Terrorist used SPLC to target Christian group.

[monovillage]

http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-used-southern-poverty-law-centers-website-identify-182100233.html

Earlier today, Floyd Lee Corkins, II, pleaded guilty to three charges including a District of Columbia charge of committing an act of terrorism. The charges stem from the August 15, 2012 shooting at the Family Research Council's headquarters.

Today's hearing also revealed that in the interview with the FBI right after the shooting, the shooter admitted his guilt, which was captured on video. He said he intended to "kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-Fil-A sandwiches in victims' faces, and kill the guard." The prosecutor said they reviewed the family computer and found that he identified his targets on the Southern Poverty Law Center's web site.

"The day after Floyd Corkins came into the FRC headquarters and opened fire wounding one of our team members, I stated that while Corkins was responsible for the shooting, he had been given a license to perpetrate this act of violence by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center which has systematically and recklessly labeled every organization with which they disagree as a 'hate group.'

"Today both assertions were validated in court as Corkins plead guilty to multiple criminal charges, including terrorism.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center can no longer say that it is not a source for those bent on committing acts of violence. Only by ending its hate labeling practices will the SPLC send a message that it no longer wishes to be a source for those who would commit acts of violence that are only designed to intimidate and silence Christians and others who support natural marriage and traditional morality.

It's pretty obvious from the evidence, the confession and the guilty plea that this nutcase used the Southern Poverty Law Center hate site to target a group he disagreed with. While the SPLC purports to fight hate, it seems it's getting splashed with some of it's own paint. They're not guilty of setting this nutjob out, but they should probably be less strident in pointing out targets to violent terrorists.
BTW it was an armed guard at the building that stopped this from being a bloodbath.

*EDIT* It turns out the guard was an unarmed guard that even though he was shot he wrestled the shooter to the ground.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...uard-shot-security-guard-floyd-lee-corkins-ii

 

[DominionSeraph]

Stood his Ground. Righteous shoot. Glad to hear about heroes standing up for our 2nd Amendment rights.
Needed more guns, though. Someone should've told him about the usefulness of an AR-15 with 30 round magazines in these situations.

 

[michal1980]

shouldn't there be a hate crime adder for this?

Or does that only get applied when minorities are the targets?

 

[Ausm]

How can you Righties in here blame the Southern Poverty Law center for dropping the ball on this when they are flooded with a deluge of Rightwing hate groups to track in this country.

 

[PokerGuy]

How can you Righties in here blame the Southern Poverty Law center for dropping the ball on this when they are flooded with a deluge of Rightwing hate groups to track in this country.

They didn't drop any ball, the point is that they themselves are exactly what they purport to fight, a group that promotes hate and intolerance of the ideas they don't agree with.

 

[fskimospy]

They didn't drop any ball, the point is that they themselves are exactly what they purport to fight, a group that promotes hate and intolerance of the ideas they don't agree with.

Oh good, we hadn't seen the argument of 'if you don't like bigots, you're a bigot' argument for awhile.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Stood his Ground. Righteous shoot. Glad to hear about heroes standing up for our 2nd Amendment rights.
Needed more guns, though. Someone should've told him about the usefulness of an AR-15 with 30 round magazines in these situations.

Except he didn't. You really aren't that smart.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh good, we hadn't seen the argument of 'if you don't like bigots, you're a bigot' argument for awhile.

Perhaps some facts would be useful.

The SPLC responded with a statement emphasizing that it had always opposed political violence, from the left or the right, in a democracy. It also disputed Perkins’ televised claim that FRC was listed as a hate group because it opposed same-sex marriage, pointing out that at the time of the initial listing, the SPLC said the listing was based on FRC’s propagation of known falsehoods about gay people — in particular, the claim that large numbers of gay men are child molesters.

I had a look at the site and a cursory look shows that it doesn't seem to be overly concerned with differences of perspectives so much as really nasty people and misrepresentation.

In this case someone was looking to start trouble and found validation of his beliefs through the internet.

If one looks at the interactive map one will find not just neonazis and white groups, but the Nation of Islam and such. Muslim extremist black separatists and neonazis? Looks "fair and balanced" at least for that part.

The only thing which I saw (and granted I'm in a hurry so I didn't give everything a close look) that I objected to is their perspective on the gun issue, which I think is biased. I can pick any controversial topic and pick the most extreme proponent of the side of the argument I don't back and use them to make that side of the coin look bad by extension. It can even be true, but that doesn't make it representative. However it's a blog and people can say what they will.

As far as the OP argument, I can't say that this site was responsible. At the end of the day the person who did the shooting is the blame and all else is excuse.

 

[monovillage]

How can you Righties in here blame the Southern Poverty Law center for dropping the ball on this when they are flooded with a deluge of Rightwing hate groups to track in this country.

Do you consider the Family Research Center to be a hate group and being opposed to gay marriage a hate crime? Should they even be on the SPLC list?

I've been a supporter of gay marriage for a long time, even voted to uphold it here in Ca., but I don't consider it a "hate crime" to oppose it.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you consider the Family Research Center to be a hate group and being opposed to gay marriage a hate crime? Should they even be on the SPLC list?

I've been a supporter of gay marriage for a long time, even voted to uphold it here in Ca., but I don't consider it a "hate crime" to oppose it.

The FRC is not listed as a hate group because it opposes same sex marriage. There are many groups that oppose same sex marriage who did not make the list.

 

[monovillage]

In this story the terrorist claimed he used the SPLC site to target FRC.

In his plea agreement, Corkins acknowledged he identified the council as "an anti-gay organization" by visiting the law center's website. The head of the council, Tony Perkins, called on the group to stop labeling his organization and others hate groups because of their stance on gay rights. The law center said it stands by its label.

So it seems the SPLC is going to keep the wording and the targeting up on their website. Maybe the next whacko will be more successful.
http://news.yahoo.com/man-guilty-family-research-council-shooting-160721029.html

 

[fskimospy]

In this story the terrorist claimed he used the SPLC site to target FRC.


So it seems the SPLC is going to keep the wording and the targeting up on their website. Maybe the next whacko will be more successful.
http://news.yahoo.com/man-guilty-family-research-council-shooting-160721029.html

The SLPC should stop labeling the KKK as a hate group too, if someone acts out against the KKK it's probably the SLPC's fault for letting people know that the KKK are a bunch of shitheads.

If the FRC is concerned about being labeled a hate group, maybe it should stop doing things that get it labeled as a hate group.

 

[zsdersw]

At the end of the day the person who did the shooting is the blame and all else is excuse.

This.

 

[monovillage]

The SLPC should stop labeling the KKK as a hate group too, if someone acts out against the KKK it's probably the SLPC's fault for letting people know that the KKK are a bunch of shitheads.

If the FRC is concerned about being labeled a hate group, maybe it should stop doing things that get it labeled as a hate group.

You're just going of the deep end because a leftist organization is abusing the concept of what a hate group is and using a weird sense of justification for making these groups targets for nutcases. Do you really compare the FRC to the KKK?

 

[monovillage]

This.

Yep and that's what I said in my OP "They're not guilty of setting this nutjob out, but they should probably be less strident in pointing out targets to violent terrorists. "

 

[fskimospy]

You're just going of the deep end because a leftist organization is abusing the concept of what a hate group is and using a weird sense of justification for making these groups targets for nutcases. Do you really compare the FRC to the KKK?

All the FRC wants to do is spread the lie that gay men are pedophiles in peace. Why can't the SPLC just leave them alone?

Really it's the SPLC's fault for pointing out the FRC's horrendous actions, not the FRC's fault for doing them. I'm glad we cleared this up.

 

[zsdersw]

Yep and that's what I said in my OP "They're not guilty of setting this nutjob out, but they should probably be less strident in pointing out targets to violent terrorists. "

Your comment makes the SPLC appear more culpable than it is. The things nutjobs use to justify their actions are not responsible for what the nutjob does.

 

[sm625]

This is what the Southern Poverty Law Center is there for.

 

[monovillage]

All the FRC wants to do is spread the lie that gay men are pedophiles in peace. Why can't the SPLC just leave them alone?

Really it's the SPLC's fault for pointing out the FRC's horrendous actions, not the FRC's fault for doing them. I'm glad we cleared this up.

News to me, those bastards shouldn't be allowed to practice their religious beliefs in a free country like the United States. Right Eskimo?

 

[monovillage]

This is what the Southern Poverty Law Center is there for.

Kind of like opposing politicians targeting rivals?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20027918-503544.html

We do not yet know what prompted 22-year-old accused gunman Jared Loughner to allegedly shoot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and others, including a child and federal judge who died from their wounds.

But critics of Sarah Palin have already drawn a link between the shooting and the fact that the former Alaska governor put Giffords on a "target list" of lawmakers Palin wanted to see unseated in the midterm elections.

Just this time the SPLC really did target the Family Research Council with the name of a "hate group" and a place on their map.

 

[fskimospy]

News to me, those bastards shouldn't be allowed to practice their religious beliefs in a free country like the United States. Right Eskimo?

News to me that those bastards at the SPLC shouldn't be allowed to exercise free speech.

Freedom of religion only applies to the government stopping you from exercising your religion. It does not stop others from letting people know just how horrible your religious beliefs are. Or were you planning on not criticizing Islam anymore?

 

[zsdersw]

http://www.advocate.com/youth/2013/02/06/six-scout-supporters-who-say-gays-are-child-molesters

Stuff like this is probably why the FRC is designated a "hate group". In spite of overwhelming evidence that child molesters are almost exclusively heterosexual, these idiots still fan the flames of fear that homosexuals are out to get your kids.

 

[Atreus21]

Mono, get back to us when it's a right-on-left crime. Then we'll have a scandal.

 

[zsdersw]

Mono, get back to us when it's a right-on-left crime. Then we'll have a scandal.

This isn't a scandal, it's a nutjob doing what nutjobs do.

 

[Incorruptible]

So the left isnt as tolerant as they claim to be, Typical of them, the left is much more hateful and destructive, they should be ashamed of themselves for this and hopefully the media covers this