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"Terra Nova" new Fox series by Steven Spielberg.

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joshsquall said:
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The governments of the present day and the past claim they aren't on the same "time stream" and can't go Back to the Future, but there have already been some clues that this might not be true. I think this is where people are getting caught up. The show has told you one thing, but some of the things that have happened are bringing that into question.
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Agree.

What we, the viewing audience, know at this point is what the new colonists have been told by leadership. Not real reason to believe that is 100% accurate. As is often the case, I'm guessing they are being told only what they need to know, or believe, to perform their function(s) there.

We already know there are deep secrets being kept. The Sixers have some other purpose, and the camp commander's son has left the camp and is apparently working to solve some math/physics problem which I'm guessing will reveal some 'truth' unknown to us at this time.

I'm one of those annoying types who brings up every inconsistency etc during the show. However, I'm willing to give it a few episodes to develop. Just better not be dragged out too long. I can't handle much more of the kid's attitude and whining etc.

Oh, and 20 million yrs til the meteor event didn't bother me after about 2 seconds. You've got a known 20 million yrs to develop a NASA program so why worry now?

Limited weapons didn't bother me much either. Ever thought for a moment that sociologists/psychiatrists might not have wanted to give the colonists WMD to possibly destroy each other, and instead just provide the minimum defenses necessary to protect against dinosaurs etc?

As to communicating forward to the present, obviously it is somehow possible otherwise the colonists could not have been told they'd be going back 85 million yrs. I missed the part of the show about the probe, but seems reasonable to assume it communicated with those in the present, otherwise it would have been useless. Without some capability to communicate forward they'd just be sending people to 'somewhere' unknown not knowing if they even survived etc.

BTW: the ore in the trunk was meteoric iron. While obviously of some value, the significance they seem to place on it strikes me as excessive given what we know at this point.

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Eli said:
Yes, it was. Though obviously how it looked in the show was an "artists conception".
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No, it happens. I seen it.

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sactoking said:
Except if its the same time stream, not only would everything they did in the past not have changed the "present", meaning it was doomed to failure, but the past actions were such a gigantic failure that no trace of their existence was ever found by anyone throughout the course of human history.
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Obviously the colony can't ultimately succeed and continue growing forever.

Maybe that's part of the plan. They either go back and do whatever the future government had planned then travel back to the future OR they all die. Let's say there was a human civilization of a couple hundred people 85 million years ago in a remote part of the world that may even be underwater now. These people left or died. I don't think it's a huge suspension of disbelief to accept that we could have missed that in modern day exploration. 85 million years is a long time for things to decay. Fossilized bone and organic matter is a lot more rare than most people think - it takes a very special set of circumstances to preserve anything for that long.
 
joshsquall said:
Obviously the colony can't ultimately succeed and continue growing forever.

Maybe that's part of the plan. They either go back and do whatever the future government had planned then travel back to the future OR they all die. Let's say there was a human civilization of a couple hundred people 85 million years ago in a remote part of the world that may even be underwater now. These people left or died. I don't think it's a huge suspension of disbelief to accept that we could have missed that in modern day exploration. 85 million years is a long time for things to decay. Fossilized bone and organic matter is a lot more rare than most people think - it takes a very special set of circumstances to preserve anything for that long.
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*dingdingding*

Seems to me that this is in fact the same timeline and that their mission failed and there was no trace of them.

And as others have said, 85million years is a really really long time. Even knowing that there will be a mass extinction in 20 million years is so far in the future planning for it so early on is incomprehensible. If humans still exist 20 million years later countless civilizations would have come and gone, and by then you'd think that we'd already have mastered space and a meteor would be no big deal.
 
joshsquall said:
Obviously the colony can't ultimately succeed and continue growing forever.

Maybe that's part of the plan. They either go back and do whatever the future government had planned then travel back to the future OR they all die. Let's say there was a human civilization of a couple hundred people 85 million years ago in a remote part of the world that may even be underwater now. These people left or died. I don't think it's a huge suspension of disbelief to accept that we could have missed that in modern day exploration. 85 million years is a long time for things to decay. Fossilized bone and organic matter is a lot more rare than most people think - it takes a very special set of circumstances to preserve anything for that long.
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But your theories are contradicting each other. If they leave no trace of themselves in the past, what could they possibly do to affect the the future? What could their mission be?
 
This show was on the National Geographic channel last night.

Did Rupert Merdoc purchase Nat Geo? Seems kinda strange for their typical programing. Guess its better then Rednecks and Rockets though.
 
IHateMyJob2004 said:
Communication could be dopne by putting notes (drawings) on the walls of caves. You don't actually have to go thruogh the rift to get data to the future. But this also means that some people coming throguh bring notes with them for those doing the communicating.
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The one part in the show which makes me think communicating in the future is possible is where Shannon and Taylor are talking on the cliff over looking the settlement. Taylor is asked if he has talked to anyone about the sixers and their real reason for being there and he says until he knows how who he can trust in the future he is going to keep quiet.
 
Kev said:
But your theories are contradicting each other. If they leave no trace of themselves in the past, what could they possibly do to affect the the future? What could their mission be?
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Who knows? I'm just coming up with possible future plot points that explain the issues that a lot of people had with the pilot. I think people get too wrapped up in trying to make logical sense of 1% of the total information instead of giving it time to develop. This is why you watch the show - to find out what the writers are trying to reveal (as slowly as possible). It's a drama/mystery serial TV show, so it's not guaranteed to make 100% sense all the time - they have to leave things that don't sit right or seem wrong so that you keep tuning in each week.
 
I watched the first one but will not watch it anymore till it reaches season 2 renewal status. Fox has a habit of cancelling scifi series and I hate getting into something to be left hanging.
 
I enjoyed the pilot. Not sure why people are bashing the CGI, I thought I was really good for a TV show.

All in all, it looks promising.
 
mcvickj said:
The one part in the show which makes me think communicating in the future is possible is where Shannon and Taylor are talking on the cliff over looking the settlement. Taylor is asked if he has talked to anyone about the sixers and their real reason for being there and he says until he knows how who he can trust in the future he is going to keep quiet.
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I remember that conversation as well. Whether through the rip in time or some other means, it did seem to hint that they have some type of communication with the future.
 
Series ends with the settlers/colony struggling to survive, with their success looking uncertain or unlikely. Then it cuts to present day (2149 + maybe a few years) with an advanced alien fleet arriving to rescue/relocate humans from the doomed earth.

Enough subtle hints are dropped that viewers realize that the alien race is actually the "evolved descendents" of the expeditions sent back millions of years. They became space faring and left earth for another system/galaxy before the asteroid hit, and eventually evolved to their present unrecognizable forms, but never forgot their original mission to "save the human race".

They wait till after the expeditions are sent back to reveal themselves because... LOLTIMETRAVELPARADOX.
 
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uhohs said:
Series ends with the settlers/colony struggling to survive, with their success looking uncertain or unlikely. Then it cuts to present day (2149 + maybe a few years) with an advanced alien fleet arriving to rescue/relocate humans from the doomed earth.

Enough subtle hints are dropped that viewers realize that the alien race is actually the "evolved descendents" of the expeditions sent back millions of years. They became space faring and left earth for another system/galaxy before the asteroid hit, and eventually evolved to their present unrecognizable forms, but never forgot their original mission to "save the human race".

They wait till after the expeditions are sent back to reveal themselves because... LOLTIMETRAVELPARADOX.
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Sounds plausible to me. We'll see how it plays out.
 
Shawn said:
Sounds plausible to me. We'll see how it plays out.
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Most realistic prediction of how it will play out: The show will really start getting good, we'll all totally get into it, then due to lackluster ratings, Fox will pull the plug and it will just abruptly end with no conclusion.
 
LOL - Just noticed that Obama's face is on the $1000 bill when the father is getting the cash money in the beginning.
 
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