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Test drive of a petrol car

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Yeah well I was going to mention that, I read somewhere that the batteries are good up to 500.000 kms. They're sufficient to carry on the car till it gets old anyway, when compared to a petrol car. You can think of it like an engine swap, when it dies, the car dies. But other than that the car doesn't require any battery maintaining at all.
 
Yeah well I was going to mention that, I read somewhere that the batteries are good up to 500.000 kms. They're sufficient to carry on the car till it gets old anyway, when compared to a petrol car. You can think of it like an engine swap, when it dies, the car dies. But other than that the car doesn't require any battery maintaining at all.

I think it's not so much the miles as the age. The NiMH batteries in Toyota's and Honda's (early) hybrids seem to last about 10-20 years, depending on on the climate and nearly independent of miles. It's actually the ones cycled the least that seem to die the earliest.

Not sure if this applies to the lithiums Tesla is using though.
 
I think it's not so much the miles as the age. The NiMH batteries in Toyota's and Honda's (early) hybrids seem to last about 10-20 years, depending on on the climate and nearly independent of miles. It's actually the ones cycled the least that seem to die the earliest.

Not sure if this applies to the lithiums Tesla is using though.

Thinking of it like a regular battery, both usage and downtime should affect it I'd say.

AFAIK, the batteries in the Hybrid Civics had early deaths mainly because they were junk. The batteries on the Tesla, on the other hand, are miles and miles ahead of those.
 
I had a friend when I was a kid with a go-kart his enterprising father had converted to battery power. It was fast, he changed the gearing as the kid got older, and the instant on torque was brutal if you could get traction. Had jack crap in the way of personality though. The go-kart, not the kid.
I'm all for electric cars, I figure if enough of them get in general use it'll get the smog monkeys off the real car enthusiasts backs when we become a minority polluters(which we are already). Plus more gas for us. I'm also eagerly awaiting some viable, affordable battery solutions for converting older vehicles to electric power. You'd think they were brand new but there have been electric cars for ages. Most of the big US manufacturers either toyed with them or had some decent sized outfits retrofitting them right off the line back in the early 80's, I can't count how many moldering 80-81 Escort EV's and Rabbits and Chevettes and such I've come across sitting around, needing batteries lol.. It was always the damn batteries.
GM had this thing in the mid 90's that everyone thinks they killed because it worked too well(within the bounds of available batt-tech) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
People have been converting VW Rabbits for decades, there was a guy with the "EV Pusher" years ago that had the front end of a Rabbit set up as a trailer pushing his car, I can't remember if the car was electric and the supplemental pusher was diesel or vice versa. It was a unique setup. Laptops and cellphones have probably done more to foward EV than anything else.

GM killed that car because they have a penchant for making bad decisions, especially in the '90s. If they knew they were immune to the consequences of their bad decisions it is sad to think what they would have done. When the Saturn "division" was doing the right thing and making inroads to the people who had given up on American cars, they copied the formula and killed that off too. I am a die hard GM truck fan, and love the sound of a 350 or a 454, especially with a cam that gives it the ethereal breathing noise.

If the sound is the only thing you are missing from your story for the "personality" of the kart, then I get that. Turbos spooling, superchargers whining, cam gears also whining, are very fun audio cues about the torque you are about to experience. It is also fun and personable, IMO, to just push the pedal and be shot back into the seat, with a whirring accompaniment.

I did not intend for my post to be a total EV vs. ICE argument, as I still drive an old Honda minivan, and only have the pleasure of driving my friends Tesla.
Yes, Tesla never needs maintenance. The tires last forever, the windshield does not make squeaking noises and the door handles never just randomly break.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/16/consumer-reports-tesla-model-s-door-handles/
I get what you are driving at, especially because the poster you are replying to is obnoxious, but you only listed one maintenence item, which an ICE car is also subject to. The rest are fit and finish issues. While unfair to say no maintenance, it is also unfair to write off the drastically reduced maintenance with manufacturing defects, which every manufacturer has.
 
I'll never forgive GM for killing the Fiero just when it was getting interesting.
Oh man, could you imagine a Fiero with a nice Ecotec or 3800 motor in it? Toyota would have had a harder time selling the MR2, that's for sure. Too bad they were chasing Ford in the SUV market, oblivious to fuel prices making it much more volatile than the cash printer it seemed to be.
 
Oh man, could you imagine a Fiero with a nice Ecotec or 3800 motor in it? Toyota would have had a harder time selling the MR2, that's for sure. Too bad they were chasing Ford in the SUV market, oblivious to fuel prices making it much more volatile than the cash printer it seemed to be.

I've only been in a few that weren't stock for service work years ago, but the hobby guys have done some killer work with em, 3800SC with some mild mods was wicked cool, and the northstar fits! 😎
 
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