Tell Us Something We Didn't Know: XBO/Kinect designed with ad spam in mind

[purbeast0]

Also all of the ads Sony runs is for services they offer. Whether it be new movies, games, info etc. When you look at ads on Xbox live you see stuff for UFC ppv and content that is not handled by ms. It is a small difference that is immediately apparent to me.



Those are what you call targeted advertisements. It isn't like you see a preview for the next slasher flick before watching the latest Pixar film. The ads are targeted to the audience who will be there to view them. Same thing should happen on xbl. If I never play sports games and never watch any TV stuff on my 360 why do they have to tell me about the next UFC fight or some mlb channel?


Don't be so sensitive to criticism of xbl either. It isn't perfect by any means and it is natural for people to express their displeasure of one aspect or another.

please show me where i got "so sensitive to criticism of xbl" i'm struggling to see it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Also all of the ads Sony runs is for services they offer. Whether it be new movies, games, info etc. When you look at ads on Xbox live you see stuff for UFC ppv and content that is not handled by ms. It is a small difference that is immediately apparent to me.

Yea that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Non-related. I mean, when I go to Steam, I expect to see ads for games because that's what it is. I do not expect to see ads for the newest anal itch medication.

I think I'm more concerned about MS talking about putting built in advertising into an OS. We already get enough of that in browsers, we really do not need it built into an OS that they've never been able to secure. For example, one well placed virus ad in the kernel of the OS and boom. Yea...not pretty.

 

[purbeast0]

Yea that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Non-related. I mean, when I go to Steam, I expect to see ads for games because that's what it is. I do not expect to see ads for the newest anal itch medication.

I think I'm more concerned about MS talking about putting built in advertising into an OS. We already get enough of that in browsers, we really do not need it built into an OS that they've never been able to secure. For example, one well placed virus ad in the kernel of the OS and boom. Yea...not pretty.

but it is related, since microsoft is partners with ufc and has special ufc things for xbl members.

does steam have a partnership with the anal itch medication company and offer special benefits for you if you are a steam member?

 

[hans030390]

please show me where i got "so sensitive to criticism of xbl" i'm struggling to see it.

I've seen it over the past few years in XBL-related topics. You can get a bit defensive about XBL.

 

[purbeast0]

I've seen it over the past few years in XBL-related topics. You can get a bit defensive about XBL.

the only time i would get defensive about it is if someone isn't speaking the truth about it. if someone doesn't like it i don't care at all. it definitely has it's pros and cons.

but that is besides the point, he quoted me talking about movies telling me that i'm getting super sensitive. i just want to see where he thinks i was acting super sensitive. but i'm 99% sure it's just him hanging off my dick as usual.

i'm not sure how he stating that the ads don't bother me and claiming they aren't bombarding me in the face means im being so super sensitive about it.

 

[smackababy]

I think I'm more concerned about MS talking about putting built in advertising into an OS. We already get enough of that in browsers, we really do not need it built into an OS that they've never been able to secure. For example, one well placed virus ad in the kernel of the OS and boom. Yea...not pretty.

Let's be realistic here. If the ads are nothing more than a picture / link, the only "virus" would be an add with a link directing you to a malware infested site. They would have to gain access to whatever database MS is pulling these ads from and change it there. If the ads ran some kind of code, it would either have to be built into the OS or on a server. Now, a hacker would have to gain either access to the source code of the OS (which isn't happening) or gain access to the server which the ad program is running. They would then have to change it without anyone noticing.

Now, let's take into account the rest of your statement which assumes the ad layer will have kernel access (which it won't) and that scenario is very unrealistic.

As far as purbeast being sensitive about XBL, I love all the people chiming in about it. "purbeast you're so sensitive about XBL; I go into every thread about MS and post nonsense and you defend them!"

 

[ImpulsE69]

Let's be realistic here. If the ads are nothing more than a picture / link, the only "virus" would be an add with a link directing you to a malware infested site. They would have to gain access to whatever database MS is pulling these ads from and change it there. If the ads ran some kind of code, it would either have to be built into the OS or on a server. Now, a hacker would have to gain either access to the source code of the OS (which isn't happening) or gain access to the server which the ad program is running. They would then have to change it without anyone noticing.

Now, let's take into account the rest of your statement which assumes the ad layer will have kernel access (which it won't) and that scenario is very unrealistic.

LMAO @ your blind devotion. Because bad things never happen and people never do things they shouldn't and holy gee NO one can crack computer code. Sigh. It's more likely all those things WOULD happen, than not happen. Only way it won't happen is if MS loses it's foothold on the market. You use computers right? I am really beginning to think a few of you live in your own closed off world away from everyone.

 

[American Gunner]

I do not expect you two to understand as you are very obviously (from the many threads) glutton for punishment and eat up everything a company throws at you and are very much the lowest common denominator that is so absorbed in getting your product that you put up with anything just to get your fix which, if you keep accepting will be smaller and smaller and have many more hoops to jump through just to get to that 5 minute slice of what you actually wanted.

How am I a glutton for punishment? I think you are thinking of the wrong person since I own both consoles and don't blindly love everything MS does.

 

[smackababy]

LMAO @ your blind devotion. Because bad things never happen and people never do things they shouldn't and holy gee NO one can crack computer code. Sigh. It's more likely all those things WOULD happen, than not happen. Only way it won't happen is if MS loses it's foothold on the market. You use computers right? I am really beginning to think a few of you live in your own closed off world away from everyone.

Oh, you're right. It is so easy to hack! We know this because Windows Update is filled with viruses... Again, your think that somehow, an integrated part of the OS is going to be hacked... If they could get low level code into the system, why bother with the ad service?

So please, when MS gets hacked by a SQL injection like the morons at Sony, I might believe they have the ability to have their source code compromised.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Oh, you're right. It is so easy to hack! We know this because Windows Update is filled with viruses... Again, your think that somehow, an integrated part of the OS is going to be hacked... If they could get low level code into the system, why bother with the ad service?

So please, when MS gets hacked by a SQL injection like the morons at Sony, I might believe they have the ability to have their source code compromised.

All it takes is the right person/persons wanting to do it, and it will happen. Thinking otherwise is just being blind.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yea that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Non-related. I mean, when I go to Steam, I expect to see ads for games because that's what it is. I do not expect to see ads for the newest anal itch medication.

I think I'm more concerned about MS talking about putting built in advertising into an OS. We already get enough of that in browsers, we really do not need it built into an OS that they've never been able to secure. For example, one well placed virus ad in the kernel of the OS and boom. Yea...not pretty.

If the OS is 100% free and paid for by ad partners then fine. If we have to pay for it...ugh

Purebeast, as it relates to you. It's nothing personal but when you post something along the lines of "I don't care, I just ignore the ads" that's fine. Then there is another post that says "yeah I agree, I don't think it's that bad." That is also fine. What I think is a little bit overboard is responding to the post that agreed with you with the following which IMO is unnecessary. We have our disagreements. This is one of them. I'm just saying in general some people are defensive to the point they think anyone with any type of criticism is an idiot, or a whiner, or just wanted to bitch on the internet. I am just saying that it's ok to disagree and dislike something, and nobody needs to make it so personal and get crazy lol.

yeah, i wonder if these people bitch about being forced to watch previews before the movie they paid to see in the theater starts. i mean THAT is in your face, because there is no way around it other than sitting through it.

 

[purbeast0]

All it takes is the right person/persons wanting to do it, and it will happen. Thinking otherwise is just being blind.

between this thread and the "what console is for me next-gen" you sure are preaching a lot of your own personal assumptions/guesses/opinions as the gospel.

 

[smackababy]

All it takes is the right person/persons wanting to do it, and it will happen. Thinking otherwise is just being blind.

Sure, if some employ became disgruntled with MS and put in a virus in the Windows source code, it could happen. Is it likely? Extremely not. It is more likely that a meteor will land on my house. Especially when it comes to the rumored ad service. You claim a kernel accessing exploit is likely, but you have no idea how the service will run or even be coded.

If your intention was to suggest that it would be possible for the right person to sabotage the entire Windows ecosystem from within, then I guess you're right. But, since I don't live with a tinfoil hat on, I choose to ignore fringe scenarios that don't occur outside of a John Grisham novel; a place called reality.

 

[ImpulsE69]

between this thread and the "what console is for me next-gen" you sure are preaching a lot of your own personal assumptions/guesses/opinions as the gospel.

No No, all they are is opinions. I do not mean to infer otherwise. It's all just speculation at this point, but in my own defense, I tend to be right when assuming the worst of people I'm just basing the process off trends and changes in the market. One of the big 3 is going to go down this time. One would assume it's going to be Nintendo, but I wouldn't count them out just yet.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Sure, if some employ became disgruntled with MS and put in a virus in the Windows source code, it could happen. Is it likely? Extremely not. It is more likely that a meteor will land on my house. Especially when it comes to the rumored ad service. You claim a kernel accessing exploit is likely, but you have no idea how the service will run or even be coded.

If your intention was to suggest that it would be possible for the right person to sabotage the entire Windows ecosystem from within, then I guess you're right. But, since I don't live with a tinfoil hat on, I choose to ignore fringe scenarios that don't occur outside of a John Grisham novel; a place called reality.

So your rebuttal is to twist a statement you find unlikely to mean that nothing bad can ever happen in the overall scenario? Sure, maybe THAT is unlikely. Just like Sony's getting hacked was unlikely. Or it is unlikely that the NSA is spying on people or companies are freely giving info to the government. I mean, none of that is likely right? *Puts on tinfoil hat*.

Wake up.

 

[purbeast0]

If the OS is 100% free and paid for by ad partners then fine. If we have to pay for it...ugh

Purebeast, as it relates to you. It's nothing personal but when you post something along the lines of "I don't care, I just ignore the ads" that's fine. Then there is another post that says "yeah I agree, I don't think it's that bad." That is also fine. What I think is a little bit overboard is responding to the post that agreed with you with the following which IMO is unnecessary. We have our disagreements. This is one of them. I'm just saying in general some people are defensive to the point they think anyone with any type of criticism is an idiot, or a whiner, or just wanted to bitch on the internet. I am just saying that it's ok to disagree and dislike something, and nobody needs to make it so personal and get crazy lol.

so now that you have rambled about nothing, could you please point out where i was being hyper sensitive about criticism of xbl?

 

[purbeast0]

No No, all they are is opinions. I do not mean to infer otherwise. It's all just speculation at this point, but in my own defense, I tend to be right when assuming the worst of people I'm just basing the process off trends and changes in the market. One of the big 3 is going to go down this time. One would assume it's going to be Nintendo, but I wouldn't count them out just yet.

sure doesn't come off that way, when you are stating that people who disagree with you are blind, or that their opinion is "highly unlikely".

just calling it as i sees it!

 

[ImpulsE69]

sure doesn't come off that way, when you are stating that people who disagree with you are blind, or that their opinion is "highly unlikely".

just calling it as i sees it!

I'm passionate

Much like you saying "fanboy/haters" every other post in response to to posts that clearly were neither.

 

[cmdrdredd]

so now that you have rambled about nothing, could you please point out where i was being hyper sensitive about criticism of xbl?

I just posted the quote. go back and re-read if you're that upset about it.

You had no reason to respond "yeah man people must bitch about movie previews too lol" which is exactly what you did.

 

[purbeast0]

I just posted the quote. go back and re-read if you're that upset about it.

You had no reason to respond "yeah man people must bitch about movie previews too lol" which is exactly what you did.

im not upset about anything, just wondering why you are making false claims about me.

i don't need your approval as to what the reason is i posted something.

now if you can't make the comparison between paying to see a movie in the theater and being forced to watch advertisements for other movies, and how it compares to turning on your xbox360 and seeing ads that relate to xbox live, then i can go into some more detail for you if you would like. i thought it was pretty obvious though.

 

[smackababy]

So your rebuttal is to twist a statement you find unlikely to mean that nothing bad can ever happen in the overall scenario? Sure, maybe THAT is unlikely. Just like Sony's getting hacked was unlikely. Or it is unlikely that the NSA is spying on people or companies are freely giving info to the government. I mean, none of that is likely right? *Puts on tinfoil hat*.

Wake up.

You said "I think I'm more concerned about MS talking about putting built in advertising into an OS. We already get enough of that in browsers, we really do not need it built into an OS that they've never been able to secure. For example, one well placed virus ad in the kernel of the OS and boom. Yea...not pretty." And now you are saying I am twisting your statement? You are making a huge, extremely unlikely, assumption about a service that does not exist. And then defending it!

And yes, it is still highly unlikely the NSA is actually monitoring any of the data they are collecting. Do you have any idea the amount of data that would be? Do you have any idea how long it would take to aggregate through it to search for the word "bomb"? Do you actually have any idea what was happening other than what Snowden said? Do you think even he understood it?

But you're right, I need to wake up! I am the one not living in reality, where one guy can bring down the entire PC ecosystem with a program he wrote in 15 minutes...

 

[purbeast0]

I'm passionate

Much like you saying "fanboy/haters" every other post in response to to posts that clearly were neither.

search for how many posts i have in this thread. then search for the word "fanboy" and "hater" and you will see that only your post shows up, and anubis' link.

404 - every other post not found!

 

[cmdrdredd]

im not upset about anything, just wondering why you are making false claims about me.

i don't need your approval as to what the reason is i posted something.

now if you can't make the comparison between paying to see a movie in the theater and being forced to watch advertisements for other movies, and how it compares to turning on your xbox360 and seeing ads that relate to xbox live, then i can go into some more detail for you if you would like. i thought it was pretty obvious though.

Cause UFC is unrelated to gaming. I only play games on it. If they would tell me about new games on XBLA and new games coming soon etc that'd be fine. Even if it was movie ads that I could rent from XBL, like PSN has. I do not need to be told to "buy UFC PPV now!" on the front page.

 

[purbeast0]

Cause UFC is unrelated to gaming. I only play games on it. If they would tell me about nre games on XBLA and new games coming soon etc that'd be fine. Even if it was movie ads that I could rent from XBL, like PSN has. I do not need to be told to "buy UFC PPV now!" on the front page.

streaming movies on netflix on 360 is unrelated to gaming.

using amazon prime on 360 is unrelated to gaming.

using the espn thing on 360 is unrelated to gaming.

but guess what? all of that is related to xbox360 and xbox live, just as UFC is as well.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/partners/ufc

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah but I should not have to see them on the front page when I turn on a gaming console while all the games I have are almost hidden.