Tenet's book discusses links between Iraq and al Qaida

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn
Before you go off the deep end with your comments please remember that Tenet was appointed by Clinton and is NOT a neo-conservative.

It doesn't matter who appointed him. Under THIS adminstration, he's either a self serving liar, another Bushwhacko traitor, or both.

PJ -- I don't care how many times you repeat the same lies, or how many adminstration liars you quote, they're still the same lies. Joseph Goebbels was wrong. Repeating the Big Lie often enough does NOT make it true.

Aren't you tired of the Bushwhackos' lies, yet? Haven't enough Americans died for those lies to give you the faintest clue that you're beating a dead horse? :roll:

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Funny how the CIA and the Admin knew about the Al Qaeda camps in northern Iraq all along, but did nothing to damage them between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq.... nor would they allow Saddam to take action, either...

Apparently, it's more important to have a terrorist boogeyman than to destroy him-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

I thought we were in a world war against terrorism? Why haven't we attacked Hezbollah? The people that killed all of our marines.

Well you know, when you're bogged down in a stupid occupation that has resulted in a civil war in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, your options are limited.

 

[First]

The link was in Northern Iraq, where Saddam had absolutely no power/control over, and MI6 and CIA have both been unable to this day to substantiate any serious link whatsoever before 2003. Tenet's comments do nothing to change any of that information.

Nice attempt though. Almost an intelligent argument, but all you did was tear down a strawman that doesn't exist.

 

[db]

PJ, do you work for the US Gov't? Do you receive any compensation on behalf of or for doing work for the US Gov't? Are you a "contractor" for the US Gov't?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ayabe
Because they aren't verifiable, see Tony Snow a day ago. Don't try to compare this with Bush's dereliction of duty on the PDB, you are dissembling again. The definitive narrative on this is that there was no cooperation between Saddam and AQ, period.

Where can I find this 'definitive narrative'? Is it in a book some place? Who wrote it? Who declared it 'definitive'?

You are wasting your time. These people are anti-Bush and anti-War. They love socialists and dictators.

There were plenty of ingredients found but no chemical weapon smoking gun so they try to completely invalidate everything.

Also...most people don't realize that it doesnt take much to create a lot of damage.

Exactly wrong. To attack people as loving "socialists and dictators" because they don't worship at your Bush altar is the epitome of ignorant childishness. It is as devoid of substance as your average Cheney speech; no coincidence since they're both mindless partisan propaganda points, dredged from the same Rovian slime-pool.

Further, most of us are not anti-war per se, we're anti unwarranted wars of agression. We're opposed to slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent people for lies. I fully supported going into Afghanistan, and was horrified when your hero dropped the ball in the fight against al Qaeda and diverted into Iraq.

Re. your WMD claim, also wrong. We did NOT find "plenty of ingredients". We found a handful of old, deteriorated shells left over from the 80's or 90's. We found a couple of components from ONE old lab centrifuge, buried in his back yard by ONE scientist (a centrifuge, by the way, that was not in any way suitable for production use). We did NOT find anything supporting the BushCo allegations of "thousands of liters" or "massive stockpiles" or "reconstituted" nuclear weapons program. All lies, crafted from grossly exaggerating cherry-picked intel, much of it based on the claims of one sole Iraqi defector that our intel experts warned was unreliable.

Re. PJ's comment, it's an empty diversion that can safely be ignored. Ayabe is obviously correct. It has been widely and repeatedly corroborated that there was no material cooperation between Iraq and al Qaeda. The continuing innuendo to the contrary is part of an ongoing anti-Iraq slander campaign launched when BushCo decided the time was ripe to attack Iraq.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

You are wasting your time. These people are anti-Bush and anti-War.

You act like that's a bad thing. Frankly I believe not suffering an incompetent President and not supporting the biggest err with regards to our foriegn policy in the history of our country is the correct stance.

 

[palehorse]

Do each of you dismiss ALL of Tenet's comments as quickly and easily as you dismiss those in the OP? Just curious...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Do each of you dismiss ALL of Tenet's comments as quickly and easily as you dismiss those in the OP? Just curious...

Seems they do.

I saw Tenet on TV last night. He made a pretty compelling case for an Iraq -AQ connection.

Listening to Tenet and re-reading some materail back in '02 & '03 I'm thinking it was a good idea to go into Iraq. And likely wouldv'e happened sooner or later anyway given the behavior of Saddam.

Just wish it couldv'e been executed better. But I'm not surprised, the old saying is that the military is always fighting the last war. They'll come out of this better trained and having developed better tactics etc for any furture conflicts in that region.

I wish we would have to the will to stay and finish it. But the media is against it and their constant anti-war droning has gotten the American people to flip-flop like John Kerry.

And for the last fews years the two politial parties have been using it (the "war") more as a political tool to beat each other than as a serious matter.

Half-finished wars are a dangerous business.

Would be good to finish this up properely; it would be invaluable to have an Arab ally situated between Iran & Syria given recent developments.

Fern

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Do each of you dismiss ALL of Tenet's comments as quickly and easily as you dismiss those in the OP? Just curious...

Seems they do.

I saw Tenet on TV last night. He made a pretty compelling case for an Iraq -AQ connection.

Listening to Tenet and re-reading some materail back in '02 & '03 I'm thinking it was a good idea to go into Iraq. And likely wouldv'e happened sooner or later anyway given the behavior of Saddam.

Just wish it couldv'e been executed better. But I'm not surprised, the old saying is that the military is always fighting the last war. They'll come out of this better trained and having developed better tactics etc for any furture conflicts in that region.

I wish we would have to the will to stay and finish it. But the media is against it and their constant anti-war droning has gotten the American people to flip-flop like John Kerry.

And for the last fews years the two politial parties have been using it (the "war") more as a political tool to beat each other than as a serious matter.

Half-finished wars are a dangerous business.

Would be good to finish this up properely; it would be invaluable to have an Arab ally situated between Iran & Syria given recent developments.

Fern

If you haven't had the chance, pick up Michael Scheuer's Imperial Hubris for some great thoughts on "half-finished wars." He hits the proverbial nail pretty damn hard...

 

[XMan]

George Tenet must have pictures of somebody with a monkey.

The East Africa embassy bomings were on his watch.

Bad intel led to the bombing of al-Shifa in Sudan, a pharmaceutical plant.

The USS Cole bombing.

And, of course, 9/11.

He should have been fired in '98, much less gotten a medal.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: XMan
George Tenet must have pictures of somebody with a monkey.

The East Africa embassy bomings were on his watch.

Bad intel led to the bombing of al-Shifa in Sudan, a pharmaceutical plant.

The USS Cole bombing.

And, of course, 9/11.

He should have been fired in '98, much less gotten a medal.

Don't forget the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in May of '99.

Bwuhahaha :laugh: What a f'up.

To understand why China is not satisfied with the CIA's belated punishment of seven employees responsible for the accidental bombing last May of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, Americans need only view things from Beijing's perspective.

In firing one agent and chastizing six others, the CIA explained that agency target-selectors were working with a year-old unclassified military map.

the agency operatives guessed that the street where the site was supposed to be would have the same building numbers as a parallel street whose numbers were on the map

The Chinese find such incompetence in the world's greatest military and technological power implausible. They point out that their Belgrade embassy had been at its current location for four years and in that time officials from the American embassy in Belgrade attended several diplomatic receptions there. Making a reasonable supposition, the Chinese believe that a certain number of CIA officials were among the US diplomats taking cocktails at China's embassy in Belgrade

Fern

LINK

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: XMan
George Tenet must have pictures of somebody with a monkey.

The East Africa embassy bomings were on his watch.

Bad intel led to the bombing of al-Shifa in Sudan, a pharmaceutical plant.

The USS Cole bombing.

And, of course, 9/11.

He should have been fired in '98, much less gotten a medal.

"Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." ring a bell? Dub missed it, not Tenet.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Do each of you dismiss ALL of Tenet's comments as quickly and easily as you dismiss those in the OP? Just curious...

Seems they do.

I saw Tenet on TV last night. He made a pretty compelling case for an Iraq -AQ connection.

Listening to Tenet and re-reading some materail back in '02 & '03 I'm thinking it was a good idea to go into Iraq. And likely wouldv'e happened sooner or later anyway given the behavior of Saddam.

Just wish it couldv'e been executed better. But I'm not surprised, the old saying is that the military is always fighting the last war. They'll come out of this better trained and having developed better tactics etc for any furture conflicts in that region.

I wish we would have to the will to stay and finish it. But the media is against it and their constant anti-war droning has gotten the American people to flip-flop like John Kerry.

And for the last fews years the two politial parties have been using it (the "war") more as a political tool to beat each other than as a serious matter.

Half-finished wars are a dangerous business.

Would be good to finish this up properely; it would be invaluable to have an Arab ally situated between Iran & Syria given recent developments.

Fern

There has always been an IRQ - AQ link. What is missing from our MOVEON.org friends thinking is that there is and was never any direct link between 9-11 and AQ in Iraq. The argument that was made at the time was that since AQ had sanctuary in Iraq, that was one of many other reasons to go to war. The fear of a safe haven in a known enemies country could in the future be the base for an attack similar to 9-11. Hence the preemptive nature of the war.

At the time, there was overwhleming support for the war. And unlike many here, I think the elections of November 2006 were NOT a call to withdraw, but a reaction to this administrations incompetence in the aftermath and a call for a new plan for WINNING.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dphantom
And unlike many here, I think the elections of November 2006 were NOT a call to withdraw, but a reaction to this administrations incompetence in the aftermath and a call for a new plan for WINNING.

I agree, but I am fairly confident that very few others here at P&N will agree with you. They just want the ugliness gone from their TV news every evening... All of their cries for withdrawal are nothing more than their desire to "return to normal" - whatever that is. They want the ugliness out of sight and out of mind, nothing more...

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: XMan
George Tenet must have pictures of somebody with a monkey.

The East Africa embassy bomings were on his watch.

Bad intel led to the bombing of al-Shifa in Sudan, a pharmaceutical plant.

The USS Cole bombing.

And, of course, 9/11.

He should have been fired in '98, much less gotten a medal.

Don't forget the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in May of '99.

Bwuhahaha :laugh: What a f'up.

Fern

LINK

There is a tin foil theory out there that the pieces of the F-117 that was shot down were transferred to Chinese control and were being housed in the embassy basement and thus it was not an accident but completely intentional to prevent Chinese access to the technology.

Sounds entirely plausible to me, though we will probably never know as I don't see the Chinese or the US ever admitting to this level of shenanigans.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
The link was in Northern Iraq, where Saddam had absolutely no power/control over, and MI6 and CIA have both been unable to this day to substantiate any serious link whatsoever before 2003. Tenet's comments do nothing to change any of that information.

Nice attempt though. Almost an intelligent argument, but all you did was tear down a strawman that doesn't exist.

Basically there was more of a connection between the Kurds and Al Qaeda then Saddam and the Al Qaeda. Being that Saddam had no power in the Kurdish Northern sections of Iraq.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dphantom
And unlike many here, I think the elections of November 2006 were NOT a call to withdraw, but a reaction to this administrations incompetence in the aftermath and a call for a new plan for WINNING.

I agree, but I am fairly confident that very few others here at P&N will agree with you. They just want the ugliness gone from their TV news every evening... All of their cries for withdrawal are nothing more than their desire to "return to normal" - whatever that is. They want the ugliness out of sight and out of mind, nothing more...

Well you go get'em tiger.