Tesla Fudging Odometers remotely by as much as 117% to get out of warranty claims.

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https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/tesla-accused-of-using-sneaky-tactic-to-dodge-car-repairs

 

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https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/tesla-accused-of-using-sneaky-tactic-to-dodge-car-repairs

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Didn’t save them from replacing my entire traction battery under warranty.

In my case if they were f’ing around with the odometer it wasn’t enough for me to notice.

I’ve gone just over 10K miles / year which should be about right.

That being said it’s something I could see them doing.

 

[eelw]

Which department will Elmo gut next to avoid the investigations?

 

[Brainonska511]

Which department will Elmo gut next to avoid the investigations?

Fortunately, it's also a crime in pretty much every state, because dealerships and mechanics were known to be infested with fairly crooked people.

 

[HomerJS]

Blue states will be all over this

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Bye bye DOT...

 

[manly]

117% ? How dumb do you have to be?

According to the lawsuit, it's more like 250% for the plaintiff? LOL WTF.

 

[MrSquished]

As evil as Musk is, I don't want him to die at all.

I want him to have a nervous breakdown and end up in a luxury rubber room, having a nervous breakdown in his head every day for many many years to come.

 

[JTsyo]

Seems an issue one guy had, not a class action suit. If the readings were off by more than 50% many would have noticed.

 

[MrSquished]

Seems an issue one guy had, not a class action suit. If the readings were off by more than 50% many would have noticed.

ummm if you read most of the articles about this, it's not the first time at all.

 

[Brainonska511]

Seems an issue one guy had, not a class action suit. If the readings were off by more than 50% many would have noticed.

Would people really notice? How many people are watching their odometers like a hawk to match their driving up to the odometer?

 

[JTsyo]

Would people really notice? How many people are watching their odometers like a hawk to match their driving up to the odometer?

Not for each trip but at the end of the year, if you expect to have driven 10k miles and the car is showing 15k, you would catch that, let alone 21k.

 

[manly]

Not for each trip but at the end of the year, if you expect to have driven 10k miles and the car is showing 15k, you would catch that, let alone 21k.

According to article, people noticed for the routine, repeatable daily trips. Lets say your daily commute is 10 miles, and on many days you don't deviate. But if your odo is incrementing by 15 miles regularly, and you start paying attention, you would know that cannot be right.
I wouldn't dispute the argument that on an annual basis, you should notice a large deviation as well but the reference point would be different. I have no idea how many true miles I drive in any given year, except I could compare to historical norms.

I agree with you that if Tesla was fudging by 50%+ to minimize service costs, this is diabolically stupid and outrageous.

 

[UNCjigga]

This is sus…it could definitely happen with Tesla’s “software defined vehicle” architecture, but I would want to see a real study before I believe it. Shouldn’t be too hard to get a statistically significant sample of volunteers with odometers between 45K-50K and hook up an external odometer for them to compare results.

 

[Indus]

This is sus…it could definitely happen with Tesla’s “software defined vehicle” architecture, but I would want to see a real study before I believe it. Shouldn’t be too hard to get a statistically significant sample of volunteers with odometers between 45K-50K and hook up an external odometer for them to compare results.

I learned not to trust software in a weird way.

I was overseas and rented a bike. I took pictures of it on my phone to make sure any pre-existing damage was registered.

When I turned it in.. I was accused of scratching up the bike and they wanted $200 extra. I said I didn't do it.. and looked to show them my phone pics but the pics had been "smoothened" by software.

Had to pay $200 extra due to me being naive enough to trust phone cameras.. If I had only lugged my Nikon FX camera and lenses along!

 

[Steltek]

I'll bet those odometer "anomalies" go away very quickly the other way around on the Teslas that they resell that were accepted as trade-ins from customers. Rolling them back has to be just as easy for Tesla as it was fudging them forward.

That is, at least for the vehicles they accepted as trade-ins before Tesla recently halted accepting their own vehicles as trade-ins, anyway.

Curious how having your CEO totally pissing on your customer base affects sales....

 

[repoman0]

I'll bet those odometer "anomalies" go away very quickly the other way around on the Teslas that they resell that were accepted as trade-ins from customers. Rolling them back has to be just as easy for Tesla as it was fudging them forward.

That is, at least for the vehicles they accepted as trade-ins before Tesla recently halted accepting their own vehicles as trade-ins, anyway.

Curious how having your CEO totally pissing on your customer base affects sales....

That’s not that easy to do, at least in states with annual inspections where mileage is recorded. Rolling back an odometer is a quick route to a branded title.

 

[DZero]

The issue is to show how awful will be electronic cars and will promote the 100% mechanical ones again since is harder to trick.

 

[Brovane]

The issue is to show how awful will be electronic cars and will promote the 100% mechanical ones again since is harder to trick.

Yup, let's bring back the days when odometers would roll back over to zero at 100k miles.

 

[DaaQ]

As evil as Musk is, I don't want him to die at all.

I want him to have a nervous breakdown and end up in a luxury rubber room, having a nervous breakdown in his head every day for many many years to come.

Or fall into a K hole that he never comes out of would work.

 

[brycejones]

Or fall into a K hole that he never comes out of would work.

Musk is totally going to have a Howard Hughes style death.

 

[Steltek]

That’s not that easy to do, at least in states with annual inspections where mileage is recorded. Rolling back an odometer is a quick route to a branded title.

True, in some states. In others, it isn't an issue because they don't do vehicle inspections (My state did away with them 25 years ago. They don't even ask me for odometer readings when I renew my tags).

 

[MtnMan]

Let's see
Musk has fucked with;

Social Security​

Medicare​

Medicaid​

Air Traffic Controllers​

Nuclear safety people​

Food safety inspectors​

Cancer researchers​

etc...​

What makes you think he won't fuck with the odometer on your swasticamobile?

 

[outriding]

All owners that were denied and were with 20% should get their service refunded and 9% interest added on

And musk to stand trial in each state for fraud that this happened in

 

[Muse]

I learned not to trust software in a weird way.

I was overseas and rented a bike. I took pictures of it on my phone to make sure any pre-existing damage was registered.

When I turned it in.. I was accused of scratching up the bike and they wanted $200 extra. I said I didn't do it.. and looked to show them my phone pics but the pics had been "smoothened" by software.

Had to pay $200 extra due to me being naive enough to trust phone cameras.. If I had only lugged my Nikon FX camera and lenses along!

That software smoothing should be an option, not a default. That's just me saying that, I know precious little about cell phone camera technology and software. I haven't noticed my phone doing that, but now alerted, figure I should check for it and eliminate it, and I assume I could. I want my camera to report what it sees, not what it thinks I want to see. I've been into photography for decades, film (built a dark room) and now digital.