Texas Ebola patient dies

[RandallFlagg]

A few things:

1. Ebola does not attack the respiratory system. It doesn't make you cough.

2. It is not so simple as "once it's in your system it's in your bodily fluids". It has to replicate enough times to reach the level where it does that. There's no evidence that the virus is present in sufficient quantities to infect someone else before people display symptoms.

And this is why people need to stop reading 2014 dis-information about ebola, and find out out about ebola by reading information printed prior to 2014.

On point #1 Where you state : "Ebola does not attack the respiratory system. It doesn't make you cough."

http://www.humanillnesses.com/original/E-Ga/Ebola-Fever.html

"What Are the Symptoms?

About 5 to 10 days after infection, people with Ebola get a fever, headache, and body aches. Frequently there is nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cough, chest pain, and sore throat."

On point #2 where you state : "There's no evidence that the virus is present in sufficient quantities to infect someone else before people display symptoms."

http://www.brettrussell.com/personal/transmit_before_signs_.html

"Recent studies however, indicate that even in the earlier stages of the Ebola infection, the virus can be present on the surface of the skin of the person who is infected with the virus (either through secretions of sweat through the skin, or in the later stages of the disease - through the virus escaping through the skin cells). Even in small quantities, the Ebola virus can reproduce rapidly if exposed to an area that is easily infected (such as the eyes)."


It is really interesting how the contagiousness and characteristics of Ebola supposedly changed in the last 3 months.

Is it Ebola that is feared, or is it the fear of fearing Ebola that is the real issue.

 

[massmedia]

that doctor should have been quarantined upon arrival in the us...preferrably before departure in africa.

it's amature hour in the US

 

[bshole]

In other news, Nina Pham is OK and will be released as will her dog Bentely. These two have completely melted my heart. She seems like such a sweet person. Her dog is criminally cute. I am so glad that everything is turning out ok for her and her adorable pooch.

 

[werepossum]

Pay close attention folks.

New York City is one of our most densely populated areas. This doctor, if stricken with Ebola, likely exposed thousands of people to it before the onset of symptoms.

If there is an outbreak in New York City, it is highly unlikely that any local level of quarantine is going to stop it.

As an afternote - their comment about it only being contractable while a patient is 'symptomatic' is bullshit. The virus is replicating well before outward signs present. You're simply far more likely to come in contact with it after the patient begins to cough / sneeze / vomit.

Thanks for the info.. Another thing I dont understand is why the "experts" say those infected with ebola are not contagious until they have fever,coughing,vomiting etc. I would think the once the virus is in your system it should be in your bodily fluids. I could see recently infected person much less likely to transmit it to others because the have not start coughing.
-Suppose I got infected,... several days go by, and the day before I notice a fever, I go to a gym workout on an elipitical machine and leave perspiration on the handles of the machine less than a min after I leave the machine the next person hops on and grabs the handles while exercising the wipe there eyes or pick their nose, I would think its reasonable to think they too could be now infected.

Think about how a viral infection spreads within the body. Within individual cells the virus (generally very tiny in comparison to the cell) replicate as the cell's immune system attempts to kill it. Individual virus copies can spread across cell walls or when replication bursts cell walls, at which point further and more sophisticated immune system responses attempt to stop it. From initial infection, only a tiny portion of the body's cells carry the virus. Fever results from the body's attempts to fight the invader; symptoms result from either the immune response or the virus itself interfering with the body's proper operation, but even at onset of symptoms, most of the body's cells probably remain virus-free. Before symptoms, the odds of any given excretion containing the virus are extremely low, and even if one contacts sweat containing virus, one's immune system can probably beat it. In the latter stages, most if not all cells (or at least of the affected cell types) are infected and indeed, literally bursting with virus copies. At that point, contact with bodily fluid is almost certainly contact with infected cells or excretions, and with virus in numbers sufficient to overwhelm the body's immune defenses. Thus sweat can be extremely safe before becoming symptomatic and extremely deadly in the later stages.

One thing that comes to my mind is that these people are going to have to start honoring self-isolation as isolation. Right now, they are treating self-isolation as a paid holiday right up until they decide they are symptomatic. Sooner or later someone is going to push that a bit too far - perhaps being on a plane or cruise ship when they become symptomatic. I don't see an epidemic resulting from that, but they could easily kill someone.

 

[echo4747]

In other news, Nina Pham is OK and will be released as will her dog Bentely. These two have completely melted my heart. She seems like such a sweet person. Her dog is criminally cute. I am so glad that everything is turning out ok for her and her adorable pooch.

glad to hear she is being released ... i think i heard that Amber Vinson condition is also improving too.

 

[werepossum]

In other news, Nina Pham is OK and will be released as will her dog Bentely. These two have completely melted my heart. She seems like such a sweet person. Her dog is criminally cute. I am so glad that everything is turning out ok for her and her adorable pooch.

Both those nurses were pretty cute. Perhaps if one is a hot nurse in the Ebolla ward, one should consider knocking out some teeth or investing in some ritual scarring. Ebolla may be a deadly virus, but apparently it has high standards.

 

[fskimospy]

And this is why people need to stop reading 2014 dis-information about ebola, and find out out about ebola by reading information printed prior to 2014.

On point #1 Where you state : "Ebola does not attack the respiratory system. It doesn't make you cough."

http://www.humanillnesses.com/original/E-Ga/Ebola-Fever.html

"What Are the Symptoms?

About 5 to 10 days after infection, people with Ebola get a fever, headache, and body aches. Frequently there is nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cough, chest pain, and sore throat."

I should have been more clear, you don't cough anything like you do with the flu or other things. Additionally, ebola is not present in large quantities in what you're coughing unlike with the flu.

Basically, if someone coughed or sneezed DIRECTLY on you while they were symptomatic with ebola you could potentially be infected by them. Other than that, it's not really a threat.

On point #2 where you state : "There's no evidence that the virus is present in sufficient quantities to infect someone else before people display symptoms."

http://www.brettrussell.com/personal/transmit_before_signs_.html

"Recent studies however, indicate that even in the earlier stages of the Ebola infection, the virus can be present on the surface of the skin of the person who is infected with the virus (either through secretions of sweat through the skin, or in the later stages of the disease - through the virus escaping through the skin cells). Even in small quantities, the Ebola virus can reproduce rapidly if exposed to an area that is easily infected (such as the eyes)."

Well that certainly looks like a credible site. I don't take my Ebola advice from a video game designer.

I am unaware of any study that shows Ebola is present in sufficient concentrations to be infectious in such a manner before a person develops symptoms.

It is really interesting how the contagiousness and characteristics of Ebola supposedly changed in the last 3 months.

Is it Ebola that is feared, or is it the fear of fearing Ebola that is the real issue.

None of it changed.

 

[bshole]

And bang!!! She meets the president.

 

[thraashman]

And bang!!! She meets the president.

What do you think the over/under is on how long before one of the crazies in P&N makes a comment about hoping she gives the President ebola?

 

[xBiffx]

What do you think the over/under is on how long before one of the crazies in P&N makes a comment about hoping she gives the President ebola?

Folks, this is what's referred to as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[werepossum]

And bang!!! She meets the president.

Wow, that's a hug.

"I'm the President - let me feel the boobies!"

First time I've ever wanted his job.

 

[DrPizza]

And this is why people need to stop reading 2014 dis-information about ebola, and find out out about ebola by reading information printed prior to 2014.

On point #1 Where you state : "Ebola does not attack the respiratory system. It doesn't make you cough."

http://www.humanillnesses.com/original/E-Ga/Ebola-Fever.html

"What Are the Symptoms?

About 5 to 10 days after infection, people with Ebola get a fever, headache, and body aches. Frequently there is nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cough, chest pain, and sore throat."

On point #2 where you state : "There's no evidence that the virus is present in sufficient quantities to infect someone else before people display symptoms."

http://www.brettrussell.com/personal/transmit_before_signs_.html

"Recent studies however, indicate that even in the earlier stages of the Ebola infection, the virus can be present on the surface of the skin of the person who is infected with the virus (either through secretions of sweat through the skin, or in the later stages of the disease - through the virus escaping through the skin cells). Even in small quantities, the Ebola virus can reproduce rapidly if exposed to an area that is easily infected (such as the eyes)."


It is really interesting how the contagiousness and characteristics of Ebola supposedly changed in the last 3 months.

Is it Ebola that is feared, or is it the fear of fearing Ebola that is the real issue.

Less serious side effects include:

• feeling dizzy or drowsy;
• mild nausea, vomiting, upset stomach, constipation;
• headache;
• blurred vision; or
• dry mouth.

serious side effects:

• shallow breathing, slow heartbeat;
• feeling light-headed, fainting;
• confusion, unusual thoughts or behavior;
• seizure (convulsions);
• easy bruising or bleeding; or
• nausea, stomach pain, loss of appetite, itching, dark urine, clay-colored stools, jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes).

Let me guess. Read those side effects and tell me if you would take that medication if you had a headache, or maybe a toothache. I'm guessing the answer is "no!"



Those are some of the side effects of Tylenol with Codeine. In other words, the drug that may be taken to cure a headache has a possibility of actually causing a headache. That doesn't mean it's going to. For you, just because you see "cough," doesn't mean someone's going to be incessantly coughing like they do with the flu, and it doesn't mean that the droplets they cough out are as contagious as those droplets when someone with the flu is coughing.