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Ten Commandments and Bill O'Reilly

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His famous, "I'll give you the last word" is misleading as well. He knows that this makes him look like he is actually giving the person the last say, when many times, he DISPUTES what they have to say right after they say it, or makes a face. The person isn't really getting the last word, O'Reilly does.

Bill just does it to save face. As a way to answer critics who say, "You never let people talk". He can turn around and say, I give them the last word on every show. Right....

 


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In individual circumstances, there have been any number of divergent moralities that condone cannibalism, and in some cases expect murder as a right of passage into manhood. The only exception is killing of people within your own society regularly, but this makes sense--any society to condone or support such an idea would wipe itself out pretty quickly 🙂
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True.
 


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In individual circumstances, there have been any number of divergent moralities that condone cannibalism, and in some cases expect murder as a right of passage into manhood. The only exception is killing of people within your own society regularly, but this makes sense--any society to condone or support such an idea would wipe itself out pretty quickly 🙂
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True. >>



well i think it's possible, but you could also say that it's not a result of western civilization per se, but of civilization in general.
 


<< i wanted to post this on the other thread but then it is the same. O Rielly got creamed by Baldwin that day. You should have seen the look on O'Rielly's face.His face became small and looked like BS becos he was on the receiving end. >>



Look buddy if you are going to make that Moronic statement, go back to that thread and debate what I wrote about it. I went point for point through that entire transcript and I challenge you to debate me in there. But for here, leave that debate in that thread.
 
you have an idea of what's right and what's wrong because you're a part of [remove]western [/remove] culture, which indoctrinates you with morality.

learn to expand your views.
 
ok..it's kinda hard to tell how much someone gets 'owned' by transcripts and such...is there any way that the Baldwin interview and the one discussed in this thread are in any type of online video (streaming or otherwise)?

Thanks!
 


<< Damn we need to get rid of those 10 commandment things. Next thing you know someone is going to get the crazy idea that maybe law should be based on some of them. 😛😛😛 >>



If you remove the first four, you'll remove the establishment violation.



<< 1. I am the Lord your God , you shall have no other gods before me.
2. You shall not make for yourself any graven images, and worship them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain
4. Remember to keep the sabbath day holy. You shall do no work, for the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it. >>

 
On the question of morality:

If one's only reason for being moral is a fear of an unseen god or gods, I'm very wary of them.
 


<< On the question of morality:

If one's only reason for being moral is a fear of an unseen god or gods, I'm very wary of them. >>



I agree. To quote Einstein:

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would
indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment
and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
 
you have an idea of what's right and what's wrong because you're a part of [remove]western [/remove] culture, which indoctrinates you with morality.

learn to expand your views.

Learn to read without predetermined answers and learn to qualify your arguments beyond a couple words about "expanding your views." I didn't say that "what's right and wrong" is inherently right or wrong; i said that morality is determined by culture. Should I expand my views to say that western culture is the only culture with real morality or something? I don't get it.
 
wow, this if the first time I've seen this guy (I dont get fox news), but he comes across as an asshole.

His argument was definately something I'd expect from some troll in these forums and not from a news anchor.


If he considers the Ten Commandments to be a historical document, then would he consider the Bible a historical one and would he advocate teaching the bible in school?
 


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<< Damn we need to get rid of those 10 commandment things. Next thing you know someone is going to get the crazy idea that maybe law should be based on some of them. 😛😛😛 >>



If you remove the first four, you'll remove the establishment violation.



<< 1. I am the Lord your God , you shall have no other gods before me.
2. You shall not make for yourself any graven images, and worship them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain
4. Remember to keep the sabbath day holy. You shall do no work, for the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it. >>

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True, I wouldn't mind it being posted (as much if it was all 10 of them) in a government building. What I still have partly a problem with is that it still is from a religious document. Just as if someone wants to post part of the Koran, even though it might not talk about Muhammad, but it still is the values and point of view of that religion. On another note, I am getting very scared now since I am starting to agree more and more with you. 😀
 
If these people want to hang moral edicts in public places why do they insist on using the 10 coms? Can't they write their own which aren't mired in religous dogma? Creating high standards of ethics for society does not demand citing inflammatory religous documents. This ultimately betrays the cause these people claim to be supporting, which can only led one to conclude that this is not their real intent after all.

Why not just hang a sign that says "Do unto others....(etc)" This pretty much sums up the point of the 10 coms and other edicts like it without invoking any particular religion.

Ever see that George Carlin bit where he takes the 10 coms, throws half out as they are redundant, combines the other half into 2 commandments, then rewrites these to state their overriding sentiment into one clear and concise commandment? Basically says the above, the trusty golden rule. Is that so hard, why pull out all this Xian theology/mythology BS?



<< Let me ask everyone this question. What religion does the Ten Commandments impose? Judaism? Moses got the tablets. Christianity? Islam? Which one? The answer is, none of the above.The Ten Commandments is a historical document written, pardon the pun, in stone. >>



Statements like these prove that O'Reilly is an idiot. Yes, like the Magna Carta is claimed to be written with lightning bolts sent by God, given to a guy on a mountaintop, who supposedly lived ~700+ years. Uh huh, exactly equivalent.
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He employs sophistry and ignorance to make his arguements, anyone with half a brain should be able to see through them.
 
Yeah, O'Reily got it wrong. Buddhists don't even believe in God, so the "I am the Lord thy God" thingie wouldn't apply to them.
 
Yep, O'Reilly is WAY off base here. The Ten Cs ARE a religious document establishing one religion over another (It doesn't matter that two spin off religions claim them as well). There is no way around this.

Which spin-offs are you talking about?
 
I don't see what is so wrong about displaying the 10 Commandments. If you are offended, then don't pay any attention to it. There was this one school who had to take off the announcement that said, "God Bless America," because it offended some asshole.
-- mrcodedude
 


<< I don't see what is so wrong about displaying the 10 Commandments. If you are offended, then don't pay any attention to it. There was this one school who had to take off the announcement that said, "God Bless America," because it offended some asshole.
-- mrcodedude >>




And if I decide to put a 50foot poster of a hardcore porn picture, can I just say "ignore it if it bothers you" to all the people out there? Hell no.


Putting up those things would:
a) go against the constitution
b) offend some people



 
11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the

earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the

seventh day..."

-> lol - yeah O'Reilly that's really just a generic statement that applies to all religions. what a moron.

God with this viewpoint he must have really embarassed his fellow conservatives (i'm sure few would attempt to say he's even a moderate after a stupid tirade like this). Though I'm sure the more thoughtful and intelligent conservative journalists are embarassed by him and Rush on a daily basis.

It's amazing how he sticks with an argument even though it's clearly moronic. Partially stupid, partially committed to being consistent to the point of idiocy I guess.




<< anyone with half a brain should be able to see through them. >>




i think you nailed it down. you'd need at least half a brain to see through him, which explains his more ardent fans very well. He speaks to the brainless and creates an aura of intelligence the dimwitted can't see through and enjoy basking in. 😉
 
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