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He's not called 'McOwned' for nothing, you know.

Every worker at McDonald's should earn as much as an executive chef at one of Gordon Ramsey's restaurants. Every shelf-stocker at Wally-world deserves to make as much as a civil engineer. Every janitor at a hospital deserves to make as much as the cardiovascular surgeon. Welcome to Dave's dream world.

But is that really what McCowan is saying? Can you provide a quote of his saying or suggesting that? Or is it easier to mischaracterize what he says to the extreme so as to avoid the actual content?
 
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Idiots believe in "the" wealth, IE: it's a finite thing. It's kind of like believing in "the" fire. So if your neighbor has more of "the" fire than you, that's unfair. You need to elect a bureaucracy to invade his home, steal some of his fire, and give it to you, therefore more equally distributing "the" fire.

So, are you saying that we live in a magical infinite world of infinite resources? Are you saying that we live in a world with infinite amounts of land and fresh water? With infinite lumber, arable land, petroleum, natural gas, and other natural resources?
 

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But is that really what McCowan is saying? Can you provide a quote of his saying or suggesting that? Or is it easier to mischaracterize what he says to the extreme so as to avoid the actual content?

McOwned doesn't say ANYTHING of substance so his guess is as good as any as to what Dave means. Can you link a post of substance from Dave? All of Dave's posts boil down to:

"Blah blah blah...RICH REPUBLICANS...blah blah blah....RICH REPUBLICANS...blah blah blah."

Dave is nothing more than someone who has repeatedly failed at life and uses the Republicans as scapegoats for his own incompetence. At this point, the big difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans don't try to hide their allegiance to their corporate overlords, while Democrats lie, divert, and pretend they have no such allegiances when in fact, they're just as loyal to Wall Street as the Republicans.
 
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boomerang

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So, are you saying that we live in a magical infinite world of infinite resources? Are you saying that we live in a world with infinite amounts of land and fresh water? With infinite lumber, arable land, petroleum, natural gas, and other natural resources?
Ah, so you're a victim of the The Socialist Phobia of Scarcity. No surprise there. Shrug off that which you were taught and set yourself free. At the very least, quit projecting your fears on the rest of us. They are your fears and the rest of don't need to take action to help you cope.

Part of socialist angst may be due to class envy, but I believe most of it is based on the phobia of scarcity.

If you are a socialist, chances are you believe that there is only a limited amount of wealth in the world. People are impoverished only because rich capitalists are hoarding it.

You probably also believe that global natural resources are scarce, the world's water supply is drying up, and irreplaceable species are becoming extinct.

This irrational fear of scarcity is what drives the socialist advocacy for abortion of the unborn and euthanasia of the aged and infirm.
 

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Ah, so you're a victim of the The Socialist Phobia of Scarcity. No surprise there. Shrug off that which you were taught and set yourself free. At the very least, quit projecting your fears on the rest of us. They are your fears and the rest of don't need to take action to help you cope.


That's a load of BS, linking scarcity to socialism.

What is the clearest example of fear linked to scarcity, today ? The fear of immigrants. One of the fears the right wing establishment uses to win elections.
 

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That's a load of BS, linking scarcity to socialism.

What is the clearest example of fear linked to scarcity, today ? The fear of immigrants. One of the fears the right wing establishment uses to win elections.

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So, are you saying that we live in a magical infinite world of infinite resources? Are you saying that we live in a world with infinite amounts of land and fresh water? With infinite lumber, arable land, petroleum, natural gas, and other natural resources?

But is that really what Zaap is saying? Can you provide a quote of his saying or suggesting that? Or is it easier to mischaracterize what he says to the extreme so as to avoid the actual content?
 

boomerang

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That's a load of BS, linking scarcity to socialism.

What is the clearest example of fear linked to scarcity, today ? The fear of immigrants. One of the fears the right wing establishment uses to win elections.
Didn't read the article did you? I can tell.
 

Tom

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Didn't read the article did you? I can tell.

Uh, yes I did. That's why I said it's BS.

His premise is BS. His conclusions are BS.

Socialism has nothing to do with believing in scarcity, a finite amount of wealth, or abortion. And its not anti-free market either.

And capitalism has nothing to do with not believing in scarcity, an infinite amount of wealth, being anti-abortion.

He's just using a scare word to label people he disagrees with. Has nothing to do with what the word socialism means.

The real arguments against socialism are the lack of incentives for innovation and efficiency that capitalism, including the right to own property, has by its nature. And the restriction of individual freedom and liberty.
 
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So, are you saying that we live in a magical infinite world of infinite resources? Are you saying that we live in a world with infinite amounts of land and fresh water? With infinite lumber, arable land, petroleum, natural gas, and other natural resources?
I'm saying you have VERY limited reading comprehension.

Another trait that doesn't exactly lend itself to wealth creation.
 
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But is that really what Zaap is saying? Can you provide a quote of his saying or suggesting that? Or is it easier to mischaracterize what he says to the extreme so as to avoid the actual content?

If you read his post and then my post, it should be pretty obvious that I wasn't mischaracterizing the implications of what he said.
 
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I'm saying you have VERY limited reading comprehension.

Another trait that doesn't exactly lend itself to wealth creation.

You said:
Idiots believe in "the" wealth, IE: it's a finite thing. It's kind of like believing in "the" fire. So if your neighbor has more of "the" fire than you, that's unfair. You need to elect a bureaucracy to invade his home, steal some of his fire, and give it to you, therefore more equally distributing "the" fire.

And then I challenged you on it. Those resources that I mentioned are crucial, essential components of wealth. In reality, those resources only exist in finite, limited quantities (until we attain a warp drive capability).
 
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