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Intel vs. AMD - Point taken, and thank you very much for making your point clear - I don't want to think something hasnt been considered.. but I still think im gonna stay on Intel for the time being... if I find i have made a REAL mistake in the future, and its really worth it, i can sell the proc/mobo combo and swap out for AMD (or even a newer intel by then 😛).

Will totally consider points on RAID, but nonetheless, I own the raptors already.. and ive been running a 2xRaid0 for some time now.. i think i'll leave it as it is for the time being.. but when it comes to the future, I will think VERY hard before doing anything severe like greater RAID/SCSI.. For now I think I have my answers on pretty much everything.. I just need to decide on a specific processor.

/me is off to take the missus out for now, cheers guys.. hope to have something to read later 🙂
 
A recent P4 vs X2 comparison:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2484&p=1

This is focused on

Intel 830 3ghz $320

vs

AMD X2 3800+ $347

Prices are a little off, but more than fair when you take into account costs of motherboard and ram I think.

I'm acutally not sure how much a decent P4 board would cost for that 830, but you can get a very solid A64 board for about $100.

You can get 2 gigs of ram for and X2 for $250 or less.
 
Intel vs. AMD - Point taken, and thank you very much for making your point clear - I don't want to think something hasnt been considered.. but I still think im gonna stay on Intel for the time being
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That's fair enough, and many people do it. As long as you are aware that you're paying more and getting less, then it's your money. You were fairly warned. 🙂

Will totally consider points on RAID, but nonetheless, I own the raptors already.. and ive been running a 2xRaid0 for some time now.. i think i'll leave it as it is for the time being
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If you already have it, might as well keep it, but I wouldn't buy any more Raptors. Just add large 7200RPM drives for data storage.
 
Yeah, an X2 would totally kill an HT P4 or a PD. I run ~18 systray icons on my single 3200+ Venice overclocked to 2.5ghz, and everything runs smooth as butter. I can run Starcraft and Counter Strike: Source at the same time, along with Winamp, Trillian, Zonealarm, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Just get a 3800+ X2. PD's are for those who want a really cheap dual core solution (820). If you can afford a 3800+ X2, it'll rape any comparably priced PD system.
 
If you want a multi tasking machine, I would highly recommened a A64 X2 dual core over a P4 D dual core. This is because the P4 version of the dual core was a hastily designed-CPU which is essentially 2 single core CPUs on one die connected w/ the FSB while the A64 X2 was designed as a dual core from scratch.

For multitasking, to my knowledge:
A64 X2 > P4 D > P4 single core > A64 Single core

Intel are coming out with a huge lineup of new dual core chips next year (Pentium M Dual Core Jan 2006) while AMD appear to be doing only minor upgrades on their own chips. However, as of right now, the P4 D is not a good choice at all. It's going to be and exciting year in 2006, but as of now, AMD takes the crown for bang for the buck.

And stay away from P4, if you really want an Intel, it's better for you to get a P-M based desktop.
 
X2 3800+ is perfect for you.

I know you are more comfortable with an Intel CPU, but you really should get a dual-core processor based on what you are doing, & unfortunately, Intel's Pentium Ds are a horribly inefficient design, which leaves the X2s, which are very good 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Hough NutZ

You'll get laid more if you go AMD!

Just thought I'd let you know.
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I must remember to tell my missus that 😛

I am quite disappointed in the reality of RAID and to be honest now do wish that I had bought Raptor IIs raid or no raid. But hanyways, it's still faster than I'm running off now (which is still pretty tidy). But thanks to the advice here, when I DO upgrade the disks, I may not raid.

Given just HOW severe everyone is about suggesting AMD, I am gonna go take a look at costs etc. Let's see what happens
 
Ok.. I have looked at everything there is to look at and .. comparing the two on everything from cost (intel) to speed (amd) to compatability/stability to personal experience with each mfr to whatever.. I'm going for Pentium D 840.

Hokay so here's where I am now:

Pentium D 830 or 840 (Still not sure if 840 would be worth the extra cost)
Asus P5WD2 Premium WiFi-TV Edition
Corsair 2x1GB TWIN2X2048-6400 Memory
Twin 36GB Raptor Type Is for RAID0 (Only because they are right here right now)
Sapphire ATI X1800XT

Back to question 1 😛

PS. Any ideas on relative worth of 830 vs 840?


 
Originally posted by: Zordrak
Ok.. I have looked at everything there is to look at and .. comparing the two on everything from cost (intel) to speed (amd) to compatability/stability to personal experience with each mfr to whatever.. I'm going for Pentium D 840.

Hokay so here's where I am now:

Pentium D 830 or 840 (Still not sure if 840 would be worth the extra cost)
Asus P5WD2 Premium WiFi-TV Edition
Corsair 2x1GB TWIN2X2048-6400 Memory
Twin 36GB Raptor Type Is for RAID0 (Only because they are right here right now)
Sapphire ATI X1800XT

Back to question 1 😛

PS. Any ideas on relative worth of 830 vs 840?
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Look at benchmarks and decide.
 
lol.. still not gonna happen.. ive wrangled with it for hours.. and its gonna be 830 or 840 dependant upon the VDM.. looking at them now.

One thing of concern it PCSTATS adamant declearation that for PentiumD you really "need" min 1GHz+ RAM, which would call into question my buying PC2-6400 .. and also sucks that corsair dont seem to DO twin2GB 8000 yet
 
Originally posted by: Zordrak
lol.. still not gonna happen.. ive wrangled with it for hours.. and its gonna be 830 or 840 dependant upon the VDM.. looking at them now.

One thing of concern it PCSTATS adamant declearation that for PentiumD you really "need" min 1GHz+ RAM, which would call into question my buying PC2-6400 .. and also sucks that corsair dont seem to DO twin2GB 8000 yet
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*looks at price of pc8000 at newegg*

are you nuts?

What ram are you thinking of getting?

 
What do you mean? Not clear.

Was planning on getting Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 which is a matched pair of two 1GB DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) - 800MHz sticks.

PCSTATS *suggests* that running less than PC2-8000/DDR2-1000 (1000MHz) is gonna hit you performance-wise, and if so I would have wanted to still get 2GB Corsair, but 1000Mhz
 
Originally posted by: Zordrak
What do you mean? Not clear.

Was planning on getting Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 which is a matched pair of two 1GB DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) - 800MHz sticks.

PCSTATS *suggests* that running less than PC2-8000/DDR2-1000 (1000MHz) is gonna hit you performance-wise, and if so I would have wanted to still get 2GB Corsair, but 1000Mhz
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My meaning:

I don't know if there are better prices out there, but the only 2x1gb offering at newegg of pc2-8000 is $800.

That is nuts.

$530 840 processor + $800 ram = $1330

vs

$880 X2 4800+ proc + $250 ram = $1130

How could you not pick the cheaper faster AMD combo?

 
I really appreciate you trying to help.. but I AM getting P4.

My main problems are that I cant find any benchmarks that rate 830 vs 840 (oh no, maybe I have), and I dont know to what degree PCSTATS claim stands
 
Originally posted by: Zordrak
I really appreciate you trying to help.. but I AM getting P4.

My main problems are that I cant find any benchmarks that rate 830 vs 840 (oh no, maybe I have), and I dont know to what degree PCSTATS claim stands
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Just please don't get $800 of ram that might not be worth anything a couple years down the road.
 
I still don't understand why you're so set on going with a Intel system.

As you can see in the replies in this thread, most people on this forum understand that at THIS specific point in time Athlon64 is clearly the product of choice as of right now.


 
I dont plan to to be honest.. it just seemed concerning that PCSTATS suddenly made an all-encompassing statement that you shouldnt use a pD with the anything less than MORE THAN the 955X boards are rated for as standard...

I still cant find 830 vs 840 benchmarks, and THAT is what is concerning me right now, I just can tell if the 840 is worth it
 
Originally posted by: Hough NutZ
I still don't understand why you're so set on going with a Intel system.

As you can see in the replies in this thread, most people on this forum understand that at THIS specific point in time Athlon64 is clearly the product of choice as of right now.
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IF you care about absolute overall blistering speeds. Having considered EVERY option, the Intel is what I'm after and I'm now just at the stage where I'm trying to decide if the 840 is worth it over the 830 as I'm not so bothered about blistering clock speeds, but obviously if theres a LOT more in the 840 it could still be worth it. I'm only going up to 8x0 from 6x0 because of the bottleneck it would make as so well pointed out earlier.
 
Wtf OP, why are you stubborn about this? An X2 is obviously the much better choice. It's like picking a Camry over a Ferrari if they both cost the same... Ironic how in your first post you knew you would be doing things wrong, and yet you won't change the thing that's most wrong...
 
What I was asking was compatibility (ie the bottleneck issue, and the PCSTATS issue). I wasnt looking for people to be overzealous about buying AMD. The prices are still too high on AMD. The technology is still too untested (new slightly faster arch vs old tested slightly slower arch x 2). Both I and a friend of mine have had too much personal hell with AMD and none whatsoever with intel.. i could go on...
 
How is the AMD any more expensive than these P4 options you're considering?

When are your AMD experiences based off of?
 
Wtf are you talking about. AMD products are just as reliable as Intel products... Maybe when AMD just started out, but currently, their products own the desktop market. $320 830 vs $347 3800+. The 3800+ is the clear winner here. It beats the 820, 830, and 840. Plus, you'll be spending a ton of money on the DDR2 RAM and LGA775 motherboard, whereas a Socket 939 motherboard and some PC3200 RAM would be much cheaper. I mean, it only makes logical sense to by better products right? So why would you insist on something crappier?
 
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