Texas Ebola patient dies

[Matt1970]

Yes they have been absolutely wrong every step of the way. Good christ I wonder if they are even doctors. I put in an order to sell ALL of my stock this morning (about a million dollars) after I heard about the 2nd nurse. A pandemic will take the market right back to 2008 levels or lower.

Um, $1M???? Really???? You're gonna pay out the a** in capital gains. And don't you hate rich people? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

Don't you love the hypocrisy. Declares the rich his absolute sworn enemy, then sells $1 Million in stocks.

 

[bshole]

Don't you love the hypocrisy. Declares the rich his absolute sworn enemy, then sells $1 Million in stocks.

That represents 25 years of savings and my entire retirement fund. It is called taking responsibility for my life..... a concept that you evidently are not aquainted with.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Oh I understand it quite well, but you are blatantly ignoring the other definition which states "own and employ healthcare resources and personnel". When you employ someone, they work for you. There was no need for the second definition if single-payer only describes the funding mechanism.

Go back and re read that until you understand it. It is *not* part of the definition of single payer.

"The term "single-payer" thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care financed by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work"

 

[bshole]

Hot damn, so much for the whole casual contact can't spread it meme from the CDC and ESKI...

I love the CDC, always there to close the gate after the horse has left the fucking barn. Someone should horsewhip this Friedan fellow.....

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-second-ebola-patient-20141015-story.html#page=1

Because the second nurse was among those known to have been exposed to Ebola, “she should not have traveled on a commercial airline,” Frieden said “The CDC guidance in this setting outlines the need for what is called controlled movement. That can include a charter plane; that can include a car; but it does not include public transport.

“We will, from this moment forward, ensure that no other individual who is being monitored for exposure undergoes travel in any way other than controlled movement,” Frieden said.

 

[Victorian Gray]

We will more than likely have socialized medicine in the future. I have known plenty of cancer patients and none of them were stuck with $100,000 medical bills. I do have news for you, if you think our government is going to just start writing the checks without being heavily involved, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

and you simply ignore the real world examples of how these systems work around the world.

And you think that insurance companies that are mandated to provide profits above all else are better suited to controlling medical payments?

One of these days maybe you will learn to think for yourself and use a bit of critical thinking on the world you live in. Boy are you in for a surprise.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

durn quotes

anyway, your link doesn't say anything about "casual contact" whatever you think that is.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Why didn't they do that years ago? What were they waiting for?

<sigh> Ever thought about what life will be like when you grow up and reach adulthood? I'm sure it will be a big adventure for you.

 

[BoberFett]

Liberal Logic: The government must be powerful enough to track a piece of fruit to ensure it's not brought in without being thoroughly inspected, but it's impossible to prevent people infected with Ebola from traveling anywhere they please.

 

[fskimospy]

"Conceal their point of origin"? How?

People from those West African countries would be traveling on their home country passports. That cannot be concealed.

Considering how often you guys complain about illegal immigration you should know that it's most certainly possible to enter the US without a passport.

Denying entry to those with actual passports would simply encourage people to use other, untraceable ways, which they would obviously do. It happens all the time. (this is also why the right's opposition to guest worker programs with Mexico never made any sense)

The CDC director's letter on this pretty much covers it:
http://blogs.cdc.gov/cdcdirector/2014/10/06/letter-to-the-editor-of-the-financial-times/

So unless you guys who constantly complain how porous our border is suddenly have decided that our borders are impregnable, a travel ban is a dumb, dumb, dumb idea. Having someone's origin concealed is the worst possible thing we could do.

People from those West African countries would be travel here on visa's we issued them. That would also show their port/country of origin. That cannot be concealed.

It most certainly would not if they traveled through a third country.

People from other countries who happened to travel through those West African countries would have had their passports stamped. We would therefore know they visited there etc. That cannot be concealed. (Disclaimer: I checked some of those countries to ensure they do the usual passport stamping, but not all.)

I'm going to guess you haven't actually visited any of these countries. Not only can passport stamping be concealed, many of these countries don't even bother. What a country claims they do and what a country actually does are two totally different things.

I still think the best course of action is to contain the outbreak to its country/point of origin and send in people and supplies to contain or eradicate it. Allowing it to escape was stupid.

Fern

There was no way we could ever have prevented its escape with an outbreak this large. Previous outbreaks have always been in geographically isolated areas with largely immobile populations. So replace "stupid" with "probably inevitable".

 

[Victorian Gray]

On SOME ailments our outcomes aren't any better; on others they are. And let's not forget that we're dealing with Americans - we are fatter, more violent (or at least better armed), and drive much more and much faster than our first world counterparts.

There's a reason why so many Canadians travel south for medical care - American care is better and more readily available, enough so that many Canadians are willing to pay out the nose for something they nominally receive for free.

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

 

[fskimospy]

Liberal Logic: The government must be powerful enough to track a piece of fruit to ensure it's not brought in without being thoroughly inspected, but it's impossible to prevent people infected with Ebola from traveling anywhere they please.

You don't actually believe that do you?

 

[BoberFett]

Why Bober, good to see ya. Are you looking for a hug..... ah come on over here and and we can play hide the sausage together..... would that you make feel better? Gawd I love you so much my brother from another mother.

Did you take my advice and dump your stock? I would like you to note the DJIA today November 15. I am predicting a DJIA of significantly less than 10K one year from today. My buy point is going to be 8K. This advice is my free gift to you because you are so dear to me. You are the only person on this forum who pays any attention to me whatsoever and I certainly do appreciate it.

Why would I take your advice? I'd rather just take your money.

Death the wealthy, right comrade?!

 

[fskimospy]

Hot damn, so much for the whole casual contact can't spread it meme from the CDC and ESKI...

I love the CDC, always there to close the gate after the horse has left the fucking barn. Someone should horsewhip this Friedan fellow.....

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-second-ebola-patient-20141015-story.html#page=1

Do you even bother to read the things you link? You're just making yourself look stupid(er).

 

[BoberFett]

<sigh> Ever thought about what life will be like when you grow up and reach adulthood? I'm sure it will be a big adventure for you.

If you don't have an answer just admit it, son.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He accompanied that woman to the hospital who had very very Ebola like systems. With Ebola raging all around over there, it is inconceivable he did not know. He lied.

She was pregnant and apparently it was believed that her problems were related to the pregnancy. At least that's the way any reputable source that I've seen has reported it.

 

[Fern]

Considering how often you guys complain about illegal immigration you should know that it's most certainly possible to enter the US without a passport.

Denying entry to those with actual passports would simply encourage people to use other, untraceable ways, which they would obviously do. It happens all the time. (this is also why the right's opposition to guest worker programs with Mexico never made any sense)
-snip-

Look - Now it's Eski who is talking Ebola coming across the Southern border.

Fern

 

[Victorian Gray]

Fuck him, and his family. . His lying ass caused this. Hope he rots in hell.

And if you actually are a Christian, you just sinned, Congratulations. May your god punish you appropriately.

 

[BoberFett]

You don't actually believe that do you?

I'm not even going to bother having this discussion with you. You're the person who believes the US government is qualified to manage healthcare, but somehow completely unable to distribute food staples rather than handing out cash and hoping people buy healthy food with it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If you don't have an answer just admit it, son.

I doubt that you are old enough to call me son.

 

[BoberFett]

I doubt that you are old enough to call me son.

When you make stupid, immature wisecracks about me "growing up" expect it right back, junior.

 

[werepossum]

Hot damn, so much for the whole casual contact can't spread it meme from the CDC and ESKI...

I love the CDC, always there to close the gate after the horse has left the fucking barn. Someone should horsewhip this Friedan fellow.....

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-second-ebola-patient-20141015-story.html#page=1

Remember that in the last Ebolla outbreak one of their doctors feared he had contracted Ebolla - he was nauseous, cramping, sweating bullets. Not wanting to be treated in Africa he put his nauseous, cramping, bullet-sweating body on a cramped commercial airliner and flew back to America. Luckily for everyone who came in contact with him, it was a much less virulent disease causing his symptoms.

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

Hmm. Canadians who have enough money after taxes intersected with Canadians willing to do something for themselves rather than wait to be told what to do . . . Yep, 0.5% sounds about right.

Look - Now it's Eski who is talking Ebola coming across the Southern border.

Fern

Well, yeah - but only if we don't welcome it into the country.

Find the most commonsense approach to solving any problem and you'll most likely find proggies telling you that's the worst thing you could do.

 

[squarecut1]

She was pregnant and apparently it was believed that her problems were related to the pregnancy. At least that's the way any reputable source that I've seen has reported it.

Yes, like I said in another later post, I take back what I said. Guess I got carried away with the outrage on lawsuit.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not even going to bother having this discussion with you. You're the person who believes the US government is qualified to manage healthcare, but somehow completely unable to distribute food staples rather than handing out cash and hoping people buy healthy food with it.

That is kind of amusing when one thinks about it. If one has a child in government school, government assumes one is totally incapable of deciding what that child should have for lunch and thus, government must dictate it. Conversely, if one is incapable of feeding one's child and oneself, government merely refills an EBT card every month and leaves its purchases totally up to the food stamp recipient. It's like proggies see inability to support oneself as evidence of super-ability in making food choices the rest of us aren't trusted to make for our children.

 

[Fern]

-snip-

People from those West African countries would be travel here on visa's we issued them. That would also show their port/country of origin. That cannot be concealed.

It most certainly would not if they traveled through a third country.

Here's how foreigners get visas to travel here: http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/visit/visitor.html

We'll know where they're from. It cannot be hidden.

Furthermore, the visa process looks like a good place to screen anyway; because basically the visa process is nothing but one big screening process.

Here's a sample visa. Notice it includes the person nationality and location of office where visa was issued: http://www.immihelp.com/visas/sample-usa-non-immigrant-visa.html

Yeah, we'll know.

Fern

 

[mizzou]

Those who travel on planes, buses, or trains publicly should be considered as flying with "intimate contact" of others.

Any intimate contact travel device should be scrutinized when there is a scare of a deadly disease outbreak.

I really really really REALLY hope the reason we aren't banning or scrutinizing the shit out of flying is due to business related reasons with airlines.