Texas Conservatives converting to Islam

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: daniel49
interesting....kind of reminds me of white teens that like to act like thier from the hood?
Maybe some peoples dispositions are just like that. Grass is always greener on the other side?


Do you think it would work the same way they do with the african killer bees where they try to docile them by breeding them with honeybees?

I keep trying to imagine this documentry done in a 360 degree manner where 3-4 Iranians have converted to Christianity, and we are cruising around Iran filming.
guess my imagination isn't that good.

Well, until the states begin taking the laws of Iran, of course your memory will not be that good. How about you got to any other country in the world and find some Islams converting to Christianity instead of a state that practices a State Religion (Iran.)

I am sure if you expanded your mind beyond trying to say that Iran and the US are the same, than you will find examples of what you are looking for.

face it the closet thing to a free society in the muslim world is turkey, and # 2 would be...............wait there is no number 2.

Indonesia?

India?

Egypt is dominantly Muslim as well.

Face it, there are countries out there where Muslims can become Christians and Vice versa without being killed.

Well lets start with India thats by far the easiest. Its predominately Hindu (80%)

Religion: 80% Hindu, 14% Muslim, 2.4% Christian, 2% Sikh, 0.7% Buddhist, 0.5% Jains, 0.4% other

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Indonesia:
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Egypt:
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this is not to say these countries cannot come out of the darkages and learn tolerance , just that they have much work to do.

Yeah and if they follow Christian example, which you made out to be a civilized society. They still have another 500 year leeway.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yeah and if they follow Christian example, which you made out to be a civilized society. They still have another 500 year leeway.

Societies existed before religion, but I would think if we claim that they didn't, it should be something like 200 or 300 years instead of 500 because Christianity wasn't dominant and privileged until Constantine I. Islam was dominant/privileged from early in its history.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yeah and if they follow Christian example, which you made out to be a civilized society. They still have another 500 year leeway.

Societies existed before religion, but I would think if we claim that they didn't, it should be something like 200 or 300 years instead of 500 because Christianity wasn't dominant and privileged until Constantine I. Islam was dominant/privileged from early in its history.

That is true, I was thinking of the actions of the church as a whole throughout Europe, and the treatment of the pagans under the church, or"infidels".

On another note, since Chrisianity and Islam existed at the same time, I wonder why Christianity became more tolerable, while Islamd stayed the same.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RichardE

Yeah and if they follow Christian example, which you made out to be a civilized society. They still have another 500 year leeway.

Societies existed before religion, but I would think if we claim that they didn't, it should be something like 200 or 300 years instead of 500 because Christianity wasn't dominant and privileged until Constantine I. Islam was dominant/privileged from early in its history.

That is true, I was thinking of the actions of the church as a whole throughout Europe, and the treatment of the pagans under the church, or"infidels".

On another note, since Chrisianity and Islam existed at the same time, I wonder why Christianity became more tolerable, while Islamd stayed the same.

Separation of church and state, the only Islamic country to come close to that ideal is Turkey and it requires the threat of their generals to intervine if the politicians try to turn it into an Islamic State.

Western Secularism and Liberalism which allowed the west to be were it is today is actually considered the greatest threat to Islam by many radical Islamists who violently oppose it and also by the vast majority of muslims who while not being violent about it can not accept a society that separates religion from the state.

The Turkish governmental system has no difference with those of many European countries which separate religion from the affairs of the state



Largest Islamic country going against secular liberalism

However, the fatwa that brewed up the biggest storm was the one that categorised religious liberalism, secularism, and religious pluralism as haram (forbidden). From the point of view of the MUI, a profession of these values equates with a break with Islam because these values are described as being incompatible with the true Islam.

In its statement, the council defines religious liberalism as Islamic thought that is not based on a religious foundation, but which instead subscribes to the freedom of human intellectual capacity.

Secularism is defined as a view of the world according to which religion only regulates the relationship between individuals and God, while the relationship between humans is not regulated by any religious order at all, but must instead be negotiated by people themselves.

Finally, pluralism is defined as the conviction that all religious are equal and their respective claims to the truth are ultimately only relative, and that no religion can claim to propagate the one and only truth

 

[alchemize]

I thought this was a joke at first. What's funny is this is basically morons that want "more conservative" religion than Baptist! They don't care about the faith/allah, they just want the ultra conservative way of life.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When we all convert to Islam, of course, we will end Islamic terrorism, along with crime, pornography, child prostitution, alcoholism, and a huge bunch of other social ills, no? You, in particular, will love Islam. People who act like feral animals in Islam are crushed. Islam has declared jihad against the monster within.

Everyone is Islam in SA - There's plenty of crime..But they deal with it in about 3 days...

Adulters get stoned in public square.

Sodomites heads chopped, in public.

Lots of crime? I've heard you can leave your wallet in the street in Saudi Arabi and come back ang get it the next day. They are a law and order state.

Yup that's why they always make it in the top 5 every year as worst in illegal human trafficking! :beer:

 

[Zebo]

Richard you are walking around with blinders on.

Can there be moderate muslims? Sure when they are in a distinct minority and the state, by use of force or threats of incarciration keeps them in line.

But even then you have some who are devot and decide to kill the infidel. Like Happened in Canada recently.

However once they gain majority, unless a powerful despot keeps them down, Muslims get what you'd call "radical" when in turth they are finally allowed to follow the Profit Mo, the Warrior Borg cult he calls for.

From Idonesia to Sudan, as they recently surpassed 50%, they are raping and slaughtering infidels, tearing down Buddest temples etc just like the faith calls for.

Until the west WTFU to the Islamic threat and the history of the Caliphate (the real crusades) we are doom to repeat it.

 

[daniel49]

Although all that is true zebo.
It sometimes kind of reminds me of the christian church during the middle ages.
During that time the church was power and as such men who followed after power and not God usurped authority.

I sometimes think there is a little of that in the muslim faith also. men seeking power as opposed to simply following thier faith.

Most here would probably be suprised that I am in favor of the seperation of church and state. Just not in the perverted sense that it has been turned into in that, a student can't even express thier faith or a city light up a nativity scene. these types of things had been going on since day one and no one had a problem with them, but all it takes are a couple of atheists and an activist judge. poof like magic and there goes a century or two of traditions.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre
I think Moonbeam is having a little fun with you guys, no?

Well there is a certain pleasure in asking people to think.

For example, and as was already touched on by RichardE, in SA they cut off your hand for theft and this fact is such a known certainty they almost never have to cut off anybodies hand. These laws were created at a time when state run prisons weren't even dreamed of yet. So in Islamic civilization the terrible evil of theft is dealt with severely and this creates a society that is practically theft free. We who issue slaps on the wrist, however, suffer from massively more theft. To steal is to admit that you are too worthless to earn a living on your own, an admission that you have to take from others to get by. So every thief knows that he is really a worthless piece of sh!t, even though he won't let this fact become conscious. So, in effect, because we do not fight the monster the monster begins to eat us alive, both the thief and the robbed are assaulted. Isn't what the Saudis do a form of 'tough love' that they almost never have to act out?

We always assume we are better, but are we?

And all the whiners in this thread who are whining about what savages Muslims are all have as their recommendation becoming more like them. But isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?

sweet post!!