Texas Ebola patient dies

[Londo_Jowo]

Looks like the Texas hospital system doesn't like big federal government telling it what to do, and ignored the CDC protocols on Ebola:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Yep, those protocols are not in place in your beloved California either. Guess California is no better than Texas or any other state for that matter.

From your link

"The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place, and that those protocols are not in place anywhere in the United States as far as we can tell," National Nurses United Executive Director RoseAnn DeMoro said. "We're deeply alarmed."

 

[Sinsear]

We need a few more people to get ebola before the liberals start to take it seriously

 

[Matt1970]

We need a few more people to get ebola before the liberals start to take it seriously

Ebola Strikes Second Texas Hospital Worker and More Cases a 'Possibility'

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-strikes-texas-hospital-worker-cases-possibility/story?id=26206090

 

[doubledeluxe]

Pass.

I don't know you but if 1970 is the year of your birth then you're gen-x. Surely you can think beyond cold war stereotypes and old school socialist dogma?

We are last. Dead last. Of the industrialized first world nations out there we have the poorest healthcare system out there. Surely we can do better? Surely even you can see that if other nations are successful we would be wise to look at what they have and use our famous American ingenuity to come up with something better?

What we have right now is just embarrassing. Run a business? Healthcare is insanely expensive. Have someone sick in your family? Good luck. Get cancer? You will be facing, in a best case scenario, short term financial ruin unless you have fantastic insurance. Even then everyone I know who has gotten cancer has had at least $100,000 in extra bills beyond insurance. More if they lived.

 

[TheSlamma]

We need a few more people to get ebola before the liberals start to take it seriously

So what is the first step to conservative ebola panic? Gunz and bibles, tinfoil hat and duct tape or hold votes to kill those infected (as long as they are not white people) and their dogs

btw that is a reference to Joe Scarborough and Besty McCaughey insightful thoughts on how to deal with it.

 

[Brainonska511]

So if dollars spent correlates with research produced, we could cut our research in half and still hold first place with a healthy margin.

Would we? Because it would also work to cut back on people getting PhDs and/or staying in research in the first place, cutting us off at the knees for future generations. Research isn't something that can be turned on and off like a light switch.

 

[Matt1970]

I don't know you but if 1970 is the year of your birth then you're gen-x. Surely you can think beyond cold war stereotypes and old school socialist dogma?

We are last. Dead last. Of the industrialized first world nations out there we have the poorest healthcare system out there. Surely we can do better? Surely even you can see that if other nations are successful we would be wise to look at what they have and use our famous American ingenuity to come up with something better?

What we have right now is just embarrassing. Run a business? Healthcare is insanely expensive. Have someone sick in your family? Good luck. Get cancer? You will be facing, in a best case scenario, short term financial ruin unless you have fantastic insurance. Even then everyone I know who has gotten cancer has had at least $100,000 in extra bills beyond insurance. More if they lived.

We will more than likely have socialized medicine in the future. I have known plenty of cancer patients and none of them were stuck with $100,000 medical bills. I do have news for you, if you think our government is going to just start writing the checks without being heavily involved, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

 

[doubledeluxe]

People live a long time with cancer. It's never ending trial drugs and experimental treatment. A lot of your treatment will only be covered 75% or so. A $2000 bill here and there adds up quick. Then when the time comes to thrown in the towel it costs a lot of money to die with dignity at home.

$100,000 isn't that much when you consider the cost of healthcare in the USA. Insurance will not pay for all of it. It's an easy judgement call to make when you have someone sick. You borrow money from family. You take that second mortgage.

 

[doubledeluxe]

I do have news for you, if you think our government is going to just start writing the checks without being heavily involved, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

Well we do need new leadership so that we can have faith in our government again.

Government involvement works in the rest of the world. It's probably worth noting that incredibly corrupt governments have better healthcare than we do. Just look at the South American countries. That probably says a lot about our own country. We have leaders that don't lead.

 

[FerrelGeek]

We need a few more people to get ebola before the liberals start to take it seriously

As long as it stays in red states, they won't care.

 

[Sinsear]

Oops..

An official close to the situation says that in hindsight, Duncan should have been transferred immediately to either Emory University Hospital in Atlanta or Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

Those hospitals are among only four in the country that have biocontainment units and have been preparing for years to treat a highly infectious disease like Ebola.

 

[Brovane]

Oops..

Dooh - So does that mean they are going to transfer the health care worker(s) that got infected?

 

[Pneumothorax]

Oops..
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An official close to the situation says that in hindsight, Duncan should have been transferred immediately to either Emory University Hospital in Atlanta or Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

Those hospitals are among only four in the country that have biocontainment units and have been preparing for years to treat a highly infectious disease like Ebola.

Buu buuu buuuu
Ebola is only spread by bodily fluids.... It's very hard to catch.... Our modern health care system is more than ready for this disease.... BSBSBSBSBSBS

Ebola may not be technically airborne and it may just a bit more contagious than Hep C or HIV, but one big friggen difference between those viral illnesses and Ebola is that you don't have AIDS patients vomiting/pooping quarts & quarts of infectious liquid (that's hard to clean off I might add) laden with billions of infectious viral particles. Another big difference is that Ebola seems to be much hardier outside the human body than the stupid CDC gives it credit for. Finally, even if I accidentally stab myself with tainted blood from a HIV patient I have many effective options in preventing me from contracting the disease. I hope the holier than thou CDC (and western medicine in general) takes a good hard look at itself and realize we ain't so superior to our African counterparts after all!

The problem with putting all our Ebola patients in places like Emory is that I believe our country only has around 20+ or so beds like that! So I think the Obama admin really needs to look long and hard at a travel ban today

 

[doubledeluxe]

Wait we really only have 4 hospitals prepared to treat Ebola? That makes no sense. I wouldn't expect there to be bio containment units in every hospital but how about 1 per state!?

 

[fskimospy]

The problem with putting all our Ebola patients in places like Emory is that I believe our country only has around 20+ or so beds like that! So I think the Obama admin really needs to look long and hard at a travel ban today

Travel bans are an exceptionally dumb idea. They won't actually stop people from coming here and they inhibit our ability to treat the disease at its source, thus actually stopping new infected people from coming here.

There's a reason why all the experts are against it. As has been said by many people, the primary costs to society from an epidemic come from the irrational and ineffectual efforts of people to contain it.

 

[bshole]

Travel bans are an exceptionally dumb idea. They won't actually stop people from coming here and they inhibit our ability to treat the disease at its source, thus actually stopping new infected people from coming here.

Um..... right. If you hadn't noticed, we don't have to travel to Africa to treat it anymore. We have the start of epidemic right in our own back yard. I suppose it will become a serious issue for you once the first 1000 americans die. I think we are completely and utterly fucked. The CDC head should be fired immediately and replaced with someone who is going to treat this as a grave threat to America.

 

[fskimospy]

Um..... right. If you hadn't noticed, we don't have to travel to Africa to treat it anymore. We have the start of epidemic right in our own back yard. I suppose it will become a serious issue for you once the first 1000 americans die. I think we are completely and utterly fucked. The CDC head should be fired immediately and replaced with someone who is going to treat this as a grave threat to America.

I think you're a hysterical clown. I suppose you will learn your lesson once nothing of that sort happens. Actually, I don't suppose that. I imagine you will quickly forget your irrational and hysterical reaction here and pretend it never happened.

 

[doubledeluxe]

I'd rather err on the side of caution than downplay it though.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Travel bans are an exceptionally dumb idea. They won't actually stop people from coming here and they inhibit our ability to treat the disease at its source, thus actually stopping new infected people from coming here.

There's a reason why all the experts are against it. As has been said by many people, the primary costs to society from an epidemic come from the irrational and ineffectual efforts of people to contain it.

So you're saying that Duncan would've made it to our shores if all direct and connecting commercial air flights were banned from Western Africa? I don't buy the argument that it'll stop us from helping them as military and chartered flights will still be allowed in....

Gotta love those 'screening just for show' being done at our airports too. Nothing that ibuprofen 800mg + Tylenol 1000mg can't fix.

 

[bshole]

I think you're a hysterical clown. I suppose you will learn your lesson once nothing of that sort happens. Actually, I don't suppose that. I imagine you will quickly forget your irrational and hysterical reaction here and pretend it never happened.

Well I certainly hope and pray your are right and that I am wrong. Your lack of seriousness mirrors the CDC and it scares the shit out of me. If you want the graphic details of what it is like to die of this disease, please read the attached link. It is a horrific way to die.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ns-slowly-failed-begged-diaper-lay-dying.html

 

[bshole]

So you're saying that Duncan would've made it to our shores if all direct and connecting commercial air flights were banned from Western Africa? I don't buy the argument that it'll stop us from helping them as military and chartered flights will still be allowed in....

Agreed.... her argument made no sense whatsoever. But it doesn't matter anymore, we have the epedemic because of the letting people in. Sort of proves her wrong I guess.

 

[doubledeluxe]

A travel ban is idiotic because there are multiple modes of transportation. People take buses, trains, planes, etc. How do you propose stopping someone from flying to Canada or El Salvador and taking a bus here?

 

[surfsatwerk]

A travel ban is idiotic because there are multiple modes of transportation. People take buses, trains, planes, etc. How do you propose stopping someone from flying to Canada or El Salvador and taking a bus here?

We should build a fence!

 

[fskimospy]

So you're saying that Duncan would've made it to our shores if all direct and connecting commercial air flights were banned from Western Africa? I don't buy the argument that it'll stop us from helping them as military and chartered flights will still be allowed in....

I have no idea if that specific individual would have made it in or not, but I do know that plenty of other people would make it in and in those cases we would have no idea as to where they had come from, they would have further incentives to conceal their port of origin upon ending up here, and it would drive people underground once they arrived. All of those things would only make the problem worse.

Gotta love those 'screening just for show' being done at our airports too. Nothing that ibuprofen 800mg + Tylenol 1000mg can't fix.

I agree, the screening at airports is a waste of time and money. Its only purpose is to make people feel safe. Although the real problem in my opinion isn't that people can take fever reducing meds, it's that people aren't symptomatic for awhile after exposure.

 

[spacejamz]

A travel ban is idiotic because there are multiple modes of transportation. People take buses, trains, planes, etc. How do you propose stopping someone from flying to Canada or El Salvador and taking a bus here?

Isn't that like saying house door locks are idiotic because there are multiple entrances a thief can break into your house? At least the locks make it more difficult...