Now, now. Try not to act so superior to someone who obviously still suffers from the affects of all that white-out he sniffed.
To all widescreen fans: imho you are all wrong here.
The above referenced site says that T2 is a rare exception in the sence that it was actually _shot_ in the full-screen format, and the widescreen theatrical version is the one that misses a large part of the picture ...
The above referenced site says that T2 is a rare exception in the sence that it was actually _shot_ in the full-screen format, and the widescreen theatrical version is the one that misses a large part of the picture ...
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<< This deal is OK if you are a casual viewer, but no real T2 fan will want this copy of the disc. The Ultimate Edition is far better; you get the director's cut (with scenes not included on the basic disc), a DTS soundtrack, and tons of extras. Buyer beware. >>
True. If you're a true T2 fan you gotta splurge the extra $ and get the ultimate edition.
Back from the BB at Park Meadows Mall here in CO. Picked up my T2 at about 3pm MST and only 3 were left.
<< To all widescreen fans: imho you are all wrong here.
The above referenced site says that T2 is a rare exception in the sence that it was actually _shot_ in the full-screen format, and the widescreen theatrical version is the one that misses a large part of the picture ... >>
was it? i didn't read about that...well, get T2 on fullscreen then...the majority of filmakers shoot their movies widescreen...if you want a mangled version of the movie, go with the Full Screen...
for some direct examples, check this out...taken from the widescreen org site
Widescreen vs. Full Screen examples
From the site:
Why are so many DVDs widescreen-only?
The simple, direct, and factual reason is that the filmmakers have complained for decades about how pan-and-scan destroys their movies. They know that people who support pan-and-scan are actively insulting the filmmakers. Some directors have even filed lawsuits to prevent their movies from being subjected to the pan-and-scan process.
Filmmakers do have some say over their material. Their movies are not completely owned by the studios. As such, the filmmakers realize that the vast majority of DVD owners are movie afficionados who want to see movies in as close to a theatrical setting as possible. Widescreen provides that because the entire image is preserved, just like the filmmakers wanted the movie to be seen.
They know that VHS releases will always be pan-and-scan. That is simply the de facto standard, and chaos could erupt if VHS became widescreen-only; however, because filmmakers know that most DVD owners actually show respect for filmmakers by prefering widescreen, the filmmakers release their DVDs only in widescreen and leave pan-and-scan to VHS. Most filmmakers also take the space on the DVD that would be taken up by a pan-and-scan version and pack it with extras, like trailers and "behind the scenes" footage.
The point: Terminator 2 was shot in super 35, meaning that it's filmed aspect ratio is closer to that of "fullscreen" than "widescreen". However, the directors intent was to show the film in widescreen.
Super 35 2.35:1 - also known as SuperScope 235, this uses modified 35mm film to produce a slightly wider image, with the director framing for a 2.35:1 image within the Super 35 frame. This is done to take advantage of the fine quality of Super 35 lenses without dealing with the distortion inherent in anamorphic lenses while still achieving the intended widescreen aspect ratio. Examples: Titanic, The Abyss, Terminator 2.
Not to mention, that the full screen version is most likely pan and scanned from the framed super 35 rather than just transfering the full film image (assuming it wasn't blocked off in the camera lens to begin with). Odds are rigging, lights, microphones, etc. would be visible since the upper/lower portions of the film were NEVER INTENDED TO BE SEEN.
The argument in a nutshell:
Fullscreen pan and scan versions are for people who have no real idea what they are missing and/or don't really care about the artistic intentions of the work. These people are easily entertained by moving pictures in whatever form they may be, and are mostly likely also distracted to the point of near paralysis by shiny objects and "purdy girls". If they are happy with fullscreen, than TBS is for them. Try watching a fullscreen "A league of Their Own" or "A Few Good Men" and the artificial pans and scans should be apparent. I wonder if these same people insist that the beautiful simplicity of 2-channel stereo is vastly superior to the complicated and expensive 6.1 surround reproduction.
In short, people who insist on films being shown in, not just widescreen (snow white is a classic filmed in "fullscreen"), but any other aspect ratio than what the director intends, not to mention adding artificial camera movement, are no better than bookburners. I do not insist that The Simpsons be filmed in widescreen, but if HBO ever shows The Sopranos in fullscreen again, I'm going to shoot someone.
Preserve the Artist's Intentions!!
Super 35 2.35:1 - also known as SuperScope 235, this uses modified 35mm film to produce a slightly wider image, with the director framing for a 2.35:1 image within the Super 35 frame. This is done to take advantage of the fine quality of Super 35 lenses without dealing with the distortion inherent in anamorphic lenses while still achieving the intended widescreen aspect ratio. Examples: Titanic, The Abyss, Terminator 2.
Not to mention, that the full screen version is most likely pan and scanned from the framed super 35 rather than just transfering the full film image (assuming it wasn't blocked off in the camera lens to begin with). Odds are rigging, lights, microphones, etc. would be visible since the upper/lower portions of the film were NEVER INTENDED TO BE SEEN.
The argument in a nutshell:
Fullscreen pan and scan versions are for people who have no real idea what they are missing and/or don't really care about the artistic intentions of the work. These people are easily entertained by moving pictures in whatever form they may be, and are mostly likely also distracted to the point of near paralysis by shiny objects and "purdy girls". If they are happy with fullscreen, than TBS is for them. Try watching a fullscreen "A league of Their Own" or "A Few Good Men" and the artificial pans and scans should be apparent. I wonder if these same people insist that the beautiful simplicity of 2-channel stereo is vastly superior to the complicated and expensive 6.1 surround reproduction.
In short, people who insist on films being shown in, not just widescreen (snow white is a classic filmed in "fullscreen"), but any other aspect ratio than what the director intends, not to mention adding artificial camera movement, are no better than bookburners. I do not insist that The Simpsons be filmed in widescreen, but if HBO ever shows The Sopranos in fullscreen again, I'm going to shoot someone.
Preserve the Artist's Intentions!!
When I went to Best Buy to pick up the Terminator 2 dvd, they were all out of the $5 ones, so the manager gave us the Ultimate Edition one. This is the one with 2 dvd's and a silver cardboard cover that is normally $20. It has both the Theatrical Version and the Special Edition Version on it as well as a behind the scene's dvd. She substitued this one for $5! 
This is at the Best Buy in Milpitas, so maybe you could PM this location from other locations. Good luck and keep me updated. I can take a pic of my receipt if you want also.
This is at the Best Buy in Milpitas, so maybe you could PM this location from other locations. Good luck and keep me updated. I can take a pic of my receipt if you want also.
brunell8
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I got mine, and yes, there were a few ebay buyers grabbing 20 at a time. I don't figure that supply lasted more than 45 minutes.
Plenty left in stock at 4:30/5:00pm today at the US98N Best Buy in Lakeland if anybody is interested
I picked one up as u may guess
I picked one up as u may guess
Picked up the Ultimate Edition @ WalMart for $4.50
(pricematch & 10% of matched price)
Some WalMarts will PM and do the 10%, others won't.
(pricematch & 10% of matched price)
Some WalMarts will PM and do the 10%, others won't.
wait, so you tricked walmart into giving you the ultimate edition instead of regular during pricematch? they don't call the other store?
hey lukfilm maybe you like looking at black bars and loosing half your picture.if i wanted that i would buy a 2 foot high by 4 foot wide tv or just go to the movies.
*groan*. never thought about what happens when you enlarge a rectangle to fit a square eh? sides go bye bye. you don't lose resolution because many dvds are animorphic, espeically if you have a nice tv that can pull that compression stuff.
hey lukfilm maybe you like looking at black bars and loosing half your picture.if i wanted that i would buy a 2 foot high by 4 foot wide tv or just go to the movies.
*groan*. never thought about what happens when you enlarge a rectangle to fit a square eh? sides go bye bye. you don't lose resolution because many dvds are animorphic, espeically if you have a nice tv that can pull that compression stuff.
Has anyone been to the Pasadena, CA store? Is this still available? I just want one.
Hate those egays always trying to turn a buck. Wish BB would limit deals like this.
Hate those egays always trying to turn a buck. Wish BB would limit deals like this.
just got one off ebay with buy it now. 16.50 shipped. ultimate edition factory sealed.
good luck!
good luck!
<< When I went to Best Buy to pick up the Terminator 2 dvd, they were all out of the $5 ones, so the manager gave us the Ultimate Edition one. This is the one with 2 dvd's and a silver cardboard cover that is normally $20. It has both the Theatrical Version and the Special Edition Version on it as well as a behind the scene's dvd. She substitued this one for $5!
This is at the Best Buy in Milpitas, so maybe you could PM this location from other locations. Good luck and keep me updated. I can take a pic of my receipt if you want also. >>On another forum I go to some people were saying that BB corporate has approved the stores to sell the UE if the regular version sells out, so you might want to wait a few days and go see if they'll give you the UE for $5.
Also, I own the UE and it has a special feature that shows how P&S cuts up scenes in the movie and why widescreen is better.
I agree with a few, and disagree with a few.
One, someone earlier said that anyone who watches a DVD is most likely a film buff, and would want to abide by the artist wishes. This IMHO is not true anymore. Maybe a few years back when DVD players were much more expensive, not not nowadays. Everyone has one. It's almost like VHS now.
And, I'll say that when I was watching my DVD on an old 19", pan and scan was the greatest. You couldn't see anything without it. It acted as a magnifying glass for the small TV.
Now, I also realize that DVD was not meant for the 19", and that a movie MUST be watched in widescreen on just about any TV larger than this. One would just be destroying the movie.
One, someone earlier said that anyone who watches a DVD is most likely a film buff, and would want to abide by the artist wishes. This IMHO is not true anymore. Maybe a few years back when DVD players were much more expensive, not not nowadays. Everyone has one. It's almost like VHS now.
And, I'll say that when I was watching my DVD on an old 19", pan and scan was the greatest. You couldn't see anything without it. It acted as a magnifying glass for the small TV.
Now, I also realize that DVD was not meant for the 19", and that a movie MUST be watched in widescreen on just about any TV larger than this. One would just be destroying the movie.
Went to BB and saw only Ultimate Edition left. Took one to the Customer Service and they told me that they are not substituting. Anybody else confirm this.
Went to Best Buy Warwick RI today...all sold out no subs.
As the gingerbreadman said to the king, "eat me".
Bluz
As the gingerbreadman said to the king, "eat me".
Bluz
Was at Best Buy in Oceanside, Ca they had at least 30 copies. The regular price was 7.** not too bad either.
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