Terrorists hide in childrens hospitals, day care centers says Israel

[Noobtastic]

The top Hamas leadership slept inside a children’s hospital in Gaza City the night of December 27, 2008, to escape Israeli targeted killings after the IDF launched Operation Cast Lead, according to intelligence revealed in a new report aimed at countering the Goldstone Report.

According to the paper, compiled by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (Malam), Hamas used over 10 hospitals during last year’s operation to launch rockets at Israeli towns and to attack IDF troops operating inside the Gaza Strip.

The Goldstone Report concluded it could not confirm Israel’s claims that Hamas used hospitals for military purposes during the operation.

“The Mission did not find any evidence to support the allegations that hospital facilities were used by the Gaza authorities or by Palestinian armed groups to shield military activities and that ambulances were used to transport combatants or for other military purposes,” Judge Richard Goldstone wrote in his report.

The Malam report rejects Goldstone’s conclusion and provides declassified intelligence information as well as Palestinian testimonies that Hamas stored weapons and established command centers inside hospitals and even fired rockets and set up military positions adjacent to the medical centers.

One of the more famous cases was the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, which Israel said was used during the operation as a hideout for top Hamas terror chiefs. According to the Malam report, intelligence obtained by Israel showed that Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, Foreign Minister Mohammed Zahar and Interior Minister Said Siam were based inside a bunker underneath the hospital’s burn ward.

Terrorists also set up military posts next to the hospital, which they used to fire mortars at Israeli troops who discovered a tunnel underneath a mosque located next to the hospital, which led to the maternity ward and was used by terrorists to move undetected between the buildings.

Hamas also set up a command center inside one of the wings of a children’s hospital in the Nasser neighborhood of Gaza City, where the top Hamas leadership slept the night of December 27. Due to the sensitivity of the intelligence information, the report does not specify which leaders were in the hospital that night.

Another hospital extensively used by Hamas was the Al-Fahoura Medical Center in the northern Gaza Strip, next to which Hamas built a training camp and a military base.

Aerial photographs, disclosed in the Malam report, show that the area around the hospital was heavily mined and that tunnels were dug around the building as well as under the medical center. Rockets were also launched in close proximity.

“Hamas did this since it was correct in its assumption that the IDF would refrain from attacking hospitals and that terrorists would receive so-called immunity by operating there,” the Malam report states.

The Goldstone report lost all credibility when they failed to follow up on the documented-fact that Hamas deliberately exploited Israel's R.O.E by embedding themselves heavily among civilian populations and launching rockets from hospitals, homes, etc....

This was proven at the start of the war simply from satellite footage. And Hamas leaders themselves boasted about using women and children - which the Goldstone Report actually cites (I've read it twice):

"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed humans shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life."

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=170992

- Fathi Hamma, Hamas commander

Interestingly Goldstone considers this testimony to not "constitute an admission of guilt."

The Goldstone report did in fact collect a lot of information proving Hamas' culpability, but most of the evidence was dismissed or minimized, while Palestinian "accusations" against Israel were accepted unchallenged, in spite of blatant evidence to the contrary.

It just disgusts such an openly-honest terrorist group that clearly uses hospitals has yet to be taken to task by BBC or US media.

I mean, think about it. The top Hamas officials survived the war, only Rayan was killed (after the IDF phoned his home in advance, warning the family of the attack). Why? Because they hid under hospitals. Israel isn't going to level a hospital loaded with hundreds of people.

Anyways, I'm glad this shuts down the Gaza war propaganda and how israel attacked flour mills, water pumps, UN buildings to "punish" the civilians because Israel is racist against them.

Right.

 

[Double Trouble]

Yawn.... jpost. Yeah, that's credible

 

[Tristicus]

Do they play peekaboo with the kids?

 

[Zebo]

The spice must flow.

 

[DesiPower]

aren't, some of them too your to learn the 70 virgin theory? isn't that a pedo crime?

 

[Modelworks]

It would not surprise me if it were true. During the fighting in Iraq the enemy often hid inside mosque that were deemed holy sites because they knew the troops had orders not to return fire for fear of damaging the sites and causing a public backlash.

People were asking why all the problems in Afghanistan of late with the enemy holding up in villages in the mountains, why not just use a predator to wipe them out ? It is because of this tactic . The enemy puts children all around the sites so if they are attacked it looks really bad on the attackers.

It is an old tactic that works well if your enemy values life.

 

[Lemon law]

And Noble Israel never cheats either? Tell me again how Israel never goes into other countries to assassinate people, always accesses the same property tax on Jews and Arabs, and is a genuine peace partner.

Get em clue, both sides cheat.

But you can write it down in a book somewhere, Palestinian dirty trick # 8, 273,563,281
while the Palestinians have another book that records Israeli dirty trick # 8, 285,589, 082. After the numbers get large enough, does it really matter which number is larger?
When you can spend several lifetimes just reading the one sided abuses of the other side, regardless of which side you choose. In short, this thread is just another pathetic attempt to justify bad behavior. On the assumption if the other side is bad, the other side must therefore be the good guys. And maybe if two wrongs still do not equal one right, somehow there may be some magic combination of X wrongs and Y wrongs that somehow add up to a single right. But somehow, after 62 years of trying, we still have not found the magic combination.

The first thing to learn about the mid-east is that all sides are the bad guys. But in the overall box score, Israeli has pigged far far more than its fair share.

 

[Atreus21]

The first thing to learn about the mid-east is that all sides are the bad guys.

100% disagree. Israel doesn't deliberately bomb civilians. It doesn't strap bombs to its own citizens.

 

[Narmer]

So? I guess this means I'm supposed to wag my finger at them and give them a stern no or see them as sub-human somehow? Honestly, I couldn't care less. I don't know of any war where both sides fought noblely let alone a far weaker side fighting noblely.

100% disagree. Israel doesn't deliberately bomb civilians. It doesn't strap bombs to its own citizens.

That's because it has the luxury not to. However, when Israel was not a state, it's proponents did kill civilians willingly. I don't see how this is different from any other political group seeking power.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Goldstone report is only useful for those that want to accept it's credibility.

Within the report itself; it indicates that it did not follow up with key pieces of info.
People should be asking why did it not? Political pressure or bias?

 

[Narmer]

The Goldstone report is only useful for those that want to accept it's credibility.

Within the report itself; it indicates that it did not follow up with key pieces of info.
People should be asking why did it not? Political pressure or bias?

Does it really matter? Israel also did not want to cooperate from the very beginning. I don't blame them because this report was essentially putting them on equal footing with Hamas. No country wants to be equated with a political movement. People already pre-judged the outcome anyway.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Israel did provide information which never found its way into the report.

Hamas also provided information and numbers that other (non Israeli) sources repudiated.
Yet that infomation was pasted straight into the report.

 

[Woofmeister]

And Noble Israel never cheats either? Tell me again how Israel never goes into other countries to assassinate people, always accesses the same property tax on Jews and Arabs, and is a genuine peace partner.

Are you claiming that the government of Israel assesses property taxes at different rates depending on whether the land is owned by Jews or Arabs? I'd love to see some support for that claim.

 

[Noobtastic]

Are you claiming that the government of Israel assesses property taxes at different rates depending on whether the land is owned by Jews or Arabs? I'd love to see some support for that claim.

LOL! Yup, Lemon law is out there.

PNA passed a law known cas the "palestinian land laws" which ban Palestinians from selling under-developed land to Israeli jews (a.k.a settlers).

most palestinians are willing to sell land they dont use because they dont have the means to cultivate it, and the israelis will pay 4x the amount palestinian/jordanians would.

palestinian land ended up being taken by force during the 2nd intifada because israel was forced to build roads/highways that avoided heavily palestinian areas, and this was mostly on palestinian owned land.

but for 20 years israeli jews and palestinians lived rather well, and "settlers" frequently traveled to nablus or ramallah to sell goods or trade.

but, back to the article - i imagine it can be frustrating for the IDF to deal with such an exploitative regime but because the regime challenges Israel, and not say...USA, Britain, Saudi Arabia, etc...it is given more freedom than what they would otherwise receive if they were to be an opponent to any other state.

the fact that so-called rights groups and the UN completely failed to recognize hamas honest policy about blending in among civilians, or pretending to civilians, sometimes with the civilians tacit approval, was a major slap in the face to reality.

hopefully next time the IDF treats gaza like we treat afghanistan so obama has no room to complain.

 

[theamericans075]

"says Israel"

 

[JEDIYoda]

And Noble Israel never cheats either? Tell me again how Israel never goes into other countries to assassinate people, always accesses the same property tax on Jews and Arabs, and is a genuine peace partner.

Get em clue, both sides cheat.

But you can write it down in a book somewhere, Palestinian dirty trick # 8, 273,563,281
while the Palestinians have another book that records Israeli dirty trick # 8, 285,589, 082. After the numbers get large enough, does it really matter which number is larger?
When you can spend several lifetimes just reading the one sided abuses of the other side, regardless of which side you choose. In short, this thread is just another pathetic attempt to justify bad behavior. On the assumption if the other side is bad, the other side must therefore be the good guys. And maybe if two wrongs still do not equal one right, somehow there may be some magic combination of X wrongs and Y wrongs that somehow add up to a single right. But somehow, after 62 years of trying, we still have not found the magic combination.

The first thing to learn about the mid-east is that all sides are the bad guys. But in the overall box score, Israeli has pigged far far more than its fair share.

All this B.S is coming from a known Palestinian sympathizer.....rofl

 

[JEDIYoda]

Does it really matter? Israel also did not want to cooperate from the very beginning. I don't blame them because this report was essentially putting them on equal footing with Hamas. No country wants to be equated with a political movement. People already pre-judged the outcome anyway.

What are you smoking???

 

[Freshgeardude]

also mosques and hospitals to add! I am sick of hamas doing shit like this and getting away with it. Israel should annex gaza and the west bank, kill any resistance, make people citizens.


Lets be honest here, where would an arab have a better life? in a shithole, overcrowded gaza with restricted rights based on shariah law or free in israel, which may not grant equal rights at first cautiously, but will still have many more rights than in gaza (prob not certain aspects of freedom of speach, weapons, etc)?

the latter is the obvious answer.

 

[Lemon law]

JEDIYoda response to me is, "All this B.S is coming from a known Palestinian sympathizer.....rofl "

Sorry JEDIYoda, I apply my own American standards of justice and I simply call them as I see them.

Tell me again, what is American about a religious state that denies equal justice to those who are not Jews. Israel could have been a just State in 1948 and beyond, but choose to not be such. Sure we can point to some Arab anti- semantic-ism, but now that the survival of Israel is assured, present Israeli policy that build on the hatreds, is counter productive.

Thankfully the Obama administration is saying no, no, and no to Israeli plans to keep building settlements in East Jerusalem.

I don't know about you JEDIYoda, but I would like to see a just peace in the mid-east.

 

[Noobtastic]

JEDIYoda response to me is, "All this B.S is coming from a known Palestinian sympathizer.....rofl "

Sorry JEDIYoda, I apply my own American standards of justice and I simply call them as I see them.

Tell me again, what is American about a religious state that denies equal justice to those who are not Jews. Israel could have been a just State in 1948 and beyond, but choose to not be such. Sure we can point to some Arab anti- semantic-ism, but now that the survival of Israel is assured, present Israeli policy that build on the hatreds, is counter productive.

Thankfully the Obama administration is saying no, no, and no to Israeli plans to keep building settlements in East Jerusalem.

I don't know about you JEDIYoda, but I would like to see a just peace in the mid-east.

gibberish.

it is the arab states that deny equal rights to jews, kurds, non-arab minorities, and palestinians.

arab world treats palestinians like extrament. arabs prefer to live in israel than anywhere else.

which is why israeli arabs are not emigrating to europe, and would never move to a future palestinian state even with economic incentives. i mean 95% of all israelis arabs would never leave.

yeah, what a racist apartheid.

 

[Throckmorton]

If they're hiding in a hospital, the only course of action is to not destroy the hospital, IE not create more victims FOR the terrorists while advancing their cause and turning them into martyrs.

Is common sense extinct in the entire Middle East?

 

[EagleKeeper]

JEDIYoda response to me is, "All this B.S is coming from a known Palestinian sympathizer.....rofl "

Sorry JEDIYoda, I apply my own American standards of justice and I simply call them as I see them.

Tell me again, what is American about a religious state that denies equal justice to those who are not Jews. Israel could have been a just State in 1948 and beyond, but choose to not be such. Sure we can point to some Arab anti- semantic-ism, but now that the survival of Israel is assured, present Israeli policy that build on the hatreds, is counter productive.

Thankfully the Obama administration is saying no, no, and no to Israeli plans to keep building settlements in East Jerusalem.

I don't know about you JEDIYoda, but I would like to see a just peace in the mid-east.

Who determines what is JUST?

Israel could have been a just State in 1948 and beyond, but choose to not be such.

Israel was never given a chance for its first 30 years. The wolves were at its door. Whenever the hand of peace was offered, it was bitten.

Then afterwords, you had the PLA and PLO that continued to attack Israel both at home and abroad.
Israel stands aside in GW-1 at the request of the world. That gets them the opportunity to be a missile target

Then from there you have Hamas and Hezbollah with sponsorship.

Who has allowed Israel to leave in peace and from there develop your JUST state.

Those that feel that they should have a just state have refused to allow Israel to have a JUST peace!

 

[Noobtastic]

If they're hiding in a hospital, the only course of action is to not destroy the hospital, IE not create more victims FOR the terrorists while advancing their cause and turning them into martyrs.

Is common sense extinct in the entire Middle East?

It seems the only time people are concerned about the welfare of terrorisists is when Israel shows up.

USAF carpet bombed Iraq before even deploying infantry. Nearly 10,000+ were killed well before the occupation actually began.

Afghanistan too saw at least 8,000+ killed over a period of 23 days during Operation Crescent Wind.

Of course, international media is typically embedded in the military, and rarely questions USA spokesperson.

but with Israel, most of the media embedded with Hamas, Hezbollah, or Fatah and so an entirely different reality is painted.

According to the Geneva Convention at least, if a combatants decides to camp among civilians, it does not make them immune from attack and a strike does not necessarily translate into a legal war crime simply because of civilian casualties.

how many civilian structures did the USA utter annihlate in iraq? you really think the USA would spend 5 months planning bombing scenarios, warning enemies ahead of attack, rapid recovery, etc...?

in gaza, humanitarian conditions returned to pre-war levels 2 months after the conflict ended, this largely because israel dubiously shuffled in 30 million lb of aid (much of it seized and sold for profit by hamas).

in iraq, humanitarian conditions didnt return to pre-war levels until 4 years after the invasion, and in many cities like falluja (operation phantom fury) 150,000+ are still homeless and the city is largely incapacitated even though the conflict was nearly half a decade ago.

i imagine this is what infuriates many israelis when their critics are busy bombing states thousands of miles away.

for what its worth israel's operations, from 1948-onwards, comparable rather favorably to its western and muslim critics in every fashion.

 

[Lemon law]

I certainly will not defend GWB&co policies in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor can I say Obama is all that much better.

But we can take two lessons home here, those kinds of power policies did not work in Vietnam, and after 62 years, we can say the same about Israel.

Israel is doing everything it can to earn the terrorism its faced with, and to some extent Israel is living on borrowed time, right now anti-Israeli terrorism is a minor annoyance, but modern technology favors the terrorists. I fear the day will come when terrorist will acquire the technology to use chemical and biological weapons and then terrorism will morph beyond mere annoyance. Nor will the world allow Israel to employ illegal under international law collective punishment. Nor can Israel retain the land seized in the 1967 and 1973 wars.

 

[Noobtastic]

I certainly will not defend GWB&co policies in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor can I say Obama is all that much better.

But we can take two lessons home here, those kinds of power policies did not work in Vietnam, and after 62 years, we can say the same about Israel.

this is your problem lemon law. you really dont understand israel's threats and needs, while minimizing not only the hypocrisy of USA military policy and its NATO allies, but also the sheer disproportion between their military history.

drawing analogies to vietnam is yet another example of your ignorance of military strategy and simple history.

vietnam was a multi-front war that killed nearly 5,000,000+ mostly civilian over a period of less than a decade.

it was fought thousands of miles away from USA mainland.

arab-israeli conflict, on the other hand, has killed less than ~60,000 - overwhelmingly combat-age males - in the last 100 years.

unfortunately id say this is a product of the media. it seems the gaza war received more coverage and protest than the haiti earthquake.

one could assume a genocide was occurring based on the number of editorials alone.

Israel is doing everything it can to earn the terrorism its faced with, and to some extent Israel is living on borrowed time, right now anti-Israeli terrorism is a minor annoyance, but modern technology favors the terrorists.

again, you are acting retarded.

right now israel is #1 at dealing with terrorists which is why every smart nation - including muslim states like Turkey - turn to israel for support. where do you think the USA went after 9/11? Britain after 7/7? India after mumbai?

hell, sri lanka defeated the tamils after registering with israel.

i really dont understand how a troll could say something israel is "earning the terrorism" as if it somehow deserves it.

i find that to be morally offensive and i suggest you earn some knowledge and dare i say a human soul for making such a disgusting statement.

I fear the day will come when terrorist will acquire the technology to use chemical and biological weapons and then terrorism will morph beyond mere annoyance. Nor will the world allow Israel to employ illegal under international law collective punishment. Nor can Israel retain the land seized in the 1967 and 1973 wars.

again, retarded.

seriously. you go from stupid to retarded.

congrats.