Terrorism at home?

[Vadatajs]

How come the KKK, the religous fanatics that bomb abortion clinics, street gangs, and separatist millitias aren't treated with the same seriousness as terrorist groups abroad? It seems their potential is much greater than any abroad. Or are they protected under the 1st ammendment? It seems like the word terrorism is overused, and soon to lose its true meaning.

The fact that we're more worried about Iraqis than ourselves bugs me.

 

[HappyPuppy]

When is the last time an anti-abortion wacko or a KKK group flew three airplanes into three buildings, or are a threat of unleashing a WMD on the American public?

Just wondering.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
When is the last time an anti-abortion wacko or a KKK group flew three airplanes into three buildings, or are a threat of unleashing a WMD on the American public?

Just wondering.

Well one of our domestic wackos killed a couple hundred people in a Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Not quite as spectacular as 9/11, but it was just as horrific, and it was only one or two men. On a bodies-per-wacko basis, it was in the same league.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
How come the KKK, the religous fanatics that bomb abortion clinics, street gangs, and separatist millitias aren't treated with the same seriousness as terrorist groups abroad? It seems their potential is much greater than any abroad. Or are they protected under the 1st ammendment? It seems like the word terrorism is overused, and soon to lose its true meaning.

The fact that we're more worried about Iraqis than ourselves bugs me.

Because these group members and their sympathisers can vote.

 

[BaDaBooM]

Or to be more precise (as some are no doubt felons), they are US citizens. US citizens get more rights that some terrorist abroad.

 

[bolinger]

How come the KKK, the religous fanatics that bomb abortion clinics, street gangs, and separatist millitias aren't treated with the same seriousness as terrorist groups abroad?

You can't pass a military spending increase unless you're fighting enemies abroad.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: BaDaBooM
Or to be more precise (as some are no doubt felons), they are US citizens. US citizens get more rights that some terrorist abroad.

I don't know, Jose Padilla is a US citizen, and they had no problem locking him up indefinatly without constitutional protection. What ever happened to that guy anyway, does anyone even remember him? People in this country have as many rights at Ashcroft and company are willing to give them. Besides, the majority of this country and especially the people in power, are white and Christian. It is a lot easier to label an Arab Muslim a terrorist, even if they are US citizens, than someone who looks like you and claims to beleive in your same God.

In fact, this is interesting:
Prosecutors Will Appeal Ruling on Access to Counsel

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
When is the last time an anti-abortion wacko or a KKK group flew three airplanes into three buildings, or are a threat of unleashing a WMD on the American public?

Just wondering.

Yup.... them IRA folks ain't terrorists either by that definition... so tell the Britts to keep the heck outta my Ireland and free all those people being held or get them a pilots license...

 

[Fencer128]

Terrorist

"A person who enploys terror or terrorism, esp. as a political weapon"

Terrorism

1. "Systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal"
2. "The act of terrorizing"
3. "The state of being terrorized"

Terror

1. "great fear, panic, or dread"
2. "a person or thing that inspires great dread"
3. (informal) "a troublesome person or thing, esp. a child"

It's kind of an open definition don't you think? - which is why a find an ambiguous "war on terror" simultaneously both rather disturbing and pointless. Name your enemies and then justify their status. Otherwise, as seems to be the case, people will constantly question the morality and validity of your motives.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Vadatajs]

Terrorism

1. "Systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal"
2. "The act of terrorizing"
3. "The state of being terrorized"

Kind of like what bush is doing. Granted he's not directing the violence toward us, but he's still using it to scare americans into accepting things like the patriot act. I can't believe he's actually convinced people to hate france.


And how are the 2700+ deaths of 9/11 any more tragic than a little child who gets killed in a drive-by? Oh yeah, say the child is poor, that's how, right HappyPuppy? You're just a conservative cheerleader. If anybodies been sucking down the propaganda and asking for more, it's you. You overstate the importance of 9/11. My point is life goes on; we have other much more important problems to deal with.


It's time to stop using terrorism as an excuse to further alienate the US from the rest of the world, and as a distraction from the social problems at home.

 

[Fencer128]

Kind of like what bush is doing. Granted he's not directing the violence toward us, but he's still using it to scare americans into accepting things like the patriot act. I can't believe he's actually convinced people to hate france.

France is no innocent in this - however IMHO there is a very good government run anti-France PR campaign in the works. Take huge pinch of salt whenever someone has something "leaked" to them. Likewise when there is no evidence except for suspicion. Ask yourselves this - how much of the "sneakiness" of the French that you've read about has actually been proved to you? For instance a photocopied document between two companies, or an intercepted transmission printed in full? What of all the things that we have been told over the last few months have we actually seen the evidence for ourselves? How much is purely what we have been told either by the government or by mysterious intelligence sources/third parties?

23rd rule of politics. "If you can't beat them - discredit them"
24th rule of politics. "If you want people to believe something - constantly immerse them in it"

Andy

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Kind of like what bush is doing. Granted he's not directing the violence toward us, but he's still using it to scare americans into accepting things like the patriot act. I can't believe he's actually convinced people to hate france.

France is no innocent in this - however IMHO there is a very good government run anti-France PR campaign in the works. Take huge pinch of salt whenever someone has something "leaked" to them. Likewise when there is no evidence except for suspicion.

23rd rule of politics. "If you can't beat them - discredit them"

Andy

I know, it's sickening.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

-abraham lincoln

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

24th rule of politics. "If you want people to believe something - constantly immerse them in it"

Andy

LOL. That's why I believe in bullsh!t!

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Terrorism

1. "Systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal"
2. "The act of terrorizing"
3. "The state of being terrorized"

Kind of like what bush is doing. Granted he's not directing the violence toward us, but he's still using it to scare americans into accepting things like the patriot act. I can't believe he's actually convinced people to hate france.


And how are the 2700+ deaths of 9/11 any more tragic than a little child who gets killed in a drive-by? Oh yeah, say the child is poor, that's how, right HappyPuppy? You're just a conservative cheerleader. If anybodies been sucking down the propaganda and asking for more, it's you. You overstate the importance of 9/11. My point is life goes on; we have other much more important problems to deal with.


It's time to stop using terrorism as an excuse to further alienate the US from the rest of the world, and as a distraction from the social problems at home.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
- Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels

I assume the whole chickenhawk crew and their fellow armchair patriots has been reading classic Fascism.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
How come the KKK, the religous fanatics that bomb abortion clinics, street gangs, and separatist millitias aren't treated with the same seriousness as terrorist groups abroad? It seems their potential is much greater than any abroad. Or are they protected under the 1st ammendment? It seems like the word terrorism is overused, and soon to lose its true meaning.

The fact that we're more worried about Iraqis than ourselves bugs me.

Terrorist are apparently anyone Mr. Bush co chooses to call.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
How come the KKK, the religous fanatics that bomb abortion clinics, street gangs, and separatist millitias aren't treated with the same seriousness as terrorist groups abroad? It seems their potential is much greater than any abroad. Or are they protected under the 1st ammendment? It seems like the word terrorism is overused, and soon to lose its true meaning.

The fact that we're more worried about Iraqis than ourselves bugs me.

Terrorist are apparently anyone Mr. Bush co chooses to call.

That's your idea of justification???? Try again...

 

[cpumaster]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
- Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels

I assume the whole chickenhawk crew and their fellow armchair patriots has been reading classic Fascism.

majority of people don't want or like war because they know they're the one that have to actually fight and die in it and suffer through it,
yet war still happened because the great leader with strong vision who determine the policy, will the masses to it; of course it also help that they never are the one that do the fighting and dying and suffering, just some uncomfortable sleeples nights before the outcome is clear (ie see what happened to Saddam & Bush as compare to regular Iraqis and US soldiers )