Tesla Cybertruck

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Lifer
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I think that you are overcomplicating why it's unpopular.

It looks like crap. It looked like crap in the announcement event. While it was popular with a few Tesla fan boys most people hated it.

It's the usual problem. There's a loud minority of people who are online a lot that hype things up then get surprised when reality doesn't match their internet bubble.
Despite the subjectively awful looks, the CT somehow managed nearly 2M "pre-orders." Granted that's just a refundable $100 deposit; but it suggests that based on the original price sheet, a LOT of people were interested despite the polarizing design. Let me rephrase that:

Potentially 2M rubes were willing to buy a fugly ass truck because the initial price was sensationally good. (We know they were never going to convert all of the pre-orders into purchases, but even a low bar like 25% would be half a million vehicles.)

Once the very cheap CT out to be vaporware, the true market revealed itself. Besides the flawed price, there are other key factors such as "range anxiety" and BEVs being undesirable in the core pickup truck market. Another way to put this is that if Tesla could fix the price problem (say offer a single motor variant for $55k), they might sell a few to buyers like @Kaido . :p But they still have a huge problem with traditional pickup truck buyers, and now with BEV purchasers who will never support Elon.
 

Kaido

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because the initial price was sensationally good

This is exactly it. $39k for a plug-in truck that I never have to wash the paint on is 10/10. $80k for a reduced-feature vehicle riddled with recalls & weakness in the snow, dirt, and mud isn't quite as enticing...
 
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Kaido

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For the most part, many people overblow the rationale for owning a pickup truck. Most of them are pavement princesses and the people live in places where all the things you note are not really an issue at all. And most of the things people claim to buy them for, they would have been better off getting something delivered or renting a vehicle for the one time they would need it. People buy $50k+ vehicles because they either doing well economically (despite the "my eggs" complaints) or don't care to get loaded up on debt for a depreciating asset.

Personally, I've been 100% fine renting a truck from Home Depot for a few hours at a time, as needed. The big draws for me with the Cybertruck were either the $39k pricetag or the MIA 500-mile battery.

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Kaido

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I think that you are overcomplicating why it's unpopular.

It looks like crap. It looked like crap in the announcement event. While it was popular with a few Tesla fan boys most people hated it.

It's the usual problem. There's a loud minority of people who are online a lot that hype things up then get surprised when reality doesn't match their internet bubble.

My absolute favorite was the Truckla lady's reaction at the live reveal:

 

Kaido

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say offer a single motor variant for $55k

Price-wise, there's the price cannibalism aspect to consider as well. Model 3 & Y leases are absolutely phenomenal right now. You can get a 363-mile Model 3 for $249 on standard lesae terms right now:


Musk said he wanted the MY to be the flagship family crossover product & didn't want to shoehorn the design onto the 3 chassis, but that's exactly what happened! Despite that, everyone I know who has one LOVES it. $299 a month on lease is a really stellar deal, given today's car prices (the average new car price was $49,740 as of January 27th, 2025).

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IronWing

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For the most part, many people overblow the rationale for owning a pickup truck. Most of them are pavement princesses and the people live in places where all the things you note are not really an issue at all. And most of the things people claim to buy them for, they would have been better off getting something delivered or renting a vehicle for the one time they would need it. People buy $50k+ vehicles because they either doing well economically (despite the "my eggs" complaints) or don't care to get loaded up on debt for a depreciating asset.
For work, I absolutely need a full size 4WD truck, sometimes. :p In years past I was putting ~10K miles of offroad driving on my work truck every year. Not so much now but still enough to justify the truck. The company has a vehicle pool so I can take a sedan for trips that don't require a truck. Over the years, the company philosophy has swung back and forth between "Every vehicle must be 4WD, high clearance, field capable" and "Holy crap! We're spending a lot on vehicles." The current pool consists of a piece of crap Rubicon, a bunch of PUs, and a lonely Impala.

For personal use, I don't need a truck. I used to drive a little Hilux 2WD truck. That is what confirmed for me that I'm a station wagon person. I really don't care for dirt in everything. For my lifestyle, a full size truck would be even more impractical than the FJ Cruiser I drive. The FJ has been described as "the most useless vehicle ever built", with reason, and it is still makes more sense than a PU.
 

Kaido

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For personal use, I don't need a truck. I used to drive a little Hilux 2WD truck. That is what confirmed for me that I'm a station wagon person. I really don't care for dirt in everything. For my lifestyle, a full size truck would be even more impractical than the FJ Cruiser I drive. The FJ has been described as "the most useless vehicle ever built", with reason, and it is still makes more sense than a PU.

Yes, but the FJ Cruiser is dope & doesn't need justification beyond that :colbert:
 

Kaido

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State Department procures $400 million of armored Teslas, the largest expense of the state department for the next 5 years:

Procurement Forecast

FY25 Q4 DS/C/DEAV Armored Tesla (Production Units) New Armored Tesla (Production Units) >$100M and <$500M 5 years Chrismene Etienne EtienneC@state.gov Schools, Jacqueline SchoolsJ@state.gov Secret Richard Crum CrumRB@state.gov N/A No N/A 311999 - All Other Miscellaneous Food Manufacturing United States TBD TBD N/A IDIQ Fixed Price 9/30/2025 No $400,000,000.00 5/1/2025 Department of State PLANNING TBD Unknown 12/13/2024 9:48
 

sdifox

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How is it that bad in snow?!

Also that windscreen wiper doesn't seem to be achieving a lot either!
tire choice? I don't know if it comes with a snow mode.

And that is in Quebec (comments point to Montreal), so lots of snow. Would have been wise to get snow tires. I do love the smaller cars and a bus passing by without issues. The wiper was useless, already iced up.

I thought it was the law to have snow tires in Quebec? Yeap, Dec 1 - Mar 15. I hope the owner gets a ticket as well. Maybe it is exempt because it is so heavy
 
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Who's in the market for an 80K vehicle that is less capable than my mom's 20 year old Subaru Impreza?

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lol. I've driven FWD sedans using all-season tires for nearly 20 years and have never had an issue on urban/suburban streets with snow. People way overestimate the amount and type of vehicle they need. But we're all so well off, that people have no problem dropping a metric ton of money on vehicles.

The singular time I almost got stuck was at a ski resort parking lot in Vermont, and the car wouldn't go forward where I had tried to cut across the nearly empty lot. But it would go backwards, so I just reversed out of the area and followed the "street-like" cutouts to get out just fine. (I also had a snow shovel in the trunk for just such an occasion; and I forgot to turn off the traction control, which could have potentially helped in a situation where you are momentarily stuck)
 
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For the price of that truck they really could have at least gave it some all terrain tires. My 2009 F150 does better than that... in 2x4 mode. :p
One of the big problems with these EV trucks is that they eat tires. More weight and people playing with the faster acceleration means you're going to quickly eat through your tread.

Constantly needing new tires is going to be the gift that keeps on giving for people that waste their money on these status symbols.
 

Red Squirrel

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One of the big problems with these EV trucks is that they eat tires. More weight and people playing with the faster acceleration means you're going to quickly eat through your tread.

Constantly needing new tires is going to be the gift that keeps on giving for people that waste their money on these status symbols.

Yeah that doesn't help, if EVs are going to be the future, then they need to figure out a way to make tires that last longer, or a new battery tech that is higher energy density while being less heavy.
 
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Yeah that doesn't help, if EVs are going to be the future, then they need to figure out a way to make tires that last longer, or a new battery tech that is higher energy density while being less heavy.
They don't need to figure out a way to make the tires last longer. They just need to move towards lighter vehicles. Consumers are obsessed with driving tanks because successful auto advertising told them they need a big, fancy tank.
 

Red Squirrel

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They don't need to figure out a way to make the tires last longer. They just need to move towards lighter vehicles. Consumers are obsessed with driving tanks because successful auto advertising told them they need a big, fancy tank.

Some people still need trucks for actual work stuff, camping, hobbies etc. Though they really need to start making real work trucks though, they have gotten bigger than they need to be, just need a 8x4 box and single cab for being able to carry the most common material sizes. The square bodies in the 80's and 90's were the perfect size.

I'm not really sure what I will replace my truck with since there's really not many 8 foot box trucks anymore past 2010 era. Probably have to settle with something with a smaller box and get a trailer.