Terminator Paradoxes

[JohnCU]

Taken from another forum...

Cyberdyne developed skynet, wich in turn caused a world nuclear war, thus killing off most of the enemie (humans). Cyberdyne acquired technology to develope cyberdyne, they did not invent it. The technology came from the first terminator in 1984, but that terminator came from the future, wich is skynet! What a friggen paradox.

That is true, it's confusing but if they hadn't of sent the Terminator back, then there would be no problems in the first place because then they wouldn't have had his chip to develop all the technology which led to Skynet.

 

[Rent]

Its a movie. Not real life. Ok?

 

[Chumpman]

hahaha

 

[Angrymarshmello]

You could nitpick the plot of any movie...like Rent said.....it's a frickin movie.

 

[Kaervak]

Haven't seen T3 yet, so unless the date of judgement day has been changed, the timeline of events has been all screwed up. I really gotta go see T3, the timeline thing is bugging the hell out of me.

 

[Luagsch]

@JohnCU: ok... shouldn't you have posted that in the other forum?

(and i think it's an action movie with the only reason of entertaining and making cash... it succeeds doing both, so just enjoy it )

 

[JohnCU]

Just trying to start an interesting convo about the movie... I didn't ask for criticism.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

for the people just now coming up with these "revelations", WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN THE LAST 20 YEARS?

 

[josphII]

what happens if they hadnt send the first terminator back is explained in Terminator 1

 

[Wallydraigle]

It's a well known time-travel paradox, sometimes called the free lunch paradox. What would happen if you went back in time and gave Mozart the score for all of his most famous works? If you give them to him, he never came up with them, and if he never came up with them, how could you have them to give to him? Mozart's greatest works would seemingly come from nowhere. The paradox is solved by divergent timelines and quantum many-worlds. In other words, the world you left, in which Mozart actually did create his own music continues to exist and progress normally, but you create another timeline when you give Mozart the music. According to some theories anytime there is more than one possible outcome in a scenario, then a new timeline is created anyway, so it's not that big a deal.

 

[Kelvrick]

The government originally invented Skynet. But when Cyberdyne got the original terminator, then they developed the technology before the government.

I came up with htis right now, so why arey ou people confused. God damn, people are stupid.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: lirion
It's a well known time-travel paradox, sometimes called the free lunch paradox. What would happen if you went back in time and gave Mozart the score for all of his most famous works? If you give them to him, he never came up with them, and if he never came up with them, how could you have them to give to him? Mozart's greatest works would seemingly come from nowhere. The paradox is solved by divergent timelines and quantum many-worlds. In other words, the world you left, in which Mozart actually did create his own music continues to exist and progress normally, but you create another timeline when you give Mozart the music. According to some theories anytime there is more than one possible outcome in a scenario, then a new timeline is created anyway, so it's not that big a deal.

Yep, and further the only timeline forbidden to enter would be your own. This allows you to go back and kill an ancestor, but not create that famous paradox. Not that you would want to

 

[Wallydraigle]

Think about this one. In the TNG episode Time's Arrow, Mark Twain left his watch beneath San Francisco and 500 years later the archaeologists found it. The crew gives it back to Mark Twain when he travels to the Enterprise. The watch is 500 years old at this point. At the end of the episode Twain puts the watch back in the tunnel where it had been found 500 years in the future. In another 500 years when the archaeologists find the watch it will be 1000 years old, and so on, and on. From the POV of the watch it would age at a normal rate, but what would it look like for someone else?

 

[fizmeister]

Originally posted by: Kaervak
Haven't seen T3 yet, so unless the date of judgement day has been changed, the timeline of events has been all screwed up. I really gotta go see T3, the timeline thing is bugging the hell out of me.

*SPOILER*

Bingo. It's been pushed back, according to the new movie.

 

[Emveach]

Originally posted by: lirion
Think about this one. In the TNG episode Time's Arrow, Mark Twain left his watch beneath San Francisco and 500 years later the archaeologists found it. The crew gives it back to Mark Twain when he travels to the Enterprise. The watch is 500 years old at this point. At the end of the episode Twain puts the watch back in the tunnel where it had been found 500 years in the future. In another 500 years when the archaeologists find the watch it will be 1000 years old, and so on, and on. From the POV of the watch it would age at a normal rate, but what would it look like for someone else?

In that same episode, if you think about it, they reattached Data's head from the cave. So he's walking around with a very old head the rest of the series.

As for Terminator....since the guy that went back to stop the killing of John Conner's mom. became Johns father, its weird to think that if the machines had never tried to kill her in the first place, he wouldn't have been born, since they wouldn't have had a reason to send the first guy back to stop it.

So....why did they send a Terminator back in the first place?????

 

[LordJezo]

Didn't the 3rd movie say that Skynet was all just software meaning the other movies were wrong?

 

[ReiAyanami]

that would imply skynet could be the matrix! :Q

terminator vs neo

 

[zCypher]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
that would imply skynet could be the matrix! :Q

terminator vs neo

lol! Terminator all the way..

 

[Mallow]

They never said that everything happened on the same timeline. Having the terminator parts only sped up the development of skynet. Originally it could have taken much much longer to have invented skynet.

Don't you see... it has all been inevetable the entire time!

 

[coolred]

LOL, I just got back from the movie. You might as well all stop arguing, its a movie, there is no correct answer. Even if you go with the multiple time lines thing. There has to be one original timeline, at the beginning of everything, and in that timeline John would never have been born since Kyle could not have been sent back before then. But i don't want to try to understand time and the way it travels, so i will leave that to the scientists that make the big bucks.

Personally I don't think there are differant timelines. I think there is the present, the past exsists only in our memories and the future exsists only in our imagination.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: LordJezo
Didn't the 3rd movie say that Skynet was all just software meaning the other movies were wrong?

You could also interpret what John said at the end to mean that Skynet didn't become self-aware until it inhabited a computer system; however, the technology which produced the Skynet program/AI was done on particular hardware that became unnecessary later on.

 

[BeauJangles]

I think that the discovery of the Terminator's body parts sped up the development of Skynet. There is nothing, however, that can stop judgement day, ie nomatter what humans do, SKynet will be developed.

 

[Mavrick]

Cyberdyne developed skynet, wich in turn caused a world nuclear war, thus killing off most of the enemie (humans). Cyberdyne acquired technology to develope cyberdyne, they did not invent it. The technology came from the first terminator in 1984, but that terminator came from the future, wich is skynet! What a friggen paradox.

That's the whole point of the movie!!! I thought that thins movie was pure genius. Remember at the beginning, the guy shows Sarah Connor a picture of herself that he got from John in the future. The pic eventually get lost, and at the end, a little boy takes a picture of Sarah and offers to sell it to her. She refuses, but then look at it, and see that it's the same picture. So she buys it and keep it to give to her son!!

The whole movie is about fact that the future is written, and it is impossible, by our action, to modify its course. I was a little sad that this aspect got a little forgotten in T3

 

[Rufio]

my brain hurts

 

[LordJezo]

So then if they "pushed it back" why couldnt they just go on and keep pushing it back indefinatly so judgement day would then never happen, well, it would, but it would be pushed back for an inifnite amount of time as to it would never really effect anyone in the "present"

Stupid movie.