Texas Ebola patient dies

[Hayabusa Rider]

Beating North Korea at orders of magnitude the cost, the new Republican definition of a successful health care system

Actually you had a chance for real reform and instead Obamacare what shoved down our throats by Democrat hacks that it never happened. Anyone who said we should have been working on real improvement was shouted down as "corporatists" or "republican shills". Every excuse was made for lack of vision, every attack possible made in defense of something which was ultimately diversionary. But what was wanted by most was for the Democrats to win or lose, and what was done really didn't matter. Now I see another call for "universal coverage" to be overseen by those who last week just screwed up so badly to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in unnecessary foolish regulation regarding hydrocodone that it's absolutely insane. But that won't matter because those who support politics as health care have CBD with religious fervor, it's just their God is DC.

Yeah I'm not very forgiving of hacks substituting their demigods in Washington for sound judgement.

 

[fskimospy]

They are under-compensated, you see

It's true. The US has some of the most highly compensated doctors in the world and our health system consumes a greater percentage of our GDP than anyone.

Clearly the problem here is that both private insurance insurance and Medicare aren't paying doctors enough.

 

[fskimospy]

Actually you had a chance for real reform and instead Obamacare what shoved down out throats by Democrat hacks that it never happened. Anyone who said we should have been working on real improvement was shouted down as "corporatists" or "republican shills". Every excuse was made for lack of vision, every attack possible made in defense of something which was ultimately diversionary. But what was wanted by most was for the Democrats to win or lose, and what was done really didn't matter. Now I see another call for "universal coverage" to be overseen by those who last week just screwed up so badly to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in unnecessary foolish regulation regarding hydrocodone that it's absolutely insane. But that won't matter because those who support politics as health care have CBD with religious fervor, it's just their God is DC.

Yeah I'm not very forgiving of hacks substituting their demigods in Washington for sound judgement.

I'd have to say that so far this catastrophic, tyrannical, "no real improvement" health care plan has insured more people than anticipated, cost less than anticipated, and has coincided with a dramatic slowdown of health care inflation, some of which has generally been attributed to the effects of the law. Truly, only an unprincipled hack could be happy at that.

If this is a disaster, I'm very interested to see what normal would be!

 

[Strk]

Actually, I think I recall that studying the ww1 flu showed that current flus are 3 mutations away from becoming like the ww1 flue.

I doubt it. Part of what made the Spanish Flu so deadly was its ability to trigger a cytokine storm. While still very dangerous, it is treatable. The bigger concern would be people acting like it's nothing and waiting to go to the hospital.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'd have to say that so far this catastrophic, tyrannical, "no real improvement" health care plan has insured more people than anticipated, cost less than anticipated, and has coincided with a dramatic slowdown of health care inflation, some of which has generally been attributed to the effects of the law. Truly, only an unprincipled hack could be happy at that.

If this is a disaster, I'm very interested to see what normal would be!

Which did nothing to improve the system whatsoever. Just like then only an unprincipled hack would be happy with that, and you got what you wanted. But Obama won! Rejoice.

 

[blake0812]

He probably died because, if you think about it, he was already in the late stages of the infection and no medicine could have saved him. The other guys caught it and were treated immediately.

 

[WelshBloke]

I definitely want you to go hunker down in your disease fear cabin, as that would be hilarious.

Whoa! He really has a bunker?

Gonna need to get filters on the air intakes capable of stopping viruses.

If he does go I'm willing to pay to see a Web Cam of him inside for, say, 6 months.

Are there pictures of this bunker?

 

[fskimospy]

Which did nothing to improve the system whatsoever. Just like then only an unprincipled hack would be happy with that, and you got what you wanted. But Obama won! Rejoice.

More people insured for less money combined with lower overall costs for everyone did nothing to improve the system? Only a truly delusional individual or someone who is simply too proud to admit they were wrong would call that "no improvement whatsoever".

I don't care about Obama winning, I just care about better policy. Considering the results so far the ACA has been that by any reasonable, objective measure.

 

[Brovane]

They are under-compensated, you see

You realize that medical provider compensation is just one piece of the puzzle right?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

More people insured for less money combined with lower overall costs for everyone did nothing to improve the system? Only a truly delusional individual or someone who is simply too proud to admit they were wrong would call that "no improvement whatsoever".

I don't care about Obama winning, I just care about better policy. Considering the results so far the ACA has been that by any reasonable, objective measure.

Actually you do care. You invested your entire faith in Obamacare. You don't know the difference between health care and insurance. Back then you shouted down real informed changes in the system down saying you wouldn't expect politicians to take the time and devote resources and it would take years. Well years elapsed and sure changes in insurance have happened, and some of them good, but instead of reform and restoration you buffed things out and that is just what you wanted. You are simply too ignorant and invested to get that, and so now whatever shortcomings you imagine rest squarely on the shoulders of people like you. No thinking, no understanding, no vision, your perfect solution.

 

[fskimospy]

Actually you do care. You invested your entire faith in Obamacare.

No I didn't. My goal is universal single payer insurance, this is just a step along the way.

You don't know the difference between health care and insurance.

Of course I do, don't be silly.

Back then you shouted down real informed changes in the system down saying you wouldn't expect politicians to take the time and devote resources and it would take years.

No, I simply informed you that the blue-ribbon commission you kept saying you wanted to create was not only a redundant waste of time, but it was a guaranteed way to ensure that nothing happened. If you understood either the state of the literature on health reform or how government functioned you wouldn't have made such a foolhardy suggestion.

Actually, I believe you know full well that nothing would have happened but found this to be a convenient excuse for inaction.

Well years elapsed and sure changes in insurance have happened, and some of them good, but instead of reform and restoration you buffed things out and that is just what you wanted. You are simply too ignorant and invested to get that, and so now whatever shortcomings you imagine rest squarely on the shoulders of people like you. No thinking, no understanding, no vision, your perfect solution.

Fact-free rhetoric. It must be making you crazy to see the ACA working better than anyone anticipated.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Fact-free rhetoric. It must be making you crazy to see the ACA working better than anyone anticipated.

Link?

 

[fskimospy]

Link?

Wait, you really weren't aware of this? How odd.

Enrollments exceeded projections:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/u...ush-health-care-enrollment-above-targets.html

Insurance premiums have gone up less than expected and total costs are trending lower:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/obamacare-premium-increase-2015-105685.html

Health care inflation has been much lower than normal (while the exact causes of this are debatable, most people give at least some credit to the ACA):

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/33/1/67.abstract

It's pretty hard to see how that's anything other than success, unless of course you're desperately looking for something not to succeed.

 

[werepossum]

Well WHOOSH.

Sometimes the noise you think is your point going over people's heads is merely the sound of your point sucking. This is why only you can hear it.

Can I have some more details about your imaginary scenario first?

Do I get special mutant powers as well?

LMAO +1

Link?

Cue blogs and ThinkProgress.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Actually, I believe you know full well that nothing would have happened but found this to be a convenient excuse for inaction.

What I suggested was much more than some panel that you could subvert. You also fail to note that I've been calling for significant reform free from political bollocks, like those you want to have run things did with reclassifying hydrocodone at fabulous costs and complexity, but since you know about such things you know all that already don't you? Since you are an expert in such things why don't you explain to us how that's problematic. That should be good for a laugh. Have you spent working one hour in your entire life as a provider trying to deal with nonsense bureaucracy? No, but you pretend that you understand. You don't want changes, your conservative brain wants a different version of the status quo just run by your demigods. I'm done with you for now. In most things I can at least see your perspective if I disagree, but you are so invested in substandard solutions which can only be the result of our political system, one so interested in how things look rather than work, that you are blind, naked, and deaf intellectually. Ill informed and damned well determine to stay that way. For now *click*

 

[fskimospy]

Cue blogs and ThinkProgress.

It's a rare case where someone owns themselves after the post that proves them wrong has already been posted, so bravo on that one.

 

[blake0812]

Guys, you may want to check this out.

https://8chan.co/pol/res/165844.html (NSFW link)

If true, then people in TN should buy a gas mask asap. personally I'd take it with a grain of salt but there are several pictures if you scroll down.


EDIT: Turned out to be just the flu. Ignore

 

[theeedude]

You realize that medical provider compensation is just one piece of the puzzle right?

Not my problem. There is enough money going in.

 

[WelshBloke]

While I appreciate you guys going on (and on, and on) about how your health care is and how it should be run, can we get back to the important point.

When are we going to get pictures of bsholes ebola (and zombie?) proof bunker?

 

[Brovane]

Not my problem. There is enough money going in.

It is your problem if you want to discuss solutions.

 

[Brovane]

While I appreciate you guys going on (and on, and on) about how your health care is and how it should be run, can we get back to the important point.

When are we going to get pictures of bsholes ebola (and zombie?) proof bunker?

Don't know about anybody else but I am stockpiled up.

 

[werepossum]

It's a rare case where someone owns themselves after the post that proves them wrong has already been posted, so bravo on that one.

Hey, I didn't think you had it in you.

Don't know about anybody else but I am stockpiled up.

Holy crap!

What kind of scope do you mount to shoot airborne Ebolla?

 

[doubledeluxe]

If it was a CT scan or something of that type that's particularly ridiculous as your average charge for a CT scan is somewhere around $400-500 even if you have no insurance.

Was a MRI if my back. $5000 on the dot.

Blue shield California. 3.5 million customers. Feel free to blame the provider all you (global you) want. I did.

It's the system. Its lousy. Tough to truly see how bad it us until you've used universal type healthcare systems in other countries.

If it was a CT scan or something of that type that's particularly ridiculous as your average charge for a CT scan is somewhere around $400-500 even if you have no insurance.

Was a MRI if my back. $5000 on the dot.

 

[fskimospy]

Hey, I didn't think you had it in you.

I have to say that I don't think I have ever linked to ThinkProgress, Daily Kos, or anything like that. If I have, it's extremely rare. I don't find liberal sources like that any more credible than conservative ones.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not my problem. There is enough money going in.

There's too much being invested in other things, like Silicon Valley. Time to cut your wages.

There needs to be a whole lot of things done just in prep work to figure out what's going on, then more "what if" modelling without some politician getting his fingers in the pie. That's the most difficult thing because too many are stuck in a mentality where the way things were are how they should be now and for all time. I expect that any good plan will initially cost a lot of money up front because there's going to be a need of transitioning and investment. You can't expect things to not collapse if proper management isn't done. Eventually things could be better, but considering who some want to be the masters I don't see anything being much different than now. Too much ignorance and lust for control over things not even understood at a most basic level. Like I said the change of hydrocodone just sucked up a whole bunch of money simply because of the regulatory requirements of C-IIs. This was a political solution of this medication being abused by some, but it isn't a medical one. Physicians can still prescribe it but the storage and paperwork don't affect them at all and so there's no disincentive to prescribe, no politician will look deep enough to get some ideas of what might be more reasonably done. As federal law exists hydrocodone could be refilled. By moving it to a C-II what will ultimately cost millions upon millions (and already has just to comply with those regs) they cannot except in special circumstances which are rare exceptions in specific settings. What could (and should) have happened was this

A Law
"No hydrocodone containing medication may be refilled. Further the supply of medication authorized may be for more than a 30 day supply per order issued."

No onerous and irrelevant burden but it would eliminate refills for the 6 months that was previously allowed. No one in DC was bright enough to even think about what might work and what it would cost. Money removed from the system for care for foolishness, and yes that's your problem if you expect things to get better.