Terrorist scumbuckets suffer, die, and rot in hell

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

If religion didnt exist, I'm 110% positive we could find another excuse to destroy each other.

I don't think so. Not in the same way at least. There would be wars, but not terrorism. Religion provides a socially acceptable cover for commit these acts.

Most of these terrorists are supported by their communities, or even the government. Do you really think that if religion didn't exist, towns would welcome home bombers, hijackers, and kidnappers? What would be the rationale for honoring these people?

What about environmental terrorists BTW? Or Basque Terrorists? Or Timmy Mcveigh?

 

[PokerGuy]

While religion is certainly one of the most common drivers for terrible things done throughout history, it certainly is not the only one. How about communist rebels / terrorist killing people? They don't subscribe to any religion, yet are capable of doing the same evil deeds. Anyone that is a fanatic in any belief or cause system is a danger to all humanity. The fanatic belief in anything is used as rationalization of evil deeds......

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

Religion is only a means that can bring about the best, or the worst, in humanity. The common component in all that is evil, and all that is good, is humans, not religion.

The best in humanity? Reliance on another entity to drive us to good?

Know what this thread is showing so far?... It shows that people like you are too stupid to understand what the thread is about, and instead insist on jumping at any chance to bash religion regardless of the circumstances. And BTW in doing so, you exemplify the negative characteristics of the very thing you go out of your way to bash.

-Max

Like what?

Like the inability to accept that other people believe something different than you. And the aparantly uncontrollable need to press your beliefs regardless of whether such advances are desired or even remotely appropriate.

regardless if you two believe in religion or not. guess what you are fighting about?? yep, religion.

And you honestly believe that if there was no religion, humanity would suddenly be peaceful? You honestly believe that human beings wouldn't find another reason to murder, maime and rape each other?

no and no.

however, the bombing stated in this post would probably never have happened and also the arguement started in this conversation would never have happened.

just because there is less of something doesn't mean it will be replaced by something else.

take this for example.

say 100,000 (just a number picked for the sake of arguement) people are killed each year due to religion induced fights. Now, if religion didn't exist, those 100,000 would be alive. sure they would rob or kill each other for petty things, but it would not add up anywhere near to the original 100,000.

now, you also have to include the limitations religion has put on science over the years. if there was never any religion, you have to entertain the possibility that our civilization would be much much more advanced than it is today. leading to less crimes/pollution/ and many problems we currently deal with today would be resolved. sure, there would be new problems that would come up (like we could be dealing with the disposal of nuclear waste and running into limitations on where to put it), but we would not be dealing with religious whackos blowing people to bits.

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: Doboji
What about environmental terrorists BTW? Or Basque Terrorists? Or Timmy Mcveigh?

In general, such causes do not enjoy popular support because they appeal only to a small or disaffected portion of the population. So their effect is quite limited.

On the other hand, religion is often a defining factor of an entire culture. If religion did not exist, I don't think it would cause the rise of an "Enviromental Republic".

You bring up good points which I can't disprove without having a crystal ball. But, I still think individual violence would decrease significantly without the presence of religion.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

Religion is only a means that can bring about the best, or the worst, in humanity. The common component in all that is evil, and all that is good, is humans, not religion.

The best in humanity? Reliance on another entity to drive us to good?

Know what this thread is showing so far?... It shows that people like you are too stupid to understand what the thread is about, and instead insist on jumping at any chance to bash religion regardless of the circumstances. And BTW in doing so, you exemplify the negative characteristics of the very thing you go out of your way to bash.

-Max

Like what?

Like the inability to accept that other people believe something different than you.

I accept it just fine. I don't really have a problem with religious people, but I did take offense from his statement that religion brings out the "best" in humanity. As if I were being held back by my agnosticism. :roll:

And the aparantly uncontrollable need to press your beliefs regardless of whether such advances are desired or even remotely appropriate.

Alright, what I was proselytizing for?

 

[Doboji]

just because there is less of something doesn't mean it will be replaced by something else.

take this for example.

say 100,000 (just a number picked for the sake of arguement) people are killed each year due to religion induced fights. Now, if religion didn't exist, those 100,000 would be alive. sure they would rob or kill each other for petty things, but it would not add up anywhere near to the original 100,000.

now, you also have to include the limitations religion has put on science over the years. if there was never any religion, you have to entertain the possibility that our civilization would be much much more advanced than it is today. leading to less crimes/pollution/ and many problems we currently deal with today would be resolved. sure, there would be new problems that would come up (like we could be dealing with the disposal of nuclear waste and running into limitations on where to put it), but we would not be dealing with religious whackos blowing people to bits.

I can't even begin to address the ignorance in this utterly stupid argument.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

Religion is only a means that can bring about the best, or the worst, in humanity. The common component in all that is evil, and all that is good, is humans, not religion.

The best in humanity? Reliance on another entity to drive us to good?

Know what this thread is showing so far?... It shows that people like you are too stupid to understand what the thread is about, and instead insist on jumping at any chance to bash religion regardless of the circumstances. And BTW in doing so, you exemplify the negative characteristics of the very thing you go out of your way to bash.

-Max

Like what?

I think you essentially just proved his point.

I saw that he was whining about how people sucked. What else is new?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

Religion is only a means that can bring about the best, or the worst, in humanity. The common component in all that is evil, and all that is good, is humans, not religion.

The best in humanity? Reliance on another entity to drive us to good?

Know what this thread is showing so far?... It shows that people like you are too stupid to understand what the thread is about, and instead insist on jumping at any chance to bash religion regardless of the circumstances. And BTW in doing so, you exemplify the negative characteristics of the very thing you go out of your way to bash.

-Max

Like what?

Like the inability to accept that other people believe something different than you. And the aparantly uncontrollable need to press your beliefs regardless of whether such advances are desired or even remotely appropriate.

regardless if you two believe in religion or not. guess what you are fighting about?? yep, religion.

And you honestly believe that if there was no religion, humanity would suddenly be peaceful? You honestly believe that human beings wouldn't find another reason to murder, maime and rape each other?

no and no.

however, the bombing stated in this post would probably never have happened and also the arguement started in this conversation would never have happened.

just because there is less of something doesn't mean it will be replaced by something else.

take this for example.

say 100,000 (just a number picked for the sake of arguement) people are killed each year due to religion induced fights. Now, if religion didn't exist, those 100,000 would be alive. sure they would rob or kill each other for petty things, but it would not add up anywhere near to the original 100,000.

now, you also have to include the limitations religion has put on science over the years. if there was never any religion, you have to entertain the possibility that our civilization would be much much more advanced than it is today. leading to less crimes/pollution/ and many problems we currently deal with today would be resolved. sure, there would be new problems that would come up (like we could be dealing with the disposal of nuclear waste and running into limitations on where to put it), but we would not be dealing with religious whackos blowing people to bits.

You may want to look up the following words in a dictionary: logic, fallacy, assumption.

I'm not going to sit around here and attempt to counter everything you think may be correct, but suffice to say it seems like you just make up facts wishing them to be true.

Just to throw one thing out there, if it wasn't for religion we wouldn't have the current study of genetics (look up Mendel sometime).

However, it's all a moot point because like it or not religion and ideology is indeed a part of our history and who we are. To attempt to separate religion from who we are just to play dumb games of "What if?" is rather silly.

 

[Doboji]

Alright, what I was proselytizing for?

Your question game is so cute and ever so clever... you should be so proud.

You're not stupid... neither am I... so why play games? You know exactly what you were proselytizing for.

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

Amen

Ahhh and more idiots arrive to troll...

Not saying that it definitely IS, but if there is a terrorist event in India, it is most likely connected to religion.

 

[SampSon]

Either the Indian government did it in order to continue their hardline stance against an independent kashmir state.
Or the buildup of methane gas in the traincars from all the curry eating was ignited by a small electrical spark.

Though you shouldn't get so sad over things, life is too short to be miserable.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amol

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

Amen

Ahhh and more idiots arrive to troll...

Not saying that it definitely IS, but if there is a terrorist event in India, it is most likely connected to religion.

I'm sure it is connected to religion... but that doesn't mean religion is to blame... Religion is just an excuse the people who did this used to carry out this evil.

Religion is just one method for peope to group themselves. Ask yourself this question... did Hitler kill the jews because of religion? It is the grouping that leads to Humans killing each other. This propensity to group ourselves is our social nature... it is this natural tendency to group that leads us to kill each other... not religion.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Doboji

just because there is less of something doesn't mean it will be replaced by something else.

take this for example.

say 100,000 (just a number picked for the sake of arguement) people are killed each year due to religion induced fights. Now, if religion didn't exist, those 100,000 would be alive. sure they would rob or kill each other for petty things, but it would not add up anywhere near to the original 100,000.

now, you also have to include the limitations religion has put on science over the years. if there was never any religion, you have to entertain the possibility that our civilization would be much much more advanced than it is today. leading to less crimes/pollution/ and many problems we currently deal with today would be resolved. sure, there would be new problems that would come up (like we could be dealing with the disposal of nuclear waste and running into limitations on where to put it), but we would not be dealing with religious whackos blowing people to bits.

I can't even begin to address the ignorance in this utterly stupid argument.

go ahead and begin.

Religion has cost our civilization an incalculable amount of scientific advancement.

you are making the assumption that for every religion based crime, it will be replaced with one that is not religion based. that is a false assumption.

so please, go ahead and address the ignorance instead of just spouting insults, if you are capable.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli

Originally posted by: daveshel
Why? Religion.

Religion is only a means that can bring about the best, or the worst, in humanity. The common component in all that is evil, and all that is good, is humans, not religion.

The best in humanity? Reliance on another entity to drive us to good?

Know what this thread is showing so far?... It shows that people like you are too stupid to understand what the thread is about, and instead insist on jumping at any chance to bash religion regardless of the circumstances. And BTW in doing so, you exemplify the negative characteristics of the very thing you go out of your way to bash.

-Max

Like what?

Like the inability to accept that other people believe something different than you. And the aparantly uncontrollable need to press your beliefs regardless of whether such advances are desired or even remotely appropriate.

regardless if you two believe in religion or not. guess what you are fighting about?? yep, religion.

And you honestly believe that if there was no religion, humanity would suddenly be peaceful? You honestly believe that human beings wouldn't find another reason to murder, maime and rape each other?

no and no.

however, the bombing stated in this post would probably never have happened and also the arguement started in this conversation would never have happened.

just because there is less of something doesn't mean it will be replaced by something else.

take this for example.

say 100,000 (just a number picked for the sake of arguement) people are killed each year due to religion induced fights. Now, if religion didn't exist, those 100,000 would be alive. sure they would rob or kill each other for petty things, but it would not add up anywhere near to the original 100,000.

now, you also have to include the limitations religion has put on science over the years. if there was never any religion, you have to entertain the possibility that our civilization would be much much more advanced than it is today. leading to less crimes/pollution/ and many problems we currently deal with today would be resolved. sure, there would be new problems that would come up (like we could be dealing with the disposal of nuclear waste and running into limitations on where to put it), but we would not be dealing with religious whackos blowing people to bits.

You may want to look up the following words in a dictionary: logic, fallacy, assumption.

I'm not going to sit around here and attempt to counter everything you think may be correct, but suffice to say it seems like you just make up facts wishing them to be true.

Just to throw one thing out there, if it wasn't for religion we wouldn't have the current study of genetics (look up Mendel sometime).

However, it's all a moot point because like it or not religion and ideology is indeed a part of our history and who we are. To attempt to separate religion from who we are just to play dumb games of "What if?" is rather silly.

i think you missed the boat on the point. the point of the post was to clarify that the OP is assuming all religion based crimes will be committed on one level or another regardless if there is religion or not. That is a false assumption, it is not a 100% trade. I'd be surprised if it was even 10%.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Doboji

just because there is less of something doesn't mean it will be replaced by something else.

take this for example.

say 100,000 (just a number picked for the sake of arguement) people are killed each year due to religion induced fights. Now, if religion didn't exist, those 100,000 would be alive. sure they would rob or kill each other for petty things, but it would not add up anywhere near to the original 100,000.

now, you also have to include the limitations religion has put on science over the years. if there was never any religion, you have to entertain the possibility that our civilization would be much much more advanced than it is today. leading to less crimes/pollution/ and many problems we currently deal with today would be resolved. sure, there would be new problems that would come up (like we could be dealing with the disposal of nuclear waste and running into limitations on where to put it), but we would not be dealing with religious whackos blowing people to bits.

I can't even begin to address the ignorance in this utterly stupid argument.

go ahead and begin.

Religion has cost our civilization an incalculable amount of scientific advancement.

you are making the assumption that for every religion based crime, it will be replaced with one that is not religion based. that is a false assumption.

so please, go ahead and address the ignorance instead of just spouting insults, if you are capable.

It's somewhat ironic for you to tell somebody else they are making assumptions when you are far more guilty of them.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Doboji

just because there is less of something doesn't mean it will be replaced by something else.

take this for example.

say 100,000 (just a number picked for the sake of arguement) people are killed each year due to religion induced fights. Now, if religion didn't exist, those 100,000 would be alive. sure they would rob or kill each other for petty things, but it would not add up anywhere near to the original 100,000.

now, you also have to include the limitations religion has put on science over the years. if there was never any religion, you have to entertain the possibility that our civilization would be much much more advanced than it is today. leading to less crimes/pollution/ and many problems we currently deal with today would be resolved. sure, there would be new problems that would come up (like we could be dealing with the disposal of nuclear waste and running into limitations on where to put it), but we would not be dealing with religious whackos blowing people to bits.

I can't even begin to address the ignorance in this utterly stupid argument.

go ahead and begin.

Religion has cost our civilization an incalculable amount of scientific advancement.

you are making the assumption that for every religion based crime, it will be replaced with one that is not religion based. that is a false assumption.

so please, go ahead and address the ignorance instead of just spouting insults, if you are capable.

It's somewhat ironic for you to tell somebody else they are making assumptions when you are far more guilty of them.

However, some assumptions are right on base and some are waaay off. I can assume I will see daylight tomorrow. Is that an assumption I shouldn't make? I think it is a fare assumption, unless you can give me evidence why I will not see daylight tomorrow. Do you see my point? If not, I can clarify further.