Tesla Cybertruck

[quikah]

Next set of questions:

1. What's the procedure if the driver is incapacitated...no exterior door handles & bulletproof glass?
2. With the glass breaker, how do you effectively & quickly escape from inside of the car if the doors are wedged shut for some reason?

These are mostly outlier situations for the majority of people the majority of the time, but I've been in 4 accidents (been hit randomly all 4 times by other drivers), so I'm extra-paranoid about this stuff lol.

The glass is not bulletproof. Glassbreaker should handle it fine. Hell, if we go by the reveal, a rock should suffice.

 

[Kaido]

The glass is not bulletproof. Glassbreaker should handle it fine..

Well, Musk did say (edit: allegedly) it was bulletproof:

Six theories on why the Cybertruck’s bulletproof glass cracked so easily | Digital Trends

Elon Musk smashing two of the windows of Tesla's divisive pickup, the Cybertruck, was the most commented-upon moment of the futuristic vehicle's unveiling. But why did the armor glass windows let him down? Here are several theories which might explain the breaks heard around the world.

www.digitaltrends.com

Although on their website, they're now calling it Tesla Armor Glass: "ultra-strong glass and polymer-layered composite can absorb and redirect impact force for improved performance and damage tolerance."

These are the anxieties that keep me up at night lol.

 

[quikah]

Well, Musk did say it was bulletproof:

Six theories on why the Cybertruck’s bulletproof glass cracked so easily | Digital Trends

Elon Musk smashing two of the windows of Tesla's divisive pickup, the Cybertruck, was the most commented-upon moment of the futuristic vehicle's unveiling. But why did the armor glass windows let him down? Here are several theories which might explain the breaks heard around the world.

www.digitaltrends.com

Although on their website, they're now calling it Tesla Armor Glass: "ultra-strong glass and polymer-layered composite can absorb and redirect impact force for improved performance and damage tolerance."

These are the anxieties that keep me up at night lol.

Yeah, well Elon says a lot of really dumb things. I don't recall him ever claiming the glass was bulletproof, only the body.

 

[Muadib]

Yeah, well Elon says a lot of really dumb things. I don't recall him ever claiming the glass was bulletproof, only the body.

Then you need to go back and watch the reveal! He hit the glass!!!!

 

[quikah]

Then you need to go back and watch the reveal! He hit the glass!!!!

Ok, please let me know the timestamp where he says the glass is bulletproof. I glanced over it. Only claim of bulletproof is about the body.

 

[Muadib]

Ok, please let me know the timestamp where he says the glass is bulletproof. I glanced over it. Only claim of bulletproof is about the body.

Then why did he hit the glass???

 

[Kaido]

Then you need to go back and watch the reveal! He hit the glass!!!!

Historically, it looks like:

1. They developed Tesla Armor Glass for the Tesla Semi
2. They brought that technology to the Cybertruck
3. He refers to it as "transparent metal"

Some research into it:

Transparent Metal Glass – What is Tesla Armor Glass? - Undecided with Matt Ferrell

In the Tesla Cybertruck reveal we all saw the horrible Tesla Armor Glass fail. But what is transparent metal glass? Why did Tesla make Tesla Armor Glass in the first place? How is it made and how strong is it really?

undecidedmf.com

There's the ALON stuff:

What On Earth Is The Tesla Cybertruck's Armor Glass After All?

What on Earth is the Tesla Armor Glass? Matt Ferrell decided to say what he thinks it is in this video on his YouTube channel. Check it out.

insideevs.com

 

[Kaido]

Ok, please let me know the timestamp where he says the glass is bulletproof. I glanced over it. Only claim of bulletproof is about the body.

This is an interesting point, I did some googling on it - my best guess is that Motor Trend got creative with what Musk said:

Is the Tesla Cybertruck Really Bulletproof? A Deeper Look at its Stainless Steel Body

The Tesla Cybertruck has a stainless steel body ... could it really be bulletproof? Find out here.

www.motortrend.com

"Apparently, the Cybertruck may also have a bulletproof windshield. Tesla chief Elon Musk says the laminated windshield, which appears to be completely flat, will stop a 9mm round, as well. We tested its strength by dropping weighed metal spheres from various heights. It didn't break."

Teslarati also mentions it:

Tesla Armor Glass patent reveals 'bulletproof' secret to Cybertruck durability

Tesla rolled out several new patents related to the Cybertruck today, one of them being the “bulletproof” Armor Glass that CEO Elon Musk talked about on several occasions. The Cybertruck’s durability has been one of the vehicle’s most notorious features. The patent describes the multi-layered...

www.teslarati.com

"Tesla rolled out several new patents related to the Cybertruck today, one of them being the “bulletproof” Armor Glass that CEO Elon Musk talked about on several occasions. The Cybertruck’s durability has been one of the vehicle’s most notorious features. The patent describes the multi-layered design that Tesla will use across several of its cars to prevent owners from spending big bucks on new windshields or windows after a scratch, crack or chip."

The only actual quote I've seen is Musk saying that the body "is literally bulletproof to a 9mm handgun", so as far as I can tell, it looks like the media conflated the truck & the body being bulletproof with the glass being bulletproof, then the general media ran with that. It looks like they originally announced the Armor Glass on the Tesla Semi & did some impact testing on it: (but not gun testing)

 

[Muadib]

Historically, it looks like:

1. They developed Tesla Armor Glass for the Tesla Semi
2. They brought that technology to the Cybertruck
3. He refers to it as "transparent metal"

Some research into it:

Transparent Metal Glass – What is Tesla Armor Glass? - Undecided with Matt Ferrell

In the Tesla Cybertruck reveal we all saw the horrible Tesla Armor Glass fail. But what is transparent metal glass? Why did Tesla make Tesla Armor Glass in the first place? How is it made and how strong is it really?

undecidedmf.com

There's the ALON stuff:

What On Earth Is The Tesla Cybertruck's Armor Glass After All?

What on Earth is the Tesla Armor Glass? Matt Ferrell decided to say what he thinks it is in this video on his YouTube channel. Check it out.

insideevs.com

So then both the body and glass of the Cybertruck is bulletproof? Looks like I have some reading to do!

 

[Kaido]

So then both the body and glass of the Cybertruck is bulletproof? Looks like I have some reading to do!

I dunno...Musk said the metal body should stop a 9mm bullet, although some aftermarket armor companies are like ehhhhh. Digging into the PR history, I can't find any documented direct quote from Musk or Tesla that says the glass is also bulletproof.

Plus, the nature of bulletproof glass doesn't mean crack-proof, it means exactly what happened on stage...they had tested it out before the show, which wore it down, so then it shattered on stage, but didn't break, which is what it's designed to do...hold together! My concern is that if you have a glass-breaking tool in your car & you get in an accident where your doors are wedged & the windows don't work, how do you escape? Seems like a great coffin in that case! Again, I've been hit multiple times in car accidents, so I'm a little paranoid about this stuff lol.

 

[herm0016]

I dunno...Musk said the metal body should stop a 9mm bullet, although some aftermarket armor companies are like ehhhhh. Digging into the PR history, I can't find any documented direct quote from Musk or Tesla that says the glass is also bulletproof.

Plus, the nature of bulletproof glass doesn't mean crack-proof, it means exactly what happened on stage...they had tested it out before the show, which wore it down, so then it shattered on stage, but didn't break, which is what it's designed to do...hold together! My concern is that if you have a glass-breaking tool in your car & you get in an accident where your doors are wedged & the windows don't work, how do you escape? Seems like a great coffin in that case! Again, I've been hit multiple times in car accidents, so I'm a little paranoid about this stuff lol.

a real tesla fan would say you will never crash because its self driving.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I dunno...Musk said the metal body should stop a 9mm bullet, although some aftermarket armor companies are like ehhhhh. Digging into the PR history, I can't find any documented direct quote from Musk or Tesla that says the glass is also bulletproof.

Plus, the nature of bulletproof glass doesn't mean crack-proof, it means exactly what happened on stage...they had tested it out before the show, which wore it down, so then it shattered on stage, but didn't break, which is what it's designed to do...hold together! My concern is that if you have a glass-breaking tool in your car & you get in an accident where your doors are wedged & the windows don't work, how do you escape? Seems like a great coffin in that case! Again, I've been hit multiple times in car accidents, so I'm a little paranoid about this stuff lol.

This is utter nonsense, maybe if you throw the bullet at the body of the car. A thin sheet of stainless steel isn't going to stop a 9mm bullet any better than the thin sheet steel they make car bodies out of, a 9mm bullet would pass easily through a car door.

Shit, a cast iron skillet won't even stop a 9mm bullet fired from a handgun.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I bought a pair of glass breakers and put one in each center console storage compartment, which do not need electricity to open.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

This is utter nonsense, maybe if you throw the bullet at the body of the car. A thin sheet of stainless steel isn't going to stop a 9mm bullet any better than the thin sheet steel they make car bodies out of, a 9mm bullet would pass easily through a car door.

Shit, a cast iron skillet won't even stop a 9mm bullet fired from a handgun.

For what it's worth, cast iron is very brittle compared to most anything forged. Not to say that this vehicle would be able to prevent a bullet penetration, but it might be easier than you think. Not terrible example:

9mm and .38 special metal penetration

For the sake of real world accuracy in a short story that I am writing, what is the maximum thickness of medium carbon steel sheet which might be easily penetrated by the following rounds fired from a 4" barrel? 1) 158gr .38 special LRN @ standard velocity 2) 158gr .38 special FMJ @ standard...

www.thehighroad.org

1) 158gr .38 special LRN @ standard velocity (Remington: 755 fps) = 2.43mm
2) 158gr .38 special FMJ @ standard velocity (Fiocchi: 960 fps) = 3.63mm
3) 110gr .38 special silvertip hollowpoint @ standard velocity (Winchester: 945 fps) = 2.62mm
4) 110gr .38 special bonded JHP @ standard velocity (Federal: 1000 fps) = 2.87mm
5) 115gr 9mm JHP @ standard velocity (Federal: 1160 fps) = 3.88mm
6) 115gr 9mm FMJ @ standard velocity (Winchester: 1190 fps) = 4.05mm

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah I'm not a fan of everything being electronic. The glove box, of all things, there is zero reason to make that electronic. And the doors, same thing. Should be manually operated. Electronics just for sake of it is a dumb thing. Also as much as the yoke does look cool it also does not look practical, especially for a truck. Ex: backing up a trailer and you have one hand on the wheel and you're looking behind. Going to be kind of tricky with the yoke.

Agreed. And the yoke is super dumb. It will cost them sales if they make it the only option. Fine with me, the less Elon makes the happier I am.

 

[Kaido]

Agreed. And the yoke is super dumb. It will cost them sales if they make it the only option. Fine with me, the less Elon makes the happier I am.

I have a really hard time with it tbh. I like the idea of minimalism, but after test-driving the Mach-E, my opinion about Tesla really changed...creature comforts galore, a big knob in the middle of the touchscreen, dedicated buttons on the steering wheel, and felt like Car 2.0 Evolved rather than an electric sled on wheels. Still love Tesla, don't get me wrong, but physical design elements really speak to me, apparently! Plus as I've watched how I drive, I always have my hand on top of the wheel & use the top to turn, so if the Cybertruck is yoke-only, that would be a serious blow to me. Of course, I need to test-drive a Tesla with a yoke first before I make a decision.

I'm curious about how towing with a Cybertruck would be, especially doing the geometry maneuvers when backing up, while using a yoke...

 

[sdifox]

The Lightening is supposed to get back feed capability. So if you lose power it can feed back to the house, when power comes back it will resume charging. Wonder what kind of safety you need in your house electrical setup. You could even use the truck as power bank during the day and charge at night to lower your cost.

https://www.toronto.com/life/wheels/first-drive---2022-ford-f-150-lightning/article_9e9a7789-a09e-5688-acaa-daa14e789478.html

 

[MrSquished]

I have a really hard time with it tbh. I like the idea of minimalism, but after test-driving the Mach-E, my opinion about Tesla really changed...creature comforts galore, a big knob in the middle of the touchscreen, dedicated buttons on the steering wheel, and felt like Car 2.0 Evolved rather than an electric sled on wheels. Still love Tesla, don't get me wrong, but physical design elements really speak to me, apparently! Plus as I've watched how I drive, I always have my hand on top of the wheel & use the top to turn, so if the Cybertruck is yoke-only, that would be a serious blow to me. Of course, I need to test-drive a Tesla with a yoke first before I make a decision.

I'm curious about how towing with a Cybertruck would be, especially doing the geometry maneuvers when backing up, while using a yoke...

The yoke is good for high speed driving, it's simply not as good for anything at low speed - as per various driving blogs I read.

I don't mind a tech enabled car, but there is a way to remove too many analogue things just for the sake of looking futuristic. From what I understand with a Tesla you can turn the wipers on with a stick, but to set intermittent you need to touch the screen. If true, so so dumb

 

[sdifox]

The yoke is good for high speed driving, it's simply not as good for anything at low speed - as per various driving blogs I read.

I don't mind a tech enabled car, but there is a way to remove too many analogue things just for the sake of looking futuristic. From what I understand with a Tesla you can turn the wipers on with a stick, but to set intermittent you need to touch the screen. If true, so so dumb

You mean it's good when you don't need to turn?

 

[MrSquished]

You mean it's good when you don't need to turn?

lol yeah

I hope he makes the yoke the standard on all his cars like some blogs seemed to think and just refuses to let his giant man baby ego get out of the way.

 

[Kaido]

The yoke is good for high speed driving, it's simply not as good for anything at low speed - as per various driving blogs I read.

This sounds like going backwards tbh lol

 

[Kaido]

Supposedly the Cybertruck final design is now locked-in & we're looking at a mid-2023 launch:

Tesla Cybertruck design is 'finally locked' and gets an updated timeline

Elon Musk says that the final Tesla Cybertruck design is "finally locked" and he updated the timeline to production for mid-2023

electrek.co

I'll tentatively update my expectations to Christmas 2024, but I'm still planning on 2025 for mine lol

 

[gorobei]

wow, god help you if a cell or module fails. better stock up on solvent.

fyi model s repair example

 

[Red Squirrel]

Yeah really wish they would make these more serviceable. IMO each battery module should be separately accessible and use O rings like you'd have on an engine block or something. I get it's important to make these weather tight but there's better ways of going about it.

 

[gorobei]

good news: the whole battery pack can be recycled by tossing it into absolute zero tank where it will disintegrate into component elements floating at various depths due to buoyancy differences.

bad news: entirely un-serviceable by anyone.

the foam is for securing everything in place, not water protection. the aluminum and steel outer housing protects from the environment. apparently mechanical fasteners are for chumps and glue is way more reliable. it will be interesting to see how they are cooling the cells.