Terrorists regrouping to strike, Congress told

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Hey, let's not worry about another attack on our country. Let's concentrate on policy instead! Well shucks, we really can't do anything about SA because our policy dictates that we can't. Guess we'll just have to sit back and take it from those guys who have no real policy but to blow sh!t up and kill innocents on purpose. :roll:

I'm not sure how this justifies killing different innocent people though.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Hey, let's not worry about another attack on our country. Let's concentrate on policy instead! Well shucks, we really can't do anything about SA because our policy dictates that we can't. Guess we'll just have to sit back and take it from those guys who have no real policy but to blow sh!t up and kill innocents on purpose. :roll:

I'm not sure how this justifies killing different innocent people though.

The key phrase here is "on purpose." AQ kills innocent civilians on purpose. We do not.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Invading Iraq did nothing to secure the country. We may find that it did quite the opposite.

If you are looking for immediate gratification and results, the ME is probably not the place to look. What is being done there will take time before any results can be determined with much certainty. So far the the direction things are goign overall is rather encouraging though.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Invading Iraq did nothing to secure the country. We may find that it did quite the opposite.

If you are looking for immediate gratification and results, the ME is probably not the place to look. What is being done there will take time before any results can be determined with much certainty. So far the the direction things are goign overall is rather encouraging though.

Not to thousands of innocent, dead Iraqis. Not to the thousands of Americans who may die in the next 9/11, triggered by us slaughtering those innocent dead Iraqis.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The key phrase here is "on purpose." AQ kills innocent civilians on purpose. We do not.

I suppose there is a distinction between 'kill onpurpose' and 'willfully engage in operations guaranteed to kill by accident'.

I don't find the distinction particularly meaningful though.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Yeah, the psychics in Washington are real good at predicting desireable outcomes in Iraq:

welcomed as liberators

flowers in the streets

mission accomplished (though maybe that meant some old mission - today's reason for the war is to establish the seeds of democracy in the ME)

What could you possibly find encouraging so far? The election they just had is of course being herolded as some great achievement, but it is the tiniest piece in a large puzzle. They are lightyears away from a stable government that can maintain the country and guarantee equal rights for all of its citizens. We continue to pour blood and treasure into it, and I can't even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[phillyTIM]

the shamelssness of bush's regime is truly unparalleled in our history. he politicizes and strikes the cold yellow bane of fear and terror, whenever it suites his needs.

this man jerks us around as much as a porn star jerks off on screen

america needs to wake up to who the real terrorist is around here, bush and his regime of warhawk cronies, because his spending is what is gonna really kill social security and every other program in this country for his green-eyes money-hungry monsterous needs.

 

[judasmachine]

as long as they just attack Congress I'm ok with it.

/Mars Attacks

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Condor

Perhaps if the ME leaders who had focused the efforts of the people they led on progressive technology, industry, medical science and agriculture that would help their people instead of a sick fixation on becoming the new worlds dark age Khilafah that would solve all ME problems through faith and just pure magic with the destruction of the rest of the world, they wouldn't have the "real issues" that they have today. The "Make me very wealthy and powerful as your leader" and I will solve everything just doesn't work! All that does is to allow a few to have huge Saddam style palaces that the poor can admire as they walk past on their way to prayers. The feudal system did work, but for few!

I'm not actually sure what you're saying here... I agree that government in the ME is hardly helping the problem, though I think Saddam was far from the worst dictator in the region. The west helps keep these people in power, in the name of economic stability (for us, not them).

At some point the people in the middle east will revolt against their leaders, just like Europe defeated monarchy, feudalism, the Church, and eventually colonialism. I think the current policies of the west are making this revolution a much more distant event though.

I've seen three countries in the ME that seem to consider the betterment of their people, possibly four. Qatar, Kuwait and Israel seem to focus on bringing progress of a sort to their people. UAE does well by their citizens too, but I think that is simply because of their per capita wealth, not due to any human feelings. The rest of the ME seems more focused on eventually bringing the rest of the world into Islam and some of the things they publish are simply beyond belief. The ME has had hundreds, if not thousands of years to move forward and little has happened. Europe progressed, but it took hundreds of years and they started in the right direction to begin with. The most I see in the ME is a few that want to rule the many. People in the ME don't seemed to inclined to revolt against their leaders either. If they were, I don't think we would be there.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
So not going after terrorists for decades allowed a bunch of terrorists to organize and fester.

Now going after them creates terrorists as well.

Any actual solutions gentlemen? Or is this just supposed to be YABB (Yet Another Bush Bash)?

Umm, no. Iraq was not "going after terrorists". Afghanistan, which was "goin after terrorists" , was never finished. The loss of focus in the WoT by going into Iraq is making the situation worse.

Going into Iraq was done precisely because of the WoT. It's not losing focus. It IS the focus.

To understand that though you have to look at the entire ME and not just focus only on Iraq to the exclusion of all else.

If it gives you comfort to believe that BS, go ahead. Increasingly reports are that it is merely increasing Terrorism/Terrorists.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Invading Iraq did nothing to secure the country. We may find that it did quite the opposite.

If you are looking for immediate gratification and results, the ME is probably not the place to look. What is being done there will take time before any results can be determined with much certainty. So far the the direction things are goign overall is rather encouraging though.

Not to thousands of innocent, dead Iraqis. Not to the thousands of Americans who may die in the next 9/11, triggered by us slaughtering those innocent dead Iraqis.

People die through the actions of other human beings every day in this world. Maybe you should reconcile yourself to that fact?

And many of the libs in here profess to not giving a piss in the wind about Iraqis dying, at least when saddam was killing them. More hypocrisy from the libs, as usual.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Yeah, the psychics in Washington are real good at predicting desireable outcomes in Iraq:

welcomed as liberators

flowers in the streets

mission accomplished (though maybe that meant some old mission - today's reason for the war is to establish the seeds of democracy in the ME)

What could you possibly find encouraging so far? The election they just had is of course being herolded as some great achievement, but it is the tiniest piece in a large puzzle. They are lightyears away from a stable government that can maintain the country and guarantee equal rights for all of its citizens. We continue to pour blood and treasure into it, and I can't even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

You don't want to hear anything about the positive directions, obviously and will deny it when it happens.

Keep focusing on the bad the media feeds you and chanting "Death, DEATH, DEATH!" to yourself constantly. Maybe you'll feel better tomorrow?

 

[jackschmittusa]

TastesLikeChicken

You don't want to hear anything about the positive directions, obviously and will deny it when it happens.

I see you are psychic too.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
TastesLikeChicken

You don't want to hear anything about the positive directions, obviously and will deny it when it happens.

I see you are psychic too.

It doesn't take a psychic to observe the obvious. Keep denying that Iraq is headed in the right direction right up to the end. I'm sure you won't be the only one in here doing that either so you'll have plenty of shoulders to cry on that your dreams of a bitter defeat for your enemies - the US - didn't come true.

Boo hoo.

 

[raildogg]

Iraq is about to pick its PM, either Jaafari or less likely, Chalabi. Chalabi is a great tv personality, always gives great interviews and is very media savvy. The cable news channels would love to see Chalabi as PM. Jaafari is a great choice for the job, since he is a moderate who has promised to do whatever he can to crack on the terrorist thugs.

There are a lot of positives in Iraq, but these forums keep harping on the negative news. Its truly sad. Iraq is now a democracy, we have a footprint in Iraq.

 

[jackschmittusa]

TastesLikeChicken

Since you are so adept at observing the obvious, have you noticed:

insurgent attacke are on the rise

Iraqis are killing Iraqis

there is a strong possibility that a new government in Iraq will be based on Muslim law - read: repressive, limited, unequal rights

a government possibly aligned with and influenced by Iran

that there is still a threat of civil war

that the U.S. is seen as still meddeling and manipulating behind the scenes

that the Iraqis really don't control much of anything in their country

Your assertion that I seek the defeat of our country is a pathetic attempt to paint me as disloyal, perhaps traitorous. GWB has taught you well.

I state the situation as I see it and you respond with what I consider a personal attack based on pure fabrication. I have a DD214 in my file cabinet that says "Honorably Discharged". Your attack on my loyalty to this country is dishonorable and without merit. You have diminished you personal integrety and therefore, your value as a person in my opinion.

 

[raildogg]

Iraqis are killing Iraqis

Foreign intrusion into Iraq is killing Iraqis. Foreign influence from Iran and Syria is killing Iraqis.

Terrorist does not happen out of nowhere, it requires a great deal of funding and logistics. Iran is the chief funder of terrorism worldwide, Iraq is one of the main locations for its operations at the moment.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Iraqis are killing Iraqis

Foreign intrusion into Iraq is killing Iraqis. Foreign influence from Iran and Syria is killing Iraqis.

That's right. And the Iraqis collaborating with the foreign intruders are the ones being killed.

 

[DealMonkey]

I have two words for you TLC: al-Sistani He could very well steer Iraq towards an Iranian-supported theocracy. His ties to Iran are quite well known and strong. Yeah. Good luck with that. 🙂

 

[jackschmittusa]

raildogg

And you don't think that money and weapons were not handed out and/or hidden before the "war" was over? and while 9-11 was fairly expensive, the kind of attacks going on in Iraq are very cheap and use materials at hand. Do you think that Iran is supplying artillery shells for makeshift bombs (which is what is often used) instead of C-4 or Semtex or such?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I have two words for you TLC: al-Sistani He could very well steer Iraq towards an Iranian-supported theocracy. His ties to Iran are quite well known and strong. Yeah. Good luck with that. 🙂

From what I've read (included some admittedly leftist works), al-Sistani is actually a proponent for the separation of church and state and distances himself from the Iranian ayatollahs and mullahs.

al-Sadr otoh....

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
TastesLikeChicken

You don't want to hear anything about the positive directions, obviously and will deny it when it happens.

I see you are psychic too.

It doesn't take a psychic to observe the obvious. Keep denying that Iraq is headed in the right direction right up to the end. I'm sure you won't be the only one in here doing that either so you'll have plenty of shoulders to cry on that your dreams of a bitter defeat for your enemies - the US - didn't come true. Boo hoo.

for the Centaur.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Invading Iraq did nothing to secure the country. We may find that it did quite the opposite.

If you are looking for immediate gratification and results, the ME is probably not the place to look. What is being done there will take time before any results can be determined with much certainty. So far the the direction things are goign overall is rather encouraging though.

Not to thousands of innocent, dead Iraqis. Not to the thousands of Americans who may die in the next 9/11, triggered by us slaughtering those innocent dead Iraqis.

People die through the actions of other human beings every day in this world. Maybe you should reconcile yourself to that fact?

And many of the libs in here profess to not giving a piss in the wind about Iraqis dying, at least when saddam was killing them. More hypocrisy from the libs, as usual.

That was stupid, even for you. You just said it is acceptable for us to murder Iraqis, and for terrorists to retaliate and murder us. Is this the new vision for America by Dub and his fan-boys? Is this what you mean by Dub making us safer: we redefined 'safe' to mean reconciling ourselves to the fact terrorists are going to murder us?

I would love to see you in court. "People die through the actions of other human beings every day, your honor. You should reconcile yourself to that fact." "Guilty. I sentence you to the electric chair for murder .... and being a pompous hypocrite." Case closed. TastesLikeFriedChicken now!


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Invading Iraq did nothing to secure the country. We may find that it did quite the opposite.

If you are looking for immediate gratification and results, the ME is probably not the place to look. What is being done there will take time before any results can be determined with much certainty. So far the the direction things are goign overall is rather encouraging though.

Not to thousands of innocent, dead Iraqis. Not to the thousands of Americans who may die in the next 9/11, triggered by us slaughtering those innocent dead Iraqis.

People die through the actions of other human beings every day in this world. Maybe you should reconcile yourself to that fact?

And many of the libs in here profess to not giving a piss in the wind about Iraqis dying, at least when saddam was killing them. More hypocrisy from the libs, as usual.

That was stupid, even for you. You just said it is acceptable for us to murder Iraqis, and for terrorists to retaliate and murder us. Is this the new vision for America by Dub and his fan-boys? Is this what you mean by Dub making us safer: we redefined 'safe' to mean reconciling ourselves to the fact terrorists are going to murder us?

Pretty much everyone but Bush's financial base (ie "the rich") is expendible anyway. They'd probably jump for joy if a couple million poor/elderly were off "the dole" (as THEY see it), doubly so if they were liberals.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
So not going after terrorists for decades allowed a bunch of terrorists to organize and fester.

Now going after them creates terrorists as well.

Any actual solutions gentlemen? Or is this just supposed to be YABB (Yet Another Bush Bash)?

No no, its our policies within the mideast over the past fifty years that led to this situation. They just aren't going to sit there and realize "damn we suck...attack them!" . They know they suck, because we have implented policies that prevent them from going on up (them as in the people~). Remember when Bin Laden released a transcript (not sure which one 😉 ) saying that they hoped to see the same style of democracy spread through the midesast, but rather they saw America embrace their totalitarianist regimes.