Texas deathrow inmate's last words

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Aharami

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Originally posted by: rubix
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/herreraleonellast.htm

http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/fiveRs3.html

"I am an innocent man."

Leonel Torres Herrera was convicted and sentenced to death for the 1982 murders of two police officers. New evidence was brought forward which proved that Herrera's brother committed the murders. By Texas law, which states that any new evidence must be presented within 30 days of the conviction, this new revelation was irrelevant. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Texas ruling, arguing that Herrera's claim of "actual innocence" was in itself not a constitutional claim for which judicial relief could be granted. Thus, though the court agreed he was innocent, Leonel was executed on May 12, 1993.

Go texas :roll:
:thumbsdown:
 

Nerva

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i wonder if you can launch into a speech that's like hours long?
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: Lazy8s
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statistics/deathrow/drowlist/howard.jpg
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/howardronaldlast.htm
http://www.ronrhoward.org/

WTF.....his family claims he's innocent on the website and that his execution is unjust, but then if you read his section he says he's guilty and doesnt know where he went wrong. This is what I don't get about families, if your kid says he's guilty freakin believe him.

he didn't say he was guilty at all....not in the least
 

Triumph

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: rubix
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/herreraleonellast.htm

http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/fiveRs3.html

"I am an innocent man."

Leonel Torres Herrera was convicted and sentenced to death for the 1982 murders of two police officers. New evidence was brought forward which proved that Herrera's brother committed the murders. By Texas law, which states that any new evidence must be presented within 30 days of the conviction, this new revelation was irrelevant. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Texas ruling, arguing that Herrera's claim of "actual innocence" was in itself not a constitutional claim for which judicial relief could be granted. Thus, though the court agreed he was innocent, Leonel was executed on May 12, 1993.

Without getting into the case at hand, that policy does seem pretty f-ed up. You only have 30 days to exonerate yourself? If a video of the killing arises, with the killer clearly represented in high definition TV, with the killer's grandmother in the film identifying the killer by name, and 3 witnesses to the crime of 3 different races are present, if that video surfaces on the 31st day after the conviction, it doesn't matter? That is F'ed up.
 

QED

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: rubix
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/herreraleonellast.htm

http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/fiveRs3.html

"I am an innocent man."

Leonel Torres Herrera was convicted and sentenced to death for the 1982 murders of two police officers. New evidence was brought forward which proved that Herrera's brother committed the murders. By Texas law, which states that any new evidence must be presented within 30 days of the conviction, this new revelation was irrelevant. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Texas ruling, arguing that Herrera's claim of "actual innocence" was in itself not a constitutional claim for which judicial relief could be granted. Thus, though the court agreed he was innocent, Leonel was executed on May 12, 1993.

Without getting into the case at hand, that policy does seem pretty f-ed up. You only have 30 days to exonerate yourself? If a video of the killing arises, with the killer clearly represented in high definition TV, with the killer's grandmother in the film identifying the killer by name, and 3 witnesses to the crime of 3 different races are present, if that video surfaces on the 31st day after the conviction, it doesn't matter? That is F'ed up.

That would be F'ed up if true... but alas it is not.

Herrera was suspect in the killing of two officers within a single hour in seperate incidents. The first officer was dead at the scene, but the second officer survived long enough to ID Herrara as his killer. The second officer's partner also was able to ID Herrera as the killer, as well as provide the plate number for the vehicle driven by the shooter-- which turned out to be a car owned by Herrara's girlfriend.

Herrera's Social Security card was found at the scene of the first shooting. His pants, shirt, and wallet he was carrying when arrested had blood on them-- Type A blood-- the same blood type as the first officer that was shot.

And, oh yeah... let's not forget the fact he plead GUILTY in the murder of the first officer.

So if you are at all a little suspicious that after his older brother dies suddenly Herrera and his family are insistent that his dead brother was the true killer in both murders, that's because you should be suspicious.

 

thescreensavers

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Aug 3, 2005
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I wonder what they do you say your last words and as soon as you say that is they inject you right away or I wonder what do they do to kill u
 

razor2025

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I love how some posters here posting their gun-ho attitude, "Hang'em". I wonder how fast their opinion will change when it's THEIR butt in the death-row for crime they didn't commit. Even one wrongful execution is wrong.

How about this, can we execute the prosecutor who wrongfully charged the innocents who were executed? How about the juries? Can we execute them too? What about the judge that gave the setence? I mean, if an innocent man is killed by the state, isn't everyone who were involved in setting/carrying out the setence committing murder? Talk about hypocrisy.
 

notfred

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Feb 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: MathMan
Originally posted by: razor2025
Even one wrongful execution is wrong.

True. But even one murderer getting off is just as wrong.

No, it's called "mercy" when someone is releived of a punushment that they deserved. It's called "murder" when someone is killed for a crime they didn't commit.
 

orakle

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Has anyone found any people with a ridiculous amount of education? Most of the ones I've seen are like High School Diploma (or GED) at best....
 

QED

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: MathMan
Originally posted by: razor2025
Even one wrongful execution is wrong.

True. But even one murderer getting off is just as wrong.

No, it's called "mercy" when someone is releived of a punushment that they deserved. It's called "murder" when someone is killed for a crime they didn't commit.



We'll have to agree to disagree, but I would call them both "travesties".

Is OJ walking free after killing two people just "mercy"?

 

astrocase

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Originally posted by: razor2025
I love how some posters here posting their gun-ho attitude, "Hang'em". I wonder how fast their opinion will change when it's THEIR butt in the death-row for crime they didn't commit. Even one wrongful execution is wrong.

How about this, can we execute the prosecutor who wrongfully charged the innocents who were executed? How about the juries? Can we execute them too? What about the judge that gave the setence? I mean, if an innocent man is killed by the state, isn't everyone who were involved in setting/carrying out the setence committing murder? Talk about hypocrisy.

I wonder how you'll feel when that guy who raped, tortured, and murdered your whole family in front of you is allowed to eat 3 square meals a day, read all the books he wants, and butt rape other inmates.
 

razor2025

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Originally posted by: astrocase

I wonder how you'll feel when that guy who raped, tortured, and murdered your whole family in front of you is allowed to eat 3 square meals a day, read all the books he wants, and butt rape other inmates.

Did you not read my entire post? I said innocent, not guilty. Geez... reading comprehension in ATOT sure is abysmal.
 

ta8689

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The very worst feeling I can imagine is to stand ther about to die by orders of the United Sates of America while I was innocent. Not just the fact that they kill you, but the fact that they first make everyone believe that you did something so horrible that you deserve death for it. I hope it never happens to me, my friends, my family, or any of you.
 

Mrvile

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Oct 16, 2004
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Originally posted by: ta8689
The very worst feeling I can imagine is to stand ther about to die by orders of the United Sates of America while I was innocent. Not just the fact that they kill you, but the fact that they first make everyone believe that you did something so horrible that you deserve death for it. I hope it never happens to me, my friends, my family, or any of you.

Agreed. That's probably one of the worst feelings ever. I'm not anti death penalty, but executing an innocent person "by the law" is one of most wrong things anyone can do. Ahh, I wish there was just a better way.