Question TESTED: All the Ryzen generations!

[igor_kavinski]

AMD Ryzen 7 – All The Generations Tested - KitGuru

In the past few weeks KitGuru has reviewed four AMD Ryzen 9000 CPUs. Then, just as things were calmi

www.kitguru.net

Lovely, don't you think?

 

[Nothingness]

AMD Ryzen 7 – All The Generations Tested - KitGuru

In the past few weeks KitGuru has reviewed four AMD Ryzen 9000 CPUs. Then, just as things were calmi

www.kitguru.net

Lovely, don't you think?

Another video review I won't watch. I'm so sad written articles are dying.

I hope you'll be able to provide a transcript as you previously did before 😍

 

[Thunder 57]

Another video review I won't watch. I'm so sad written articles are dying.

I hope you'll be able to provide a transcript as you previously did before 😍

My thoughts exactly. I saw it was a video and thought "lame".

 

[igor_kavinski]

I hope you'll be able to provide a transcript as you previously did before 😍

Can't do that. It's got pretty graphs

That's what I do for such benchmark videos. Skip to the graphs and make my own conclusions.

 

[Markfw]

My thoughts exactly. I saw it was a video and thought "lame".

Yes, and those of us who are DEAF, videos are really tough, even with CC. Not near as nice as reading text and having graphs !

 

[positivedoppler]

i use the video bar to view all the graphs without watching. 9700X is looking good

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Igor, at least give them a TLDW can't Watch/listen.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A few comments -

The 3800XT is aging surprisingly well.

When not GPU bound using a 4080 the 5800X3D is still right up there and can beat vanilla zen 4 and 5.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Igor, at least give them a TLDW can't Watch/listen.

Yes, boss!

In front of me are six different AMD Ryzen 7 processors, each featuring a unique iteration of Zen technology. The original Zen, known as Summit Ridge, launched in 2017 and was manufactured on GlobalFoundries' 14nm process. The following year saw the introduction of Zen Plus, or Pinnacle Ridge Ryzen 2000, which was fabricated on GlobalFoundries' 12nm process. A significant advancement occurred in 2019 with Zen 2, codenamed Matisse, exemplified by the Ryzen 3000 series, which was manufactured using TSMC's 7nm technology. In 2020, a refinement was introduced with Zen 3, or Vermeer, represented by the Ryzen 5000 series, also fabricated using TSMC's 7nm. The evolution continued with Zen 4, or Raphael, in 2022, resulting in the Ryzen 7000 series fabricated on TSMC's 5nm process. Lastly, as we approach 2024, Zen 5, also referred to as Granite Ridge or Ryzen 9000, is manufactured on TSMC's 4nm process.


Now, while you might be well-versed in these technologies, I want to shift gears. Contrary to appearances, AMD EPYC processors aren't made from Lego blocks—though I've utilized Lego as a fun illustrative tool to showcase an EPYC processor.


Last week, KitGuru released a video covering the implications of an AMD blog post regarding Windows 11 24H2, suggesting performance improvements over the current Windows 23H2. Following various tests, we discovered that updating Windows does indeed confer some benefits and that the VBS setting in Windows 11 significantly affects performance. The rapid evolution of Windows updates proved to be a moving target. Just yesterday, as I was finalizing my testing, Microsoft released a patch for Windows 11 that seems to deliver many benefits previously associated with the 24H2 release onto Windows 23H2, particularly regarding branch prediction utilized by AMD processors. This situation is both exciting and somewhat confusing, suggesting that AMD may have launched Zen 5 before Windows 11 was fully prepared for it.


Considering generational improvements, I wondered how significant the advancements are across the families of Ryzen processors—from Zen to Zen Plus, Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4, and now Zen 5. I set out to analyze each generation closely. For benchmarking, I used the same MSI MEG X670E Ace motherboard and G.Skill Trident Z Neo D 5600 memory rated for both Expo and XMP on Socket AM4. However, testing for earlier generation Ryzen processors proved to be more complex due to compatibility with specific motherboards. I employed a Gigabyte X470 AORUS Gaming 7 Wi-Fi to accommodate the original Ryzen processors, using G.Skill Flare X memory rated at 3200 DDR4.


All test setups shared common components, including a Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4080 Gaming OC graphics card and a Corsair PX600 ATX 3 power supply. I conducted my testing on Windows 11 23H2 with VBS disabled for consistency, but noteworthy is that I did not incorporate the latest branch prediction patch in this round of tests.


In evaluating Cinebench 2024 and Geekbench 6 multicore results, I plotted the performance across generations. Zen 5 shows a notable, albeit small, lead over Zen 4 while demonstrating a larger margin over Zen 3 due to newer instructions. The Ryzen 79700X proved to be slightly more efficient in power than the Ryzen 77700X, showcasing a win for Zen 5, albeit with a narrow margin compared to Zen 4's Ryzen 7800X 3D in terms of performance per watt.


Regarding temperatures using the Fantech Glacier 1360 D30 AIO cooler normalized for 25°C, the Ryzen 7 1800X operated at a cool 53°C, while the new Zen 5 9700X registered at 57°C. The AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, on the other hand, drew significantly more power at 140W, reaching temperatures of 87°C.


When analyzing single-core performance in Cinebench R23, Zen 5 maintains a healthy advantage over Zen 4. In Blender's rendering tests and gaming benchmarks, such as Far Cry 6, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, and others at 1080p, Zen 5's performance fluctuated but generally showed strong results, particularly in comparison to earlier Zen generations.


In closing, the notable takeaways are that gamers might consider waiting for the upcoming Ryzen 7 3D at CES 2025, as it holds potential for significant enhancements, and the new Windows patch might greatly benefit gaming performance. Additionally, the upcoming motherboards supporting faster DDR5 memory for both Zen 4 and Zen 5 processors could prove intriguing for those planning new builds. Ultimately, if you're contemplating an upgrade, it may be worth waiting for the X670 motherboards before deciding whether to leap from Zen 2 or 3 to Zen 4 or Zen 5.

 

[Markfw]

Yes, boss!

I looked at the video. The charts are easy enough to pause. But nothing about the 9950x or 9900x or comparisons to "fixed" 14900k.

Boring...

Note aside from the 2700x I have all of these somewhere in my house. (1700x, counts for the 1800x, and 3900x counts for the 3700x but only a 7950x3d for the 3d parts, and a 5950x for whatever they have for that gen. BUT I have one of all but the 2700x gen.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Spoiler: GRAPHS

 

[igor_kavinski]

no charts ?????

I've only two hands and one brain

 

[igor_kavinski]

Spoiler: MORE GRAPHS

 

[igor_kavinski]

Sorry for the order of the charts. I easily get confused!

Also, kitguru didn't label some of the charts properly. Same label but wildly different scores.

And unfortunately, the branch prediction patch for Win11 23H2 wasn't applied.

I say BOO!!!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Note aside from the 2700x I have all of these somewhere in my house. (1700x, counts for the 1800x, and 3900x counts for the 3700x but only a 7950x3d for the 3d parts, and a 5950x for whatever they have for that gen. BUT I have one of all but the 2700x gen.

It's a crazy idea but I think AMD should do a super ambitious Ryzen Special Edition for enthusiasts and collectors that has Zen, Zen+, Zen2, Zen3, Zen4 and Zen5 cores on a single CCD with V-cache. With two of each of those cores (because otherwise they would get lonely), it's just 12 cores on a single CCD and I think it's very doable because everything before Zen 4 would shrink to pretty tiny sizes at 4nm. Yes, getting all of these different generations to talk to each other will be the challenge but I'm sure if anyone can do it, it's AMD.

And before anyone complains, Zen 4 and Zen 5 combined threads would be eight in total so that's enough for games. The other weaker threads would be there only for the novelty factor and for preserving history.

 

[Thunder 57]

It's a crazy idea but I think AMD should do a super ambitious Ryzen Special Edition for enthusiasts and collectors that has Zen, Zen+, Zen2, Zen3, Zen4 and Zen5 cores on a single CCD with V-cache. With two of each of those cores (because otherwise they would get lonely), it's just 12 cores on a single CCD and I think it's very doable because everything before Zen 4 would shrink to pretty tiny sizes at 4nm. Yes, getting all of these different generations to talk to each other will be the challenge but I'm sure if anyone can do it, it's AMD.

And before anyone complains, Zen 4 and Zen 5 combined threads would be eight in total so that's enough for games. The other weaker threads would be there only for the novelty factor and for preserving history.

I've heard of some crazy ideas before but this one might take the cake.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I've heard of some crazy ideas before but this one might take the cake.

Think of the benefits for developers. One system to optimize their software for every Zen generation!

Create a VM out of only the two cores of any gen and you can target that gen with specific optimizations!

I have officially outdone myself and I must now award myself a medal because it simply cannpt be avoided.

 

[maddie]

Strange or not?

Far Cry Six:

5800X @ 4.55 GHZ = 150 FPS
7700 @ 4.95 GHZ = 146 FPS

 

[igor_kavinski]

Strange or not?

Far Cry Six:

5800X @ 4.55 GHZ = 150 FPS
7700 @ 4.95 GHZ = 146 FPS

Not strange. Zen 3 has a power advantage there.

The 7700 can't get enough power to feed its cores. The 7700X does so it pulls ahead of the 5800X.

9700X achieves the coolest feat there. Gets mad fps with only 88W.

 

[Schmide]

I enjoyed that. It was surprisingly not as long as I thought it would be.

 

[maddie]

Not strange. Zen 3 has a power advantage there.

The 7700 can't get enough power to feed its cores. The 7700X does so it pulls ahead of the 5800X.

9700X achieves the coolest feat there. Gets mad fps with only 88W.

Don't you see the speeds? A slower 5800X has higher scores than a faster 7700. Negative IPC for Zen4 vs Zen3?

Again:
Far Cry Six:

5800X @ 4.55 GHZ = 150 FPS
7700 @ 4.95 GHZ = 146 FPS

 

[igor_kavinski]

Don't you see the speeds? A slower 5800X has higher scores than a faster 7700. Negative IPC for Zen4 vs Zen3?

Again:
Far Cry Six:

5800X @ 4.55 GHZ = 150 FPS
7700 @ 4.95 GHZ = 146 FPS

That could be incorrect data. Maybe that's just the highest ST speed of any one core reached during the benchmark run but the 5800X most likely achieved better all core speed while the cores of 7700 kept getting power throttled and couldn't flex their muscles properly.

I ran Intel XTU benchmark on i5-12500 in my office and during the AVX2 benchmark, it kept showing the message "power throttled". So it could perform better but the mobo's power circuitry was limiting it to 65W or so.

 

[Hotrod2go]

9700X does very well considering no X3D cache in those gaming BMs. Not to mention the performance per watt in CB23 & Blender, all this on win 11 23H2 without that infamous KB patch.