regardless won't care now if it's allowed or not. (One of Perry's arguments)
 

erikistired

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i don't think we need guns in courthouses, last thing we need is some convict getting a piece from his buddy that walked in with it.
 

Farang

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I think gun free zones are pointless in any place but bars. I mean even if you have some nut who takes advantage of that and goes on a shooting rampage, one of the patrons is going to be drunk enough to be a hero.

edit: and courthouses... enough cops with guns to handle anything.
 

Rumpltzer

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Originally posted by: Svnla
I am not sure about bars, wines and guns? Not sure a good idea.
I'm under the impression that most of the people packing heat and going to bars aren't really the wine drinking type.
 

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Removing government restrictions on where you can carry your gun is fine and all, but private property owners should be allowed to disallow guns on their property.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Farang
I think gun free zones are pointless in any place but bars. I mean even if you have some nut who takes advantage of that and goes on a shooting rampage, one of the patrons is going to be drunk enough to be a hero.

edit: and courthouses... enough cops with guns to handle anything.

Oh Really?

Anyways, I support this because incidents of violence perpetrated by individuals with concealed carry permits is extremely low. They go through much more extensive background checks than regular gun owners and are usually required to take training/safety classes. This isn't about letting Joe Schmo walk around with a gun devil-may-care.

Gov. Perry made an excellent point:
The governor said deranged individuals don't pay any attention to signs that bar guns on certain premises and that citizens ought "to be able to protect themselves from that standpoint."
 

brandonb

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Concealed Carry Permits have a restriction on it. You can't drink while carrying a gun.

So even if we allow those people into the bar, they aren't gonna be there drinking... Which is fine by me.
 

erikistired

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Farang
I think gun free zones are pointless in any place but bars. I mean even if you have some nut who takes advantage of that and goes on a shooting rampage, one of the patrons is going to be drunk enough to be a hero.

edit: and courthouses... enough cops with guns to handle anything.

Oh Really?

Anyways, I support this because incidents of violence perpetrated by individuals with concealed carry permits is extremely low. They go through much more extensive background checks than regular gun owners and are usually required to take training/safety classes. This isn't about letting Joe Schmo walk around with a gun devil-may-care.

Gov. Perry made an excellent point:
The governor said deranged individuals don't pay any attention to signs that bar guns on certain premises and that citizens ought "to be able to protect themselves from that standpoint."

the dude overpowered a guard and took her gun in that case. i personally still don't think we need more guns in courthouses, especially in the hands of private citizens. i just see it being a bad path to take and in this case there are metal detectors to keep weapons out.
 

Billyzeke

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I agree with the guv.
I would also like to see CCP valid nationwide like drivers liscense.
 

Svnla

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Originally posted by: Rumpltzer
Originally posted by: Svnla
I am not sure about bars, wines and guns? Not sure a good idea.
I'm under the impression that most of the people packing heat and going to bars aren't really the wine drinking type.

Are you implying rednecks country boys like me don't drink wines? FYI Mister, we make our own wines in our backyard. We love our moonshines :D
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Farang
I think gun free zones are pointless in any place but bars. I mean even if you have some nut who takes advantage of that and goes on a shooting rampage, one of the patrons is going to be drunk enough to be a hero.

edit: and courthouses... enough cops with guns to handle anything.

Oh Really?

Anyways, I support this because incidents of violence perpetrated by individuals with concealed carry permits is extremely low. They go through much more extensive background checks than regular gun owners and are usually required to take training/safety classes. This isn't about letting Joe Schmo walk around with a gun devil-may-care.

Gov. Perry made an excellent point:
The governor said deranged individuals don't pay any attention to signs that bar guns on certain premises and that citizens ought "to be able to protect themselves from that standpoint."

the dude overpowered a guard and took her gun in that case. i personally still don't think we need more guns in courthouses, especially in the hands of private citizens. i just see it being a bad path to take and in this case there are metal detectors to keep weapons out.

Again, back to Perry's point - those individuals with deranged intentions will find ways around "gun-free zones". At least give private citizens who are willing to go through the background checks and training a chance.

There was a college campus shooting a couple of years back that was stopped when two private citizens ran to their cars, got their guns, and confronted the assailant. The assailant had only killed two people at that point. How many lives did these two private citizens end up saving?
 

Svnla

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