Texas Ebola patient dies

[WelshBloke]

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Seems legit!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I blamed Texas governor Rick Perry for the original hospital sending this Ebola patient home without the proper treatment

I blame Thomas Eric Duncan, he should have never lied about being in direct physical contact with someone that had ebola. He should have never boarded a plane to Europe and onward to the US. He could have infected hundreds of people during his travel.

 

[bshole]

I blame Thomas Eric Duncan, he should have never lied about being in direct physical contact with someone that had ebola. He should have never boarded a plane to Europe and onward to the US. He could have infected hundreds of people during his travel.

I am with Londo on this one.

 

[Pens1566]

I blame Thomas Eric Duncan, he should have never lied about being in direct physical contact with someone that had ebola. He should have never boarded a plane to Europe and onward to the US. He could have infected hundreds of people during his travel.

Apparently there is some debate as to whether or not he knew he'd been in contact with it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-ebola-patient-was-one-of-several-victims-in-liberian-town/

The woman he helped was the first local case, was pregnant, and was having abdominal pains.

At any rate, the ER staff in the Dallas hospital should be better at determining Ebola symptoms than a civilian in Liberia would.

 

[DrPizza]

At least one state has announced to its hospitals that if any uninsured patients come in with Ebola, Medicaid is going to cover those costs 100%. So, at least in that state, hospitals may seem less prone to dismissing questionable cases and sending patients away. I'm not saying this is necessarily the cause in Texas - that's being blamed on miscommunication. Could someone in such a professional position be that ignorant as to what's going on in Africa that she didn't pass that information on? Heck - look at the reactions in these threads - it would seem that there's a 90% chance that she was scrubbing herself and gargling with bleach as soon as the patient left the office. Is the nurse merely being thrown under the bus? Being used as an excuse for medical malfeasance? (just tossing that out - I have no reason not to believe it wasn't poor communication)

 

[WelshBloke]

At least one state has announced to its hospitals that if any uninsured patients come in with Ebola, Medicaid is going to cover those costs 100%. So, at least in that state, hospitals may seem less prone to dismissing questionable cases and sending patients away. I'm not saying this is necessarily the cause in Texas - that's being blamed on miscommunication. Could someone in such a professional position be that ignorant as to what's going on in Africa that she didn't pass that information on? Heck - look at the reactions in these threads - it would seem that there's a 90% chance that she was scrubbing herself and gargling with bleach as soon as the patient left the office. Is the nurse merely being thrown under the bus? Being used as an excuse for medical malfeasance? (just tossing that out - I have no reason not to believe it wasn't poor communication)

What if you come in with Ebola symptoms but turn out not to have it? I'd guess that's going to be most people presenting.
Will you then get charged?

(for the record I have no idea how or even if you bill people in an American ER)

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Question--Had he been admitted on his first visit and given treatment earlier, would his chances have improved?

Edit: It also looks like they didn't give him experimental drugs til October 4, which is 6 days after he was admitted. I wonder if that affected his chances.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Apparently there is some debate as to whether or not he knew he'd been in contact with it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-ebola-patient-was-one-of-several-victims-in-liberian-town/

The woman he helped was the first local case, was pregnant, and was having abdominal pains.

At any rate, the ER staff in the Dallas hospital should be better at determining Ebola symptoms than a civilian in Liberia would.

Early ebola symptoms are not much different than having the intestinal flu or a stomach virus.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Early ebola symptoms are not much different than having the intestinal flu or a stomach virus.

Precisely. Anyone who's been to an ER knows it can be an insanely busy place. It'd be very easy for a nurse to pass it off as a stomach bug. And given that the CDC and the admin have been telling people how the chance of getting Ebola is pretty improbable (no flaming of anyone intended here), it's not that unreasonable for his symptoms to have been dismissed as something innocuous.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At least one state has announced to its hospitals that if any uninsured patients come in with Ebola, Medicaid is going to cover those costs 100%. So, at least in that state, hospitals may seem less prone to dismissing questionable cases and sending patients away. I'm not saying this is necessarily the cause in Texas - that's being blamed on miscommunication. Could someone in such a professional position be that ignorant as to what's going on in Africa that she didn't pass that information on? Heck - look at the reactions in these threads - it would seem that there's a 90% chance that she was scrubbing herself and gargling with bleach as soon as the patient left the office. Is the nurse merely being thrown under the bus? Being used as an excuse for medical malfeasance? (just tossing that out - I have no reason not to believe it wasn't poor communication)

The nurses apparently did exactly what they were supposed to. The system failed to pass things along as they were intended and frankly there is no such thing as time to mistrust and do it manually if you have no reason to believe there's a problem. I don't know how good you would be if someone started tossing you pizza balls and said don't drop any or someone dies, but keeps tossing them at you anyway. At issue here is a misguided faith in software. The Feds and states are insisting they are inherently superior, but I get more errors from electronic systems than by any other. The idea is good but the implementation sucks at time, but those who make the rules and the software seem to be woefully ignorant of this fact.

 

[werepossum]

At least one state has announced to its hospitals that if any uninsured patients come in with Ebola, Medicaid is going to cover those costs 100%. So, at least in that state, hospitals may seem less prone to dismissing questionable cases and sending patients away. I'm not saying this is necessarily the cause in Texas - that's being blamed on miscommunication. Could someone in such a professional position be that ignorant as to what's going on in Africa that she didn't pass that information on? Heck - look at the reactions in these threads - it would seem that there's a 90% chance that she was scrubbing herself and gargling with bleach as soon as the patient left the office. Is the nurse merely being thrown under the bus? Being used as an excuse for medical malfeasance? (just tossing that out - I have no reason not to believe it wasn't poor communication)

For the first part, that's very smart. For the second, most people are clueless about everything. Unfortunately, as Hayabusa Rider points out we have an unfortunate tendency to buy a piece of software and declare the problem solved. A piece of software is not an implemented protocol, it's merely one piece of an implemented protocol.

What if you come in with Ebola symptoms but turn out not to have it? I'd guess that's going to be most people presenting.
Will you then get charged?

(for the record I have no idea how or even if you bill people in an American ER)

We bill the shit out of 'em.

Lots of people don't pay, but we still bill the shit out of 'em.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If you read reports from Africa he did in fact know he was exposed. They are reporting the pregnant lady was in fact his girlfriend and that her brother died the day after she did. His boss and coworkers also reveal he knew he was exposed.

The man is a POS of the first order.

Starting to get nervous...... is this it then? Civilization ender?

It's amazing the crap that folks like you seem to be willing to accept and spread while you quake with fear waiting for the next outrage to be upset about.

You're willing to accept the most outlandish stories and anonymously impugn a dead man and his family because, why? Because you can? Because you're scared?

Truly pathetic.

The incident happened 4 days before he left. Her brother died a week later, not the next day.

"MONROVIA, Liberia — A man who flew to Dallas and was later found to have the Ebola virus was identified by senior Liberian government officials on Wednesday as Thomas Eric Duncan, a resident of Monrovia in his mid-40s.


Mr. Duncan, the first person to develop symptoms outside Africa during the current epidemic, had direct contact with a woman stricken by Ebola on Sept. 15, just four days before he left Liberia for the United States, the woman’s parents and Mr. Duncan’s neighbors said.


In a pattern often seen here in Monrovia, the Liberian capital, the family of the woman, Marthalene Williams, 19, took her by taxi to a hospital with Mr. Duncan’s help on Sept. 15 after failing to get an ambulance, said her parents, Emmanuel and Amie Williams. She was convulsing and seven months pregnant, they said.


Turned away from a hospital for lack of space in its Ebola treatment ward, the family said it took Ms. Williams back home in the evening, and that she died hours later, around 3 a.m.

Mr. Duncan, who was a family friend and also a tenant in a house owned by the Williams family, rode in the taxi in the front passenger seat while Ms. Williams, her father and her brother, Sonny Boy, shared the back seat, her parents said. Mr. Duncan then helped carry Ms. Williams, who was no longer able to walk, back to the family home that evening, neighbors said."


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/w...overage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article&_r=0


The guy may not have had the best judgement in the world. Although he may well have thought her issues were pregnancy related he probably should have at least talked to a doctor afterwards. But this kind of attack is simply disgusting.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If you read reports from Africa he did in fact know he was exposed. They are reporting the pregnant lady was in fact his girlfriend and that her brother died the day after she did. His boss and coworkers also reveal he knew he was exposed.

The man is a POS of the first order.

Starting to get nervous...... is this it then? Civilization ender?

Almost forgot, is this you?

 

[Pens1566]

Early ebola symptoms are not much different than having the intestinal flu or a stomach virus.

Except when combined with recent travel to/from one of the areas in W. Africa where the outbreak is occurring. The staff knew of both, and they either ignored it or didn't put it together.

Otherwise, I agree.

 

[WelshBloke]

Except when combined with recent travel to/from one of the areas in W. Africa where the outbreak is occurring. The staff knew of both, and they either ignored it or didn't put it together.

Otherwise, I agree.

I'd imagine that stomach conditions aren't particularly unusual in people that have visited West Africa.

 

[werepossum]

It's amazing the crap that folks like you seem to be willing to accept and spread while you quake with fear waiting for the next outrage to be upset about.

You're willing to accept the most outlandish stories and anonymously impugn a dead man and his family because, why? Because you can? Because you're scared?

Truly pathetic.

The incident happened 4 days before he left. Her brother died a week later, not the next day.

"MONROVIA, Liberia — A man who flew to Dallas and was later found to have the Ebola virus was identified by senior Liberian government officials on Wednesday as Thomas Eric Duncan, a resident of Monrovia in his mid-40s.

Mr. Duncan, the first person to develop symptoms outside Africa during the current epidemic, had direct contact with a woman stricken by Ebola on Sept. 15, just four days before he left Liberia for the United States, the woman’s parents and Mr. Duncan’s neighbors said.

In a pattern often seen here in Monrovia, the Liberian capital, the family of the woman, Marthalene Williams, 19, took her by taxi to a hospital with Mr. Duncan’s help on Sept. 15 after failing to get an ambulance, said her parents, Emmanuel and Amie Williams. She was convulsing and seven months pregnant, they said.

Turned away from a hospital for lack of space in its Ebola treatment ward, the family said it took Ms. Williams back home in the evening, and that she died hours later, around 3 a.m.

Mr. Duncan, who was a family friend and also a tenant in a house owned by the Williams family, rode in the taxi in the front passenger seat while Ms. Williams, her father and her brother, Sonny Boy, shared the back seat, her parents said. Mr. Duncan then helped carry Ms. Williams, who was no longer able to walk, back to the family home that evening, neighbors said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/w...overage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article&_r=0

The guy may not have had the best judgement in the world. Although he may well have thought her issues were pregnancy related he probably should have at least talked to a doctor afterwards. But this kind of attack is simply disgusting.

I don't see how you can impugn his judgement. Can you honestly say you'd refuse to help a pregnant young woman in dire straits? Maybe he didn't take sensible precautions, but then again, maybe he took every precaution available to him in that situation. Plenty of doctors and nurse actually caring for Ebolla patients in Africa are contracting Ebolla - it's a nasty disease in a dirt poor, backward part of the world.

Also makes me wonder how many people refuse to go anywhere near anyone who looks sick - and then contract the disease in a freakin' taxi.

I'd imagine that stomach conditions aren't particularly unusual in people that have visited West Africa.

lol I applaud your gift for understatement, sir.

 

[massmedia]

flu season approaches...

should be interesting to see how the hospitals handle millions of people who think they might have Ebola... and then differentiate and successfully identify those who actually do have Ebola before they spread it around.

 

[Albatross]

Is this virus resistant to cold?

 

[Wreckem]

Good ole Jesse race baiting in Dallas. Getting the family to file lawsuits as well.

Why wasn't he given Zmapp? There is zero left.
Why wasn't he given a blood transfusion? His blood type didn't match the survivors in the US.

 

[shira]

Is this virus resistant to cold?

The virus doesn't live in the open environment. It lives (to the extent that any virus can be said to be "living") inside the bodies of its hosts - fruit bats, humans, and probably other mammals, where its dark, warm, and moist.

 

[squarecut1]

We all have to go but would Mr. Duncan have ever imagined that he would be discussed by tens of millions on the net, be on the tv worldwide, in newspapers around the world. That he would become one of the most well known name and face in the world. Life can be strange...

 

[squarecut1]

Getting the family to file lawsuits as well.

.

Greed in our society is a far bigger virus than ebola ever could be. Eating away at its very core. Leaving it hollow, less than human. Atleast with ebola, a person only dies once..

If only people could see and take precautions, but they won't. Such is the power of infection of this deadly virus.

 

[Victorian Gray]

And back to the part of the world where this is a *real* problem:

A Hospital From Hell, in a City Swamped by Ebola

"MAKENI, Sierra Leone — “Where’s the corpse?” the burial-team worker shouted, kicking open the door of the isolation ward at the government hospital here. The body was right in front of him, a solidly built young man sprawled out on the floor all night, his right hand twisted in an awkward clench.

The other patients, normally padlocked inside, were too sick to look up as the body was hauled away. Nurses, some not wearing gloves and others in street clothes, clustered by the door as pools of the patients’ bodily fluids spread to the threshold. A worker kicked another man on the floor to see if he was still alive. The man’s foot moved and the team kept going. It was 1:30 in the afternoon."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html?_r=0

 

[squarecut1]

We all have to go but would Mr. Duncan have ever imagined that he would be discussed by tens of millions on the net, be on the tv worldwide, in newspapers around the world. That he would become one of the most well known name and face in the world. Life can be strange...

And to add, if he had not taken that flight to USA, he would have been another nameless, faceless death in Africa. Just a tiny little part of stats.

But if it is America, it changes everything. The news, the importance, the fame...

 

[shortylickens]

I think that a lot of people have been assuming that the high death rate (71% in the current epidemic, according the the latest analysis) of Ebola has been due to the poor medical care available in Africa, and that the death rate would be a lot lower in first-world countries. But now it's being reported that Thomas Eric Duncan has died, despite receiving first-class care in an American hospital.

It's pretty typical for people to engage in "us/them" reasoning in order to psychologically insulate themselves from frightening things that are happening to "that other group." And we in America are doing this right now with respect to Ebola. Obviously, with only only imported cases so far, we're a long way from an Ebola epidemic here in America. But there's still a lot we don't understand about this virus. Let's hope that it's as hard to catch, and as easy to control, as we're being told.

we havent found a cure for AIDS, have we?